
Medical marijuana: More questions than answers

Saturday May 30, 2009, 9:57 PM
by Brian McVicar | The Muskegon Chronicle
Dan Higgins heaved a sigh of relief last November when he learned Michigan residents voted to legalize medical marijuana.
The new law meant the disabled U.S. Army veteran wouldn't have to smoke marijuana, which he uses to treat severe nausea and back pain, in secret.
"It's about compassion," said Higgins, a 34-year-old Grand Haven resident who suffers from severe nausea caused by the high-powered pain killers he uses to treat his injured back.
However, the celebration was short-lived.
Nearly two months after Michigan's medical marijuana law -- which voters approved in last November's presidential election -- went into effect, both patients and law enforcement officials say they have more questions than answers.
What constitutes an "enclosed, locked" marijuana grow facility? How does a patient who's to sick to grow marijuana find the substance? Is a patient who has received a doctor's note but not a state identification card breaking the law by using medical marijuana?
Clear answers don't appear to be coming anytime soon.
"We are simply in the state of confusion, and everyone is searching for some propper guidelines," said James Houston, a criminal justice professor at Grand Valley State University.
Passing the buck
As a registered user and caregiver who legally can grow up to 60 marijuana plants for five registered patients, Higgins has a lot of questions.
He wants to know how secure his marijuana garden needs to be so he can be in compliance with the Michigan Medical Marijuana Act. Both state officials and local law enforcement have been unwilling to give him an answer, saying they also don't know.
The act says marijuana must be grown in a "closet, room, or other enclosed area equipped with locks or other security devices." Those who violate the rule are subject to legal action.
It's a definition Higgins says is too vague.
"I feel like I'm being set up for failure," he said.
He's not alone.
Greg Francisco, executive director of the Michigan Medical Marijuana Association, says he's heard similar complaints from other medical marijuana users.
They range from how medical marijuana users find seeds to grow the plants, what constitutes a secure grow area, and how medical marijuana users who don't want to grow their own find the substance, he said.
"We would like some clear guidelines," Francisco said.
State offers little guidance
Don't turn to the state for direction, said James McCurtis, spokesman for the Michigan Department of Community Health, the state agency charged with implementing the Michigan Medical Marijuana Act.
He said the department has a narrow set of duties, mostly limited to reviewing applications submitted by patients or caregivers who wish to use medical marijuana. Beyond that, it's up to the courts, not the state, to clarify the law, he said.
To use medical marijuana, patients must submit an application to the department of Community Health showing they have a debilitating medical condition -- such as cancer, Aids, severe nausea or chronic back pain -- and a physician certifying that medical marijuana may help treat the condition.
After the state certifies patients, they receive a state-issued identification card showing they are legally using medical marijuana.
"A lot of these things are going to end up in the legal system because there is some confusion," McCurtis said, referring to issues such as whether it's illegal for patients to grow marijuana before they have their identification card in hand.
He urges patients and caregivers with questions about the new marijuana law to contact their attorney or the Michigan Medical Marijuana Association.
It's a road that has led Higgins nowhere.
He says he's contacted numerous organizations, including the Ottawa County Sheriff's Office, his state senator, the Michigan Attorney General's office and still hasn't received any direction on how to interpret the law.
"I'm seeking clarification and nobody will give it to me," Higgins said.
Law enforcement confused, too
Patients aren't the only ones complaining about the medical marijuana law. It's drawn heavy criticism from law enforcement officials, too.
Muskegon County Sheriff Dean Roesler said the law is poorly written, leaving police to sort through many gray areas.
"In terms of giving law enforcement guidance, it's a poorly written-out proposition," he said.
He points to the area covering how secure a marijuana garden must be and confusion over whether deputies must care for medical marijuana plants they seize.
"That's going to be subject to interpretation at this point," Roesler said. "It's trial and error at this point."
Lt. Mark Bennett of the Ottawa County Sheriff's Department said deputies will consult with the prosecutor's office when working through thorny legal issues such as whether medical marijuana patients are receiving the substance in a legal manor.
There's "more legal ambiguities than most laws," he said. "There are some areas that will take legal cases to decide."
Issues patients and law enforcement officials are wadding through likely won't become clear until several cases move through the legal system.
There's been no shortage of legal and legislative tussles since the law went into effect last April.
One of the most high-profile cases is taking place in Madison Heights, a Detroit suburb where a couple is facing charges of illegally growing 21 marijuana plants.
While the couple had doctors' notes allowing them to use marijuana for medical purposes, they lacked state identification cards saying they could use the substance. At issue is whether medical marijuana patients were prohibited from growing the substance until the state implemented the identification system in April or after voters passed the law in November.
Other pending cases include a Shiawassee County man who was arrested earlier this month for growing marijuana in an unsecured area outside his home, a violation of the Michigan Medical Marijuana Act. Police and prosecutors say the man faces one count of manufacturing marijuana, according to news reports.
Add to that numerous city and townships ordinances that would prohibit marijuana from being grown in residential areas, and you have the potential for a confusing set of laws, said Francisco, of the Michigan Medical Marijuana Association.
