Dr Eden Wells And Flint's Poisoned Water

[t-pain]

going to try to follow what dr eden wells says , now that she is in charge of the flint water situation.

 

please submit any links that quote her talking about flint's lead-poisoned water.

 

http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2015/10/08/lax-water-system-oversight-manipulated-data-lead-to-public-health-crisis-in-flint-researcher-says/

 

Dr. Eden Wells, chief medical executive at the Department of Health and Human Services, told WWJ 950 every child who tested with an elevated level of lead in their blood will be checked by public health staff. “They go into the home, they check to see these potential sources, including water,” she said.

[t-pain]

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-risky-is-drinking-water-contaminated-with-lead/

 

Just how much lead people have been exposed to isn't clear yet, said Dr. Eden Wells, Chief Medical Executive for the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services.

 

"My understanding as of yesterday is that they don't have all of that mapped out yet -- that's part of the investigation. We on the health side have a lead testing program and since the 2014 Flint River water switch, we have seen about 100 children with lead levels greater than 5 micrograms per deciliter [in their blood]," said Wells.

 

Wells, who is also a clinical associate professor in epidemiology at the University of Michigan School of Public Health, said a level of zero is the ideal.

 

"Lead at any level can be associated with decreases in IQ, behavioral disorders, even an association with certain juvenile delinquency as these children get older," she said.

[t-pain]

http://www.miheadlines.com/2015/10/07/state-offering-extended-weekend-hours-for-water-filter-distribution-in-flint/

 

Dr. Eden Wells, MDHHS chief medical executive, reemphasized that the Brita SAFF-100 filters being distributed by the department and GCCARD do meet the NSF/ANSI 53 standards for drinking water treatment units.

 

“The Brita faucet filtration system that we are distributing to residents are National Sanitation Foundation certified to reduce lead in drinking water,” said Dr. Eden Wells. “When connected appropriately, these filters improve water quality by filtering out contaminates including lead, chlorine, benzene and other chemicals.”

[t-pain]

http://www.wnem.com/story/30207719/extended-hours-for-water-filter-giveaway

 

FLINT, MI (WNEM) -

 

A Brita spokesperson is hoping to put concerns to bed over free water filters being handed out in Flint.

 

This follows a video posted on social media. In the video, a woman who claims to be a representative for Brita says the filters, model number SAFF-100, do not reduce lead, despite packaging which might say otherwise.

 

looks like the video was talking about a different model filter...

 

http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2015/10/debunking_that_social_media_ru.html

 

The information given by "Camille" over the phone in the video is false, according to NSF, a Flint Journal phone call to Brita's customer service and a follow-up phone call to a Brita representative.

 

 

According to Brita's website, the pitcher and dispenser filters do not remove lead but the faucet filters do. The faucet filters are the ones being given out in Flint.

interesting.

 

 

http://www.wsmh.com/sections/newsroom/features/top-stories/stories/How-much-lead-do-the-free-Flint-water-filters-remove--215847.shtml

 

The filters are good for about 100 gallons of water on a faucet.

 

i think the average adult drinks about 7 gallons of water per month. so i guess 3 adults x 5 months would be 100 gal.

[t-pain]

kind of unrelated to flint, still about water and dr eden wells...

 

http://www.leaderpub.com/2015/10/07/niles-receives-water-quality-award/

 

CDC recommends water fluoridation as a safe, effective, and inexpensive method of preventing decay. In fact, every $1 invested in fluoridation saves at least $38 in costs for dental treatment, according to the CDC.

 

“Water fluoridation is one of the most effective means we have for preventing and controlling tooth decay throughout a person’s life,” said Dr. Eden Wells, dhief medical executive with the MDHHS. “In fact, our latest studies show that even in an environment where people have access to multiple sources of fluoride, such as fluoride toothpaste and professional dental treatments, fluoridation continues to prevent at least 25 percent of tooth decay in children and adults.”

[t-pain]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/10/06/lead-water-flint-michigan/73486840/

 

[Restorium2]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/10/06/lead-water-flint-michigan/73486840/

 

His attorneys told him: The State of Michigan is liable for all damages due to the new water source damaging the infrastructure, and all personal damage, due to the State emergency manager being in charge when the decision to change was made. 

[t-pain]

tim skubic asked schuette about the gov being on the hook for his EM causing flint water poisoning. ole schuette declined to pontificate on the legalities.

 

huh, i maybe using the word 'pontificate' incorrectly.

[GrowGoddess]

Thanks for the links and articles t-pain.

 

I already knew about this from other articles.

 

It is not just Flint. We are looking at water problems in the whole country. Just the infrastructure of the water is a serious problem for our nation. Most of the piping and equipment supplying water is from the 1800's and worn out. It will cost trillions to fix the problems across the country to provide clean, safe, drinkable water. Our government has failed us and sold us out. Cleaning and filtering the water is a double edge sward. Water is one of the main sources of minerals that our bodies need and filters remove them. This is why I invested in my own hand pump well for drinking water. This well is in the woods with no potential of contamination. I can get clean, safe drinking water and get the essential minerals I need. I don't trust my government anymore.

 

I went with a hand pump in the event of a power failure.

[AmishRnot4ganja]

Everybody needs fresh water. Fixing the government on this subject is worth doing. It sickens me that Republican fiscal policy has led to this.

 

 

Laying this problem squarely at the feet of the Republican controlled government purse strings is entirely appropriate.

 

What do we prefer? "Socialism" and clean water or "Supply side capitalism" and poison water? It's our choice.

[GrowGoddess]

Everybody needs fresh water. Fixing the government on this subject is worth doing. It sickens me that Republican fiscal policy has led to this.

 

It is all government, not just one single party to place blame on.

 

I am done with finger pointing to individual parties, with the exception of one, my middle finger to all of them. Our government as a whole has failed the people.

 

Obama and Bush are perfect examples. Each equally screwed our country and led us into the dumps. We are not getting out of it, it is game over. Do the math. Mathematically speaking, we are screwed.

 

The blame equally goes to both parties. I surely cannot imagine our country surviving Hilary Clinton. Not putting down the dems, just saying we are screwed. The finger pointing needs to be to all parties. Singling out one party is foolish. The government as a whole is corrupt, period.

 

Too much temptation, too much power, too much politics and political correctness. Anyone who gets sucked in is a victim, brainwashed.

 

This is my opinion and apologize if I have offended anyone. I am disgusted with the way our country has been run for the last 16 years, even longer.

[GrowGoddess]

Laying this problem squarely at the feet of the Republican controlled government purse strings is entirely appropriate.

 

What do we prefer? "Socialism" and clean water or "Supply side capitalism" and poison water? It's our choice.

 

I agree, but as long as the dems plan to take away firearms, we are the ones to be squashed.

 

We will get poison water whether we like it or not. If we lose our gun rights, count on poison water. think about it.

[trichcycler]

saving money=making money.

[Restorium2]

BACKGROUND

on April 19, 2013  GENESEE COUNTY, MI -- The city of Detroit has given notice that it's terminating a nearly 50-year-old contract for selling water to Flint and the county next year, but Drain Commissioner Jeff Wright says he doesn't think Detroit can turn off the area's supply of water so easily.

 

The three-paragraph notice from Detroit Water and Sewerage Department Director Sue F. McCormick does not say water sales would necessarily cease after April 17, 2014 -- only that the current arrangement would end.

 

"I have to believe that Flint had to know that this was the next step," said Bill Johnson, a consultant and spokesman for DWSD. "Perhaps (water purchases after April 17, 2014) is something that will be part of discussions with Flint and Genesee County."

 

Representatives of the three entities were called to a meeting with Gov. Rick Snyder today, April 19, possibly to discuss issues including the transition between Flint Genesee County shifting from purchasing Detroit water to building and putting into service a new water pipeline to Lake Huron.

 

The new pipeline, to be built by the Karegnondi Water Authority, is expected to take at least 30 months to put into service once ground is broken -- something that's expected to happen next month.

 

Wright said officials knew the existing contract could be broken by Flint or Detroit with one-year's notice. The county is not a party to the contract, but rebuys Detroit water from the city of Flint.

 

"We believe legally, they can't cut us off from water or arbitrarily raise rates," the drain commissioner said. "As long as you're paying, you can't arbitrarily change the rate structure because you're mad."

 

Officials from DWSD have been locked for weeks in a war of words over water with county and Flint officials. Each claim they can supply the area's future water needs at a lower cost than the other.

 

State Treasurer Andy Dillon on April 15 gave Flint emergency manager Ed Kurtz permission to enter into contracts with the KWA for future water purchases. Flint needed the permission because it is under the control of a state-appointed emergency manager.

 

Kurtz would not comment on the water contract termination letter when contacted earlier this week, but said city officials "knew what the contract" with Detroit said when they decided to supply its own water in the future through the KWA, a regional partnership that includes Sanilac, Lapeer and Genesee counties as well as the cities of Flint and Lapeer.

 

After Kurtz and Wright announced rejection of DWSD's final offer for future water service this week, Wright sent McCormick a letter, asking to meet to discuss areas of mutual interest to all parties.

 

Among them: the potential for the KWA to purchase at least some pieces of the existing Detroit pipeline that's currently used to carry Lake Huron water here from a Detroit intake and treatment plant.

 

Wright said some of the existing pipeline will be of no use to Detroit if it has no customers to serve along the route and said the KWA could save on its $274-million pipeline project if it could acquire at least some parts of it at the right price.

 

Johnson said then that McCormick was willing to meet with Flint and Genesee County officials.

 

In addition to potential infrastructure sales, the three entities may also want to discuss what Johnson has called "stranded costs," or past investments in the water system that have benefited customers in this area.

 

DWSD has claimed Flint would be responsible for some of those costs if the city leaves the Detroit system.

 

Flint and Genesee County officials have said they can't be changed for such costs.

 

 

http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2013/04/detroit_gives_notice_its_termi.html

[GrowGoddess]

We can count on more manipulated data around the entire country when it comes to water. Our government spend trillions of dollars supporting the stock market and banks. We were promised infrastructure.

 

Here is where some of that money should have gone.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/drinking-water-systems-imperiled-by-failing-infrastructure/ar-AAeNjqY?li=AA54ur#image=1

 

It is not just Flint, I don't have a link for this statement, but I have read that in 49 states out of 50, the water does not pass health department standards, it is contaminated, poison.

 

This stuff is going on everywhere. We can't trust any government body or corporations these days. I also read recently that one of the largest water bottling companies falsified their test results and distributed water with e-coli in it.

 

We live in some evil times.

 

I can't believe nobody had gone to jail for falsifying the data in Flint's water supply.

[Restorium2]

We can count on more manipulated data around the entire country when it comes to water. Our government spend trillions of dollars supporting the stock market and banks. We were promised infrastructure.

 

Here is where some of that money should have gone.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/drinking-water-systems-imperiled-by-failing-infrastructure/ar-AAeNjqY?li=AA54ur#image=1

 

It is not just Flint, I don't have a link for this statement, but I have read that in 49 states out of 50, the water does not pass health department standards, it is contaminated, poison.

 

This stuff is going on everywhere. We can't trust any government body or corporations these days. I also read recently that one of the largest water bottling companies falsified their test results and distributed water with e-coli in it.

 

We live in some evil times.

 

I can't believe nobody had gone to jail for falsifying the data in Flint's water supply.

If you are scared then get your water tested. It's easy to do. Our city water here is just fine and it serves millions. 

 

Seriously, people need to get their water tested if they have any doubts. It's easy to do.

[trichcycler]

Most politicians would have the good sense not to poison their constituents' water supply to save money. For the Republicans, this is not so.

they do this with their pens, not vials of cloudy liquid you know. How often do political decisions put unsafe Rx into the hands of all of us? Or deny life saving procedures to the ill? Or inject our servicemen with toxins for study? Or purposely infect thousands of minorities with deadly syphilis? Or vote to make a new pesticide safe for human consumption? or feed us GMO life forms? Have you noticed most all packaged foods are disease causing items, all approved with political dollars and might.

 

While it may not be the politicians directly poisoning us, they say and do exactly what their supporters tell them to, you know, the ones who contribute the most money. Drugs, Food, Fuel, Health Care, Imprisonment, Court proceedings,...its all been poisoned you know, by the politicians we've supported for this lifetime. I believe politicians actually do poison their supporters with every vile breath they steal from us.

 

Political aspirations have become the (positive) litmus test of corruption detection. imo of course.

[Restorium2]

Well, this was just ignorance of what certain chemicals can do when introduced into an ageing water system. 

[GrowGoddess]

This problem is not secluded to Flint. The real problem here is the habit of falsifying data. Even if they claim the source has been repaired, how can we believe them? After reading this article, I would find it very difficult to believe them.

 

My goodness, this is a report from 2003. I wonder how much worse the problem is now?

http://www.nrdc.org/water/drinking/uscities.asp

 

The average person requires 1 gallon of drinking water per day.

[GrowGoddess]

If you are scared then get your water tested. It's easy to do. Our city water here is just fine and it serves millions. 

 

Seriously, people need to get their water tested if they have any doubts. It's easy to do.

 

I'm not scared for my water. I live in a rural area, no industrial anything around me, and I have my own wells. I am fortunate to live high and dry.

 

I have had my water tested. It came back clean.

 

For others though, I don't really trust the testing. What about testing for radiation? A lot of people get their water from Lake Huron. DTE likes to get permission to dump millions of gallons of radiated water into the lake. I am not sure that they test for radiation among other pollutants.

 

I don't trust any governing body. If I had it my way I would be completely off the grid and 100% self efficient, but that is not easy these days.

[Restorium2]

I think it was caused by Snyder's administration believing they are entitled to do whatever they wish to bring the poorer cities back into financial compliance.

Right, right. That's the 'people' problem. What happened was that water that could normally be used for drinking, when it went down the old tubes, it changed. It changed the pipes also. So just going back to the way it was isn't going to be as easy as some would lead you to believe. The pipes will probably expel lead forever now. Every house needs a whole house filter. 

[Restorium2]

I wonder how obvious it was to an 'expert' that the new water was going to mess up the old pipes? You don't hear much from the local smart folks at the water plants.

[Restorium2]

I don't think it is about predicting whether it will mess up the pipes and therefore poison the water supply, I think it is about measuring water quality correctly and not ignoring or covering up the issue for more than a year.

I watched them almost daily on the news. They just kept testing the water as it came out of the plant. Never testing down stream. That's the whole dealio. Is that criminal? Someone will know that. This probably has happened many times in many other places across the US. 

[t-pain]

the people at the water plant knew about the river's ph. i'm guessing someone also brought it up at the city council meetings.

[trichcycler]

Is the Saginaw Bay water safe to drink without filtration?  does it contain lead before filtration. sorry if I missed those points, I haven't seen the television for  week, box was being replaced, a good opportunity to prep the farm for winter.