Dr Eden Wells And Flint's Poisoned Water

[Restorium2]

Is the Saginaw Bay water safe to drink without filtration?  does it contain lead before filtration. sorry if I missed those points, I haven't seen the television for  week, box was being replaced, a good opportunity to prep the farm for winter.

LOL NO! But it was safe for decades AFTER treatment. Now that water source has been switched out for Lake Huron which requires less treatment. 

Lead in the water was never the problem. It's the chems used to make the water drinkable reacted with the pipes causing free lead in the water. 

[Restorium2]

the people at the water plant knew about the river's ph. i'm guessing someone also brought it up at the city council meetings.

I believe the problem was trihalomethanes -- or TTHM -- a group of four chemicals that are formed as a byproduct of disinfecting water and also really high amounts of additional chlorine used to fight high levels of bacteria in the summer.

[Restorium2]

I'm not sure everyone knows that when it rains a lot they discharge sewage into the Flint River. 

[t-pain]

"I had the opportunity to apologize ... I was grateful for the opportunity to do it," Wurfel told the Free Press later. "I will be the first to say, I came on a little strong on this because I believed the numbers we had in the moment."

darn the wurfels are disgusting people.

[solabeirtan]

kind of unrelated to flint, still about water and dr eden wells...

 

http://www.leaderpub.com/2015/10/07/niles-receives-water-quality-award/

 

CDC recommends water fluoridation as a safe, effective, and inexpensive method of preventing decay. In fact, every $1 invested in fluoridation saves at least $38 in costs for dental treatment, according to the CDC.

 

“Water fluoridation is one of the most effective means we have for preventing and controlling tooth decay throughout a person’s life,” said Dr. Eden Wells, dhief medical executive with the MDHHS. “In fact, our latest studies show that even in an environment where people have access to multiple sources of fluoride, such as fluoride toothpaste and professional dental treatments, fluoridation continues to prevent at least 25 percent of tooth decay in children and adults.”

 

I think this is a ridiculous argument.  Especially when it is already present in most tooth paste and regular Dental  care and hygiene  are fairly common practices these days.

 

 Pepsi and Coke also cause your tooth enamel to soften and it has been suggested not to brush immediately  after drinking. Along the lines of ingesting fluoride to prevent tooth decay, perhaps a chaser of your favorite white enamel paint  would be in order.  Its like what good are pearly whites when your not breathing?  Several European countries have discontinued fluoride in drinking water programs.  

[trichcycler]

^^ The ingestion of this drug/pesticide fluoride is not even regulated by age or weight or need. This means municipalities force medicate a 3 year  old the same amount of the drug as a 60 year old 300 lb man. what century are we in any ways ?  google paxil, Prozac, fluorine, school shootings, experimental drugs given to children for more.

Edited October 12, 2015 by grassmatch

[knucklehead bob]

US Government Admits Americans Have Been Overdosed On Fluoride

The US government has finally admitted they’ve overdosed Americans on fluoride and, for the first time since 1962, is lowering their recommended level of fluoride in drinking water.

The CDC reports that around 40% percent of Americans have dental fluorosis, a condition referring to changes in the appearance of tooth enamel — from chalky-looking lines and splotches to dark staining and pitting — caused by long-term ingestion of fluoride during the time teeth are forming.

http://peacefulwarriors.net/us-government-admits-americans-have-been-overdosed-on-fluoride/

[trichcycler]

is it still considered a conspiracy if found to be true?

tin foil hat winz again!

[trichcycler]

especially our kids right?   we drink 8 or so glasses of water, and so do they. If fluoride is routinely used to modify behavior whats to say this isn't where some crazy kids are bourne?

[trichcycler]

"But Michigan's top environmental regulator says no one should lose their job." Michigan Department of Environmental Quality Director Dan Wyant

 

He pays these kooks to keep this from happening !!

 

reeks of political scandals, litigation avoidance.

[solabeirtan]

re: the Flint River Basin

 

 I just found this report on the EPA site. They had determined that there were excessive levels of numerous toxins however concluded that there was not a direct vehicle for transmission to the GP. Enter the current incompetent and criminal State of MI_indless govt administration {Snider & Co} who's ignorance and fondness for imposing some of the harshest austerity measures and just callous, stone-hearted indifference to the basic needs of its constituents saw fit to pipe it into the Flint city water supply.  

 

from apx pg 5,6 of EPA report

....

"Groundwater

The hydrogeolgy of the Site is characterized by a shallow groundwater zone with depth to the water table

typically ranging from approximately 6 to 16 feet below ground surface (bgs).

 

The underlying glacial till unit, a depth of approximately 5 to 30 feet, has been characterized as an aquitard.

The Saginaw Formation of bedrock, which underlies the unconsolidated glacial drift in the area of the Site

at depths reported to be 60 to 80 ft bgs, was historically the primary source of groundwater in the Flint area.

Several production wells in the formation were previously used for industrial and public water supply. As

alternative sources of drinking water became available, these wells were taken out of service due to the

poor quality of the groundwater (high hardness and dissolved solids values). There are no known active

production wells in the City that use the shallow or bedrock formations as a source of groundwater.

Currently, the City of Flint Department of Public Works supplies drinking water to the City of Flint, and

Flint Township. The City of Flint Department of Public Works purchases potable water form the City of

Detroit, which routes water from a Lake Huron intake to the City of Flint. Therefore, exposure of workers

and others at and around the Site via potable or nonpotable groundwater use is not expected.

 

Recreational users could be exposed to contaminated groundwater via contact with nearby down gradient

surface water in the Flint River where groundwater could enter directly and discharge via on-site storm

water sewers that intercept groundwater.

 

There is no other complete exposure pathway between contaminated soil, groundwater, or LNAPLs and

human receptors at the Site that can be reasonably expected under current conditions."

[t-pain]

 

snyder wouldnt stand behind wyant if he was going to fire him. the fix is in people.

 

in fact, i cant fathom any reason for snyder to be at that press conference. he should be running away from his mess as far as possible.

[solabeirtan]

...saw that  ...  

Edited October 14, 2015 by solabeirtan

[Restorium2]

The reason Snyder is at the press conference is because he has played an active role in this all along. He's culpable up to his ears. Part of the Flint financial emergency was the water problem.

 

The financial emergency in the city of Flint has been resolved and a Receivership Transition Advisory Board has been appointed to ensure a smooth transition to local control and continued financial stability for the city, Gov. Rick Snyder said.

“I was pleased to receive and accept Jerry Ambrose’s recommendation that the financial emergency in Flint has been sufficiently addressed,” Snyder said. “This is a new day for Flint and the city is ready to move toward a brighter future. These are important steps as we work together to transition back to local control in the city.”

Snyder said Ambrose, and those who preceded him, worked diligently to finalize several critical reforms in the city, so it can return to local control. The Receivership Transition Advisory Board appointed today will work closely with local leaders to ensure Flint continues on a path toward long-term financial stability.

[Restorium2]

Yup, the liability is through the roof. I predict Fieger will make more money off of this case than his brother made off of My Sharona.

 

 

[AmishRnot4ganja]

snyder wouldnt stand behind wyant if he was going to fire him. the fix is in people.in fact, i cant fathom any reason for snyder to be at that press conference. he should be running away from his mess as far as possible.

 

 

Want to REALLY get back at these people and get them steamed? Vote for representatives who are willing to raise their taxes.

 

GO BERNIE!

[t-pain]

flint switched back to DWSD water now.

 

says at least 3 weeks to flush the system.

 

how much damage was done by the flint river water?

who is going to measure the pipes and see if they are ok?

 

where is dr eden wells to test the water and tell flint residents when its safe to drink or bathe again?

 

the lead pipes are still in the ground. switching water sources will not change that fact.

if your house is older than 1985 please have your pipes tested.....

[solabeirtan]

EPA has created the Flint Safe Drinking Water Task Force and is supposed to be helping with the transition. Most of the lead was most likely coming from the river. It already had  a Statement of Basis from EPA back in 2010. 

 

They will be hooked back up to their former supplier the DS&WD which is now under the control of the Great Lakes Water Authority.   This will suffice untill they complete the Karegnondi Water Authority pipeline from Lake Huron which they passed a special 600 mil bond to create. Completion could be late winter or more likely spring 2016.  

 

June 2015 EPA report showing violations and massive lead levels in some residences.

Edited October 18, 2015 by solabeirtan

[trichcycler]

contaminates from the pipes my azz!!^^^^
some people are lead to believe just about anything

 

looks like a criminal act to me.

[Restorium2]

contaminates from the pipes my azz!!^^^^

some people are lead to believe just about anything

 

looks like a criminal act to me.

Read the report from the EPA. It's very clear and easy to understand about the contaminates from the pipes: 

 

Prior to April 30, 2014, the City of Flint purchased finished water from the City of Detroit which contained orthophosphate, a treatment chemical used to control lead and copper levels in the drinking water. When the City of Flint switched to the Flint River as their water source on April 30, 2014, the orthophosphate treatment for lead and copper control was not continued.

[trichcycler]

flint water=sewage, and they knew it. it already has lead in it.

 

 

"Sediments in the lower ten miles of the Saginaw River extending into Saginaw Bay contain a wide

range of pollutants, including residue from oil and grease discharges, phosphorus and nitrogen in

various forms, heavy metals, and organic chemicals. It is the latter two, heavy metals and organic

chemicals, that comprise the greatest cause for concern. Heavy metals detected in sediments that

when tested remain above acceptable levels include lead, zinc, nickel, arsenic, cadmium, chromium,

copper, and mercury. The primary organic chemicals of concern in the river include pesticide residues

(e.g., DDT, DDD, DDE, and related derivatives, dieldrin, and chlordane) and industrial compounds

(polychlorinated biphenyls [PCBs], polybrominated biphenyls [PBBs], phenolic compounds,

and various chlorobenzenes). These organic chemicals and heavy metals cause concern because at

low concentrations they are toxic, they persist for a long period of time in the environment, and

many increase in concentration as they are passed up the food chain (or bioaccumulate)."

 

start with lead, end with lead. pipes schmipes, that water is toxic right from the get go obviously.

[Restorium2]

flint water=sewage, and they knew it. it already has lead in it.

 

 

"Sediments in the lower ten miles of the Saginaw River extending into Saginaw Bay contain a wide

range of pollutants, including residue from oil and grease discharges, phosphorus and nitrogen in

various forms, heavy metals, and organic chemicals. It is the latter two, heavy metals and organic

chemicals, that comprise the greatest cause for concern. Heavy metals detected in sediments that

when tested remain above acceptable levels include lead, zinc, nickel, arsenic, cadmium, chromium,

copper, and mercury. The primary organic chemicals of concern in the river include pesticide residues

(e.g., DDT, DDD, DDE, and related derivatives, dieldrin, and chlordane) and industrial compounds

(polychlorinated biphenyls [PCBs], polybrominated biphenyls [PBBs], phenolic compounds,

and various chlorobenzenes). These organic chemicals and heavy metals cause concern because at

low concentrations they are toxic, they persist for a long period of time in the environment, and

many increase in concentration as they are passed up the food chain (or bioaccumulate)."

 

start with lead, end with lead. pipes schmipes, that water is toxic right from the get go obviously.

Nope. You are flat out wrong at a time that Flint needs clarity. You do not properly understand the situation, or the water in our area, and how it is treated.

Edited October 18, 2015 by Restorium2

[Restorium2]

Focused like a laser on the truth;

 

The blame is squarely on the lack of knowledge to add the orthophosphate. Who ever was ignorant enough to make that decision is who is at fault. 

[Restorium2]

You can expand on the responsibility out from the source of the problem but you have to start at the heart of the issue to provide any kind of fix and long term solution. It's the right thing to do for Flint and everywhere else that this could happen.  

[trichcycler]

"making the tragically bad decision to force the people of Flint to drink from a dangerous river, she again tried to slip out of giving a direct answer" http://www.aclumich.org/democracywatch/index.php/entry/flint-water-and-the-no-blame-game

Edited October 18, 2015 by grassmatch