Don't know till you try.... I will follow up if I do!

Have no fear! KangerTech nano skirts are here!

For all you guys and girls stuck with getting a box mod in a color that is undesirable to you, a potential solution has been found!  It would also serve as added protection to your box mod.

http://www.amazon.com/Kangertech-Protective-Sleeve-Kanger-Matches/dp/B0182S1V1S/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1455468828&sr=8-2&keywords=KangerTech%20SUBOX%20nano%20kit

Just finished testing KangerTech's new Topbox tanks. I got the topbox nano and topbox mini.

The new topbox nano is a little shorter than the original nano tank. It is more convenient being top fill. Not sure if I like it better or not, I think I do. Both nano tanks are great. My only complaint with the topbox nano is the red gaskets. I am sure they can be replaced with black gaskets though.

As for the topbox mini, a major upgrade for sure. The original mini tank, well, I considered that junk. The new top fill mini is awesome. It does not leak or flood, has much better airflow. The stainless steel model offers good taste. You can get the whole topbox mini kit for $49 at certain retailers. The platinum version is more expensive and not as easy to get, they sell out quickly.

With the new top fill design, I like both the nano and mini just the same.

It is difficult for me to try some of the new tanks like the Arctic, and others that appear to be very impressive. I hesitate to try them because they will not satisfy my e-cigg use, they only offer sub ohm coils. I like my vaporizer to do both sub ohm and standard ohm so I can use them for both cannabis oil and e-cigg oils.

The only downside with the 1.5 ohm coils is the cotton is more tightly packed. A new coil gives a burnt taste for about a half tank of juice. After that, it just keeps getting better and they last a long time. I would say it is worth the hassle of breaking them in. I have not experienced this issue with the sub ohm coils.

I mixed up some e-cannabis oil with premium RSO and tried it in my new KangerTech Topbox mini, platinum. I must say, I am impressed. I give it an A+ it is every bit as good as the nano, if not better. That is also in regards to e-cig oil.

I am really liking the toptank mini and toptank nano as well as the subtank nano.

Looks like e-ciggs may have graduated to e-bongs and hookas too!

Check this out! I may just have to make the investment in this bad boy!

Aftermarket ceramic coils for the KangerTech products.

I have not tried these yet, but they could be the super whoop.

The vertical coils should work for both the nano and mini. Then there is the pre built RBA coil (rebuildable automizer), this one will not work for the nano, but will work for the mini.

The price is a lot more reasonable when you purchase the multi packs.

If I ever get around to trying them I will follow up.

http://lecig.com/e-cig-hardware/vape-coil-kanger-style-sub-tank-ceramic-coil-0-5ohm/

http://lecig.com/e-cig-hardware/ceramic-core-0-5-ohm-coil-for-rda/

While we are discussing new coils, the KangerTech mini kits, top and bottom tank, my first impression with the RBA is it is great. Too bad it won't fit in the nano tanks. After trying the preinstalled RBA coil (I had to add the cotton and assemble it). Well, I'm hooked. I have more sampling to do with it, but my first impression when it comes to e-cannabis oil, this may be great, but won't know until I try it. It sure seems capable and I like how the coil is horizontal and not vertical in this case.

It works great with e-cigg oils, but that is for those heavy duty sub ohm users. A bit too intense for me. I bet it would work great with cannabis oil. I will have to build my own coils to accommodate my preferred e-cigg usage.

The RBA with the preinstalled coil. I tested it at 0.33 ohms. (looks easy enough to wrap the coils yourself.

The difference between the old original bottom fill mini RBA and the new top fill mini RBA. The old mini RBA is pictured right with the larger holes. I have tried the top fill mini RBA with the smaller holes. I have only tried with e-cigg oil so far.

Here is the oil bottom fill mini with the completed RBA. It has been working flawlessly so far.

Thanks Nix for presenting your experience and honest opinion! Very much appreciated.

I only know of 2 real vapor enthusiasts when it comes to e-cannabis oil. It would have to be you Nix, and GrowinDad from RIU. I highly respect both of your opinions. NIx, you have the most experience with BHO, and your input is valuable. 

Update on the RBA for the bottom and top feed mini.

With my e-cigarette oil there have been no failures, it is working great, but it is just too intense for me with the sub ohm coils. I will have to start building my own coils, which I am happy to do, it will be fun.

Now for the cannabis oil and the RBA: it failed kind of quickly. After taking it apart, cleaning it, and analyzing why it failed. I discovered that I had too much cotton, I should have cut it a lot shorter. I over packed the RBA system and it was too tight. Next time I try it, I will use only half the amount of cotton, maybe even less. Since I use thick oils, over packing the cotton can surely cause dry hits and burn taste, and that is what happened. Other than that, I am really impressed with it. There is potential in it, just need to give it another try.

I have heard one or two people mention the nano leaking. Now, it has leaked once for me, and I use it a lot. When it leaked, I noticed that I left the airflow wide open. Never did that before. Now I know better when it comes to the cannabis oil, from now on I will close the airflow when not in use.

What to try next.....

I am going to try a Coil Master 521 Tab with the Coil Master DIY Kit V2. These are for building and testing your own coils. Trust me, these items are a must when building coils. It can be difficult to do a build when it is attached to the vaporizer.

Of course, I need a new tank to test the kit out with. I am used to the term RBA (rebuildable bottom automizer) now they are calling the newer devices RTA (rebuildable tank automizer). Then there are the RDA (rebuildable drip automizer), but I am not in to those.

What I am looking for is a nice rig that can handle dual coil that has a good rep for not leaking, and enough space to build exotic coils (like using tiger wire and such).

Here is the tank I am going with: The Griffin by GeekVape. It is super cool that you can close off the oil inlet holes from outside the tank. You can also turn off the airflow. This should be great for transporting. I will assume with the oil holes and air holes closed, the unit will not leak.

Originally I had a video up by RIPTRIPPERS, but sadly, they have sold out the vaping community. They are willing to say anything (crazy talk) for a buck, even if it is against the vaping community and lies. So I have switched the review on the Griffin tank to Zophie. She is far better skilled anyway. She will build coils on video, not just talk about them.

Keeping in mind with the reviews, most are first impressions. After first impressions, problems could arise. What works for one, may not work for another.

When I can test it I will report back. I just ordered one so it will be a week or two.

I am no sure when the ceramic coils I ordered for the mini and nano will arrive. As soon as I can test them out, I will follow up with the results.

As soon as these items become available again, out of stock everywhere, I just pre-ordered one. It is a top airflow kit for the Griffin. I am not doing this for e-ciggs, I am pretty happy with my kanger top and bottom fill nano, and the mini top fill. This is more dedicated to cannabis. It may take me a bit to get the coils and wicking correct. I will have to make more oil to be able to test this properly. I will just do a batch of QWISO.

I really like what MIke says, I have faith in his opinions. He does quality videos on vaping.

Here is another video about the Griffin. This dude can really build his coils. I have a feeling he knows his stuff when it comes to proper wicking. He does repeat himself a lot, but I can see why, what he is saying is very important. He also mentions his opinion on the proper way to fill the mini vs what the instructions to prevent leaking. I believe the top fill device that I have on back order could be a perfect solution to the leaking issue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-S7JrdIaI0M

If you watched the video above, can you imagine getting premium cannabis oil to work in a unit like that with quad coils? I can, that is why I need to give it a try!!

First thing first.

I received the LeCig ceramic coil. Right now all I can offer is my first impression. Many times a first impression can be opposite after long term. As for now, I am impressed. The first strange thing to me is I had to kick up my wattage from 15 to around 30. That is with a 0.5 ohm coil. Most people operate in the 30 watt range, but for me, 15 has been my choice. It does seem more tasty as others have claimed. There is less exhale on the vapor, almost as if it is more clean. So far, it is great, and maybe the best yet, as long as it lasts. I will do a follow up after I use it for a while, but first impression, thumbs up.

Here is a regular coil (top right) and the ceramic coil (bottom right). I was concerned at first to see the holes in the ceramic coil being smaller. At this point I am not as concerned as I was. If this coil can handle some of my premium, not winterized RSO, without failures for a full 4 grams, then I will still give it a thumbs up.

I have decided to give it another go and make my own coils. I have tried in the past, but did not have the proper tools to do it right. Also, the devices that were available at that time were very difficult to work with. There were three post designs meant for dual coils but only two wicking holes. There were not many tutorials online to help. Also, box mods were not around yet. Then I ran into problems with batteries, so I scrapped the idea.

Now that I am more familiar with batteries, mechanicals, and box mods, I am ready to give it another go. It may be a while before I get to it, but I did invest in some nice tools to help me do it right, as well as make it more convenient. You see, I am getting old, and tired of improvising! LOL

After viewing many video tutorials of coil building I invested in some Coil Master equipment. After all, I did order the Griffin and have to be able to use it with something right? Coil Master has a very nice tool kit as well as a nice build, test, vape stand called the 521 Tab.

Next time I try the RBA for the mini I will have it wicked properly for the cannabis oil and hopefully I will make the coil with a fused calpton coil.

I received the Griffin today, but I don't have all of the tools yet.

I also ran into some problems with my roof. It decided to start leaking and I got to come home to a nice puddle in my kitchen.

If I am lucky, I will get to the Griffen this weekend, if not this, then next. I am kind of hoping the top airflow piece will arrive before I get to it. I need to make up some QWISO to try in the Griffin.

I found it very difficult to get information on how to build coils that are not sub ohm. Even though I prefer the devices that are capable of using the sub ohm coils, I prefer the higher resistances. Here is a video I came across that has helped. It does require extra work to make a higher resistance coil. This is in regards to my e-cigg oil. I prefer the lower resistance with cannabis oil. It really easy to make basic sub ohm coils since you use a thicker wire which is much easier to work with. All in all, I would like to master both types, so I have the option.

Update on the ceramic coil: Still working and tasting great. I have vaped about 2 grams with it, just need to refill and do 2 more.

Well, I pretty much have the Griffin built and ready. I have some RSO I can use, but I would rather try it out with some fresh QWISO. Have to make that still. I have a nice jar of buds that I just put in the freezer, some 4-G, my favorite for making QWISO. When I say 99% iso extract. Probably around 2 ounces.

I built the coils, not exactly what I want. I used 24 gauge kanthal wire. It is easy to work with. The wire is stiff and makes nice coils. I tried smaller gauge wire, but it was very difficult to work with. It is very springy and does not want to compress without adding heat to it.

After installing the coils onto the Griffin deck, I preheated them with the coil master 521 tab. I have to tinker around with them a bit until they glowed evenly. Bright from the center out is preferred. When using dual coils, they each need to burn evenly. I did 8 wraps for each coil using a 2.5mm rod, the total resistance with the coils combined is 0.38 ohms.

It was reasonably easy, but still a pain for a first time build. For first time coil building, I highly recommend 24 gauge wire, it is much easier to work with. Patience and experience pays off.

The next step was inserting the cotton wick material. I had watched a few tutorials and combined techniques. Going by what I have heard, too much and too little wick can cause problems. I think I installed the wicks ok (acceptable)

When I get to filling it to try, I will use cannabis oil.

I'm really interested to see how the rebuildable works with ecannabis oil. It seems like all of the hardcore hobbyists on YouTube prefer dripping on RDAs over tanks for their nic juice. 

So what was it about sub ohm vaping that you didn't like? Is the effect of the cannabis intense to an uncomfortable level? Does the 1.5 ohm coil deliver less medicine per inhale?

I'm really interested to see how the rebuildable works with ecannabis oil. It seems like all of the hardcore hobbyists on YouTube prefer dripping on RDAs over tanks for their nic juice. 

 

So what was it about sub ohm vaping that you didn't like? Is the effect of the cannabis intense to an uncomfortable level? Does the 1.5 ohm coil deliver less medicine per inhale?

I think you may have it backwards.

With sub ohm vaping, my preference is cannabis oil so I can get a bigger hit. I only use the 1.5 ohm for e-ciggs. I don't want giant hits for my e-cigg. I "chain vape" with nice little puffs.

I am 100% for sub ohm vaping when it comes to e-cannabis vaping.

On a previous entry I showed the coil build for the Griffin. I wanted to make some fresh QWISO for the first test run. It came out very nice looking without winterizing.

I gave the Griffin a first test run with fresh made QWISO. I filled it up, then opened up the oil ports, sadly, it flooded a half fill immediately! I am not putting blame to the Griffin. The way I did the build was A-OK. Due to the light wick job I did. I should have opened the ports more slowly. Lesson learned.

I used up the oil that remained and added more without leaks. Today I will top it off just to see if it will leak. Now that the coils are broken in, I have a feeling it will not leak. 

First Impression:

This unit is not for beginners. It is easy to make a mistake and lose expensive product.

On the good side, I have never had a vaping device work so well. The smoothness, taste, intense draws with no coughing, extreme potency, I have no complaints. I have to use it more before I can confidently give it a thumbs up.

Another word of warning, if you get this thing going like I have, once you start using it, you just can't stop!!!  It is that good.

Well, gave the Griffin a refill. Filling up to the top caused leaking. Filling it up 3/4 of the way there was not leak problem. It could be all my fault. I think I may have not put in enough wick to the ports. Other than that, it is working just fine so far with unbelievable hits.

This time when I filled it to the top and it leaked, I was ready. I had my little pan at the ready to catch any drips.

Here it is with the QWISO e-cannabis oil. The actual color is an average of the three images shown.

That's some great looking QWISO ejuice. 

So I ordered an accessory for the Griffin. A top airflow piece. All I can say is WOW!

I poured out the remaining oil from the Griffin, about 1/4 at the most. Then I removed the original top and installed the new top airflow piece. This new accessory takes up more space in the tank to accommodate for the extra airflow. That is actually good for us e-cannabis users. The tank now holds less liquid and may even be less likely to flood when filling. When I filled the Griffin with the new top, I only filled it half way. When filling, I left the top airflow vents open, the bottom ones were closed. I encountered no leaking.

The Griffin, in its original state, is the best hitting rig I have had for e-cannabis period. With the new top airflow, when it comes to e-cannabis, it is even better yet. This is not for beginners, but for the do it yourselfers. There's no going back for me now, I am hooked.

Here is the Griffin attached to a SmokTech mechanical vape (left). It operated just fine using an LG 18650 3000 mAh battery (the brown battery). The vape on the right is the KangerTech mini

The Griffin with the top airflow attachment

The Griffin has ran low and its performance has begun to falter. I have filled it quite a few times and have put 3 to 4 grams of QWISO through it.

You can see the wick (organic cotton) is dirty and dark looking.

I did purchase another Griffin and built a set of coils for it. Have to make sure it works right? For each coil I did 7 wraps with 24 gauge kanthal wire. This time I used a bit more cotton in the wicking ports. I took my chances and topped it off with oil using my new top airflow piece. It has not leaked whatsoever! Definitely the baddest rig yet. At least when it comes to e-cannabis oil.

I had to make some fresh QWISO to run the tests on the Griffin. I winterized it with 200 proof ethyl. This is some tasty potent stuff!!

Update:

I have noticed that building my own coils offers me more potential. I am going to start devoting more of my time towards building my own coils. With a few exceptions, the kanger subox nano, I really love the KangerTech subox nano and will be on the look out for a RTA or RBA deck that is small enough to fit. I don't mind it being small, I am willing to work with it. The Kanger mini platnium offers a RBA deck with the kit. The RBA works really well, especially with my own coils, far better than the prebuilt coils the kit comes with.

The RTA units have now become really popular, and many companies have just started competing. There are many units coming out in the near future. A lot of these units with new technology are 25mm diameter. The larger decks offer the opportunity for larger coil builds. I am not sure if I prefer the 25mm size, but I will need a larger vape to do some testing. I am highly interested in these new units. One of the main reasons is that they may all get banned soon. It will be those with rebuildable units and spare equipment that will be able to continue vaping the manner in which we enjoy. Otherwise, I am pretty much a do it yourselfer anyway. I would rather build my own coils so if something is going wrong, I can trace it down and learn from the failure.

So I just ordered one of these http://www.myvaporstore.com/Wismec-Reuleaux-RX200-Mod-p/wisr20.htm

Can't wait to get it!!

I also ordered some clapton wire. Very interested to see how it compares to regular kanthal wire.

I mounted the Griffin on my JoyeTech E-Vic and it mounted flush like it is supposed to. The KangerTech tanks do not.

I want to fully master the Griffin and other RTA units for the benefit of cannabis. I switched to sub ohm vaping with my e-cig oil. I chain vape and never cared for sub ohm when it comes to my e-cigs. The only way I will be able to master the sub ohm vaping cannabis oil is to sub ohm vape my e-cig oils. Also I will be building my own coils. Right off the bat I have learned that it does not matter how well the coils are built. What matters most is how well the wick cotton has been installed. Different methods work differently for all people. With thick oils and sub ohm coils, the cotton needs to be free and not compacted. Since sub ohm vaping uses more heat and more of the liquid is consumed, the cotton cannot be restricted on the quick uptake of fluid. The Griffin has made me learn (since I am using super thick pure VG with my e-cig oil) that not just the cotton must be free, the oil wells must have an opening for just liquid. The cotton cannot block the hole up or you will not be able to chain vape. I have also learned that if the cotton is not installed just right, the unit can leak and flood real easy. When it comes to super cloud puffing vapes, which is great for e-cannabis, the Griffin can do it, but it is difficult, it must be wicked perfectly. I have watched many different videos that were very convincing. The methods worked great for them, but not for me. I use similar methods, but for some reason, I give the wicks a bit more of a "hair cut" and using a toothpick instead of needle nose tweezers to open the oil wells next to the wick on the post side of all 4 wells, it made all the difference. Suddenly, my vape began to work perfectly when it came to my chain vaping e-cig juice. It took about 3 tries, but I got it. It did leak a few times, but not horribly.

I do recommend the Griffin, but it is not for a beginner.

Pros: It does work and can work great with e-cig juice and e-cannabis oil. So far, the best I have tried for both, especially when it comes to getting a large, clean draw. It is affordable.

Cons: It is difficult to get it working just right. It can lead to a lot of frustration and losses when working with cannabis oil. I wish the wick wells were a bit larger, there is room. I think the deck could be 1mm smaller so the automizer would not be as close to the glass and the juice flow would be more smooth (faster acting) when it comes to the thicker oils.

Going by what I have heard recently, you need 2.5mm wells or ports to handle thicker liquids more conveniently. That is what we need for potent cannabis oil.

I did order a differently designed unit that has 2.5 mm ports. The Aromamizer Supreme. According to the super cloud puffing e-cig enthusiasts, this is considered one of the best. I am thinking it will work the best for e-cannabis. It is a bit expensive, but I just have to try it. The reviews have impressed me. For me, it is all about e-cannabis.

I can't imagine why someone would want more vapor than what the Griffin offers, but a big thumbs up to them, I am thanking you guys out there. The bigger cloud puffing stuff works awesome with e-cannaibs. That is what it needs to work correctly. If it wasn't for the big cloud vaporists out there, I wouldn't be able to experience this.

I did receive some clapton wire. I have a super vape device that goes to 200Watts, theWismec Reuleaux RX200 for home use and testing. They have really come down in price. It is kind of big and bulky, it takes (3) 18650 batteries. Just what I need for home testing. I can work on a coil build and not have to be concerned with it tipping over. I can fire the coils from 1 to 200 watts with full confidence that there will be no lack of watts. I believe it will come in handy since I am going to start using custom wire, which may require a higher wattage than what my single battery vapes can handle, for my coil builds.

New vape and wire for coil building.

I would like to compare the 26 gauge stainless steel, and 26 gauge kanthal, see if there are any differences.

When taking spare batteries along with you it is good practice to keep them in a cover or case specifically made for the batteries. I wanted a case that can carry 2 batteries but they were out of stock , so I got one of the $0.95 gel slip cover cases. You never want to carry these or any battery for that matter, loose. If you carry it loose, unprotected in your pocket or purse and anything metal causes it to arc, you become a disaster waiting to happen.

I am hooked on sub ohm vaping for my ecannabis oil. I have really gotten used to it with my e-cig use also. I have mentioned previously that I chain vape and have been for a few years now.

The Griffin rocks. I am getting used to chain vaping large draws. It is smooth and comfortable, more than I thought. I cut my nicotine in half again, to accommodate the more heavy vaping. So now I am down to 6mL nicotine. Using it like I normally do as a vape, I have had some leaking or flooding issues. It is not too bad. Not enough for me to complain, although with ecannabis the potential leaking needs to be taken in consideration. Waving it around, putting in a pocket, cocking at a steep angle when taking a draw, sometimes it will leak a little due to flooding. Many times the flooding is operator error. There are airflow and juice flow controls that need to be closed for certain operations. It is easy to forget or screw up the process.

The Griffin is an awesome tank. You can get them for $28 at My Vapor Store. The biggest downside with the Griffin is it is difficult to wick it properly to accommodate the large draw capabilities (it could use larger juice ports).

Now for ecannabis oil I have not had as much leaking problems because I only fill the tank about half way. I also close the juice control and airflow control when I am not using it. It is really worth it if you are into it. The draws are unbelievable, can't be beat. After getting to know the unit from building your own coils and wicking, it is easy to solve many issues that may arise. I can just flip it upside down, pull out the coil deck and usually fix the issue with a toothpick. After experience you learn. That does come with a cost, using oil.

Well, it has been a tough winter. I already have to start preparing for next winter, but I can at least do one more test or two before summer gets here. I just ordered the Aromamizer Supreme. It is a different design with larger wickign ports. I will be testing that soon. I hope to be testing another new design that has just been released. This is similar to the Griffin, but with improvements in design. The Billow V3 Plus, which is currently sold out. It appears to have twice the size wicking ports as the Griffin and that can make all the difference. I hope to have some oil available to try this out.

As for the Griffin top airflow control. It is not a must, but it is a nice accessory. It is nice to have the option to balance the airflow control.

I am really impressed with the RX200 box mod and will more than likely get a backup, which will require 3 additional batteries. It has been great for around the house and nice not to have to worry about it tipping over.

I am not ready to give a full review on the clapton wire yet. I made one set of coils, but wasn't really happy with it. I could have done better with the wicking as well as the coil build. I would like to test it with the e-cig oil too, but not quite ready. Right now the vape I am using for my e-cig oil, the Griffin is working great. I don't want to remove the wicks and coils until they are ready to be changed. I will follow up with the clapton wire in the near future.

At this point, I see 2 types of successful ecannabis use. One, going with something like the nano or mini that has prebuilt coils that function well with ecannabis that offers great results. To me the biggest con with this is if the company makes changes, or if the government bans them, you are not in control. Also building your own coils with the RTA, RDA, and RDTA requires interest, it kind of becomes a hobby. If you have no interest, well, it will make it more difficult. Those who build their own need not worry too much about changes or regulations. I am at the point where i believe I can build better coils that what comes prebuilt. Just took some practice. If you already have the equipment, a ban would not be that terrible.