Bills have also been introduced in the state legislature, including one by state Sen. Gerald Van Woerkom, R-Norton Shores, that would prohibit patients from growing medical marijuana. Instead, the substance would be distributed by pharmacists with a doctor's prescription, an act that's currently illegal under federal law.
"We're ending up with a hodgepodge of policies," he said, adding many of the proposed regulations will face court battles. "It's really been a failure by the state to put out guidelines."
In a related story....
Saturday May 30, 2009, 9:38 PM
by Brian McVicar | The Muskegon Chronicle
Users of medical marijuana defend its benefits
Anthony Jourden remembers the vomiting, the days spent lying in bed when he couldn't muster the energy to stay up.
Jourden's first week of chemotherapy was the stuff bad dreams are made of -- nausea, shaking, depression, a three-day stint with no food.
"I was real pale and sickly looking," said Jourden of Muskegon Township, who uses chemotherapy to treat a rare form of cancer that formed in his abdomen and resulted in small tumors forming on his liver.
If it wasn't for medical marijuana, Jourden, 29, doesn't want to imagine what condition he would be in today.
"Without it, I would be skin and bones," said Jourden, who has been undergoing chemotherapy since July 2008. "It kind of gave me a reason to get up in the morning to be honest with you."
Despite a few rough patches on a path to implementation, medical marijuana patients are still praising the law that gives them the right to use the substance in peace.
"We're very, very happy," said Greg Francisco, executive director of the Michigan Medical Marijuana Association, who has been pushing to legalize medical marijuana for about 10 years.
As of May 28, there were 1,188 Michigan residents who had received identification cards from the Michigan Department of Community Health certifying they legally could use medical marijuana, said James McCurtis, the department's spokesman.
Applications are pending for another 2,144 Michigan residents who want to use medical marijuana, he said. More than 280 applications have been denied.
Patients like Jourden praised the law. He says three daily doses of marijuana gives him energy, an appetite, and eases his severe nausea.
"I just got a big old appetite and started sleeping better," said Jourden, who started smoking medical marijuana shortly after beginning chemotherapy.
While medical marijuana has drawn praise from many, it still has plenty of critics.
The Michigan State Medical Society, an association of more than 15,000 Michigan physicians, opposed the proposal to legalize medical marijuana, said spokesman David Fox.
He says smoking is a health hazard, and there are no quality controls or regulations governing how much marijuana each patient should use.
"There's no way to regulate dosage," Fox said. "We're opposed to smoking in every other form and it didn't seem like a good idea."
Studies on the benefits of medical marijuana also remain hazy.
The U.S. Food and Drug Administration, for example, says smoking marijuana is harmful and other, more-effective medications exist.
Others, such as the Michigan Nurses Association, support the substance, saying it's an effective treatment for patients suffering from cancer, Aids, and other debilitating medical conditions.
"Nurses across Michigan who are on the front lines of health care recognize that seriously ill patients should not face the threat of arrest and jail for simply following the advice of their doctor," Michigan Nurses Association President Diane Goddeeris said in a statement.
Nurses point to a 1999 Institute of Medicine report that says "Nausea, appetite loss, pain and anxiety are all afflictions of wasting, and all can be mitigated by marijuana."
Terri Jourden, Anthony's mother, doesn't need studies to know medical marijuana works.
All she has to do is look at her son.
"If it wasn't for marijuana, I think he would be skinny as a rail," she said.

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PASSING THE BUCK??? AND PATIENTS ARE GOING TO JAIL...MAKES NO SINCE
First off this law is just
First off this law is just over six months old. It has to have some time to work...Mostly I see people making more of this than needs to be...Three things I want to add
We're patients
We're legal
Leave us the hell alone
big deal
People are making a bigger deal out of this than it needs to be. BUT it is a law, so it should be clear, which in some cases its not.
This law was poorly written
While I love the friends I have met through Compassion Club Meetings, (and I don't mean to piss off ANYONE), I just wish I had THE CHOICE of:
1.) Enlisting the aid of a caregiver
- OR -
2.) Going to my local strip mall and into the Tobacco Store to pick up my medicine.
Take care,
Mizerman
p.s. PeanutButter, please note that I don't call caregivers evil or scum...LMAO!
See!! There you go again!!
See!! There you go again!! (G)
Feeling better today .. adjusted the meds.
wait greg .... "Add to that
wait greg ....
"Add to that numerous city and townships ordinances that would prohibit marijuana from being grown in residential areas, and you have the potential for a confusing set of laws, said Francisco, of the Michigan Medical Marijuana Association."
this isn't right is it ? ? .. it's my understanding that this law trumps all laws prior to this law passing.
so city and township 'ordinances' are null for Med MJ.
right ?
and...
grrr...
"The Michigan State Medical Society, an association of more than 15,000 Michigan physicians, opposed the proposal to legalize medical marijuana, said spokesman David Fox."
we need a list of these 15,000 physicians so we can boycot them.
"He says smoking is a health hazard, and there are no quality controls or regulations governing how much marijuana each patient should use."
common sence .. you'll pass out long before ODing lol
and who said we HAVE to smoke it ?
xgi- "We're patients
We're legal
Leave us the hell alone"
amen.
The Right to Farm Act
The Right to Farm Act trumps local ordinance.
I hope I represented all of us.
I'm Dan Higgins and I did the best I could in the interview.....
Thank you Dan - you did great
Thank you Dan - you did great
So I guess calling them for answers is a bad idea.
I like these parts:
Don't turn to the state for direction, said James McCurtis, spokesman for the Michigan Department of Community Health, the state agency charged with implementing the Michigan Medical Marijuana Act.
He said the department has a narrow set of duties, mostly limited to reviewing applications submitted by patients or caregivers who wish to use medical marijuana. Beyond that, it's up to the courts, not the state, to clarify the law, he said.
He urges patients and caregivers with questions about the new marijuana law to contact their attorney or the Michigan Medical Marijuana Association.
Thanks Rochester Cares
I am going to start spending time in Lansing with a group of other members getting to know state reps and senators finding out who is with us and who is against us...building relationships. Hopefully we can get enough support that when the two year period is up we can get positive changes to the law ie outdoor grows, Legality of edibles,etc.
can get positive changes to the law ie outdoor grows, Legality o
"can get positive changes to the law ie outdoor grows, Legality of edibles,etc." How about we worry about getting more ailments added. then worry about growing outdoors, etc.
Your right
More ailments to....That's why I put ect. If I were to list all the changes needed I would be typing for a while!
Bad Press
I'll give Brian McVicar an "A" for effort but otherwise an "F" overall and that goes for his editor, too, for missing the grammatical errors; i.e, "How does a patient who's to sick to" and "- receiving the substance in a legal manor." - just for starters.
The message the media conveys is this: The MMJ law is a mess and therefore a mistake.
Well, thirteen States and
Well, thirteen States and counting and not one has rolled back any of their medical cannabis laws. We need some help from the State but the MDCH is not the place for help. They only regulate the cards and applications and keep stats on numbers of patients. They are not lawyers.
California has been legal since 1996 and they are still hashing out court battles.
LOL Police taking care of the plants that they seize! Maybe that is why LEO was at Oaksterdam. :) Ohhh, that is a good one.
The law
Proposal 1 is written in English, a very difficult language for English speaking people to understand. Without proper intrepetation English is almost impossible to decipher. Even highly educated people in place of authority, judges, legislators, LEO cannot be expected to understand the English language clearly. If you then throw in the fact that this law is completely impossible to understand on any level by anyone involved and this is what your going to get. Enclosed, secure facility? Perhaps something on the level of a nuclear proof bomb shelter? Who knows. Look at the government facilities for marijuana cultivation, perhaps this should be the guideline? We'll wait for the court to decide and take the collateral damage in the mean time. Perhaps in 5 or 10 yrs our questions will be answered.
Confusion reigns -- among press and anti-mj forces
We're seeing too many of these "nobody knows what's going on" stories about Michigan's new law. The press is filled with no-nothings and the police are always happy to sow confusion. The combination leaves many citizens wondering if the law is really working.
We need a press kit that explains basic concepts to reporters, and a quick reaction force when misinformation is spread.
Absolutely!
"We need a press kit that explains basic concepts to reporters, and a quick reaction force when misinformation is spread."
Bravo!
And the term "smoking Marijuana" should be banished. Smoke or smoking automatically defeats the message. Some patient may still in fact "burn" their meds but vaporizing and medibles are the preferred method for the safe consumption of medicinal MJ and that's one of the main messages that needs to be promulgated.
Good Morning
Sorry but this has nothing to do with the post but what I observed in Dans picture above. Noticed them white specs on his leaves and if I'm correct he needs to check for spidermites. I had a infestation with these critters that some call the borg and its not fun. Took 3 months to rid my house of the borg. I hope I'm not right but after dealing with them I kinda know what to look for and the white specs are one of the first signs. Sorry to have hijacked this post but all borg need to be eliminated ASAP. Don't be assimilated by the borg!!! lol
I thought mites also.
I thought mites also.
proplayer420
Your absolutly right! They are spider mites:( I am knocking them down but they are damn hard to get rid of! I have never had any infestation before but thanks to a dumbass friend I now have these little critters. The one nice thing is the top of the plants are clean so I have taken clones to restart new mamas. The old mamas are going outside. Thanks PB & Proplayer420.
thats right
one more reason to keep your grow safe from others that may being them it
If all else fails use
If all else fails use Floramite. Theres a guy that sells it by the ounce for 30.00 plus shipping on ebay. A gallon of it runs 275.00 but you only need a 1/4 tsp per gallon and only one treatment to kill them!!! So an oz is plenty . Good to use as a dipping solution for new plants that you bring into the house. I tried all the rest neem oil, pyrithium, lady bugs and preditor mites and floramite was the only sure thing. But it don't hurt to keep lady bugs in your grow room as a preventive measure.
Go to Meijer, Walmart, or
Go to Meijer, Walmart, or some place like that and pick up a couple of packs of Hotshot no pest strips (they cost about 6 or 7 dollars each) and hang them up in your room. Your mite problem will be gone within 2 weeks.