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Bilbo The Grower

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  1. An additional note regarding the Marijuana Laws: This is quoted from the Jackson Citizen Patriot Wire Digest dated: Saturday October 16, 2010 "Holder: Marijuana laws will be enforced San Francisco - Attorney General Eric Holder said the federal government will enforce its marijuana laws in California even if voters next month make the state the first in the nation to legalize the drug. The Justice Department strongly opposes California's Proposition 19 and remains firmly committed to enforcing the federal Controlled Substances Act in all states, Holder wrote in a letter to former chiefs of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration. The Associated Press obtained a copy of the letter, dated Wednesday. "We will vigorously enforce the CSA against those individuals and organizations that possess, manufacture or distribute marijuana for recreational use, even if such activities are permitted under state law," Holder wrote." My take and two cents from reading the above Michigan Search Warrant and from the stand of the Federal Government is this: I don't support the removal of the plants from a Registered Caregiver. But the Michigan State law clearly states: "Fully Enclosed Secured Area". My understanding of fully enclosed would mean locked in a secure building. I think that this Caregiver went through a lot of trouble putting up a fence and covering his product, but I can't see how this would be construed as fully enclosed and secure. Perhaps he had and alarm system or dogs, it's not stated, but if not, it would seem any unsavory or determined wiley coyote person could stealthily enter that premises and steal product. This is the very thing the law is trying to prevent. I have a home in Indiana and changed my residency to Michigan so that I could try and take advantage of the Michigan Marijuana Law. I am not a user, but I felt that if I used my passion of wanting to do the best I can do of my own abilities to grow Medical Marijuana on my Michigan property for which I pay Michigan taxes, I could do this and still be an honest and fair caregiver for my patients. I admit, I have a lot to learn in growing Medical Marijuana hydroponically or at all. But I spent much expense ensuring that my grow facility is in a LOCKED SECURE BUILDING. I realize that any determined thief can break and enter into ANY building that they want, but it would require MUCH effort to steal or even to view my product. Certainly the LEO's could never view my product or evidence of growing product from a drive by or even a fly by. They would have to break and enter my premises and that would be entrapment. Or they can request a legal audit as my name and address is provided on my Michigan Department Of Community Health card. I'm not saying that I am not careful. But let's be honest. It takes real effort to grow Medical Marijuana Legally and to stay within the law and to try and make a little profit. And even by doing this, there is little, if any, room to make a profit (which we are not supposed to do) unless you try and WORK to stay within the legal limits. Cutting corners in the growing, caring, tending, expense, distribution and security of your Medical Marijuana will do nothing but make it bad for those who are really trying to stay within the law and provide for themselves or for patients fairly. I for one do not feel sorry for any operation that is growing marijuana for recreation and busted. I think that it is a plus for the genuine Caregivers since it keeps supply and demand legally balanced. I don't feel sorry for anyone growing marijuana in the cornstalks or on public property or even private property if they violate the law. I'd like to have Michigan keep the Medical Marijuana program to provide relief for genuine patients who prefer a choice of Medical Marijuana over the inflated price of chemicals that can do more damage to your body than good. We already know that the pharmaceutical companies over charge the American People for their own profit and greed. If you don't believe this, trying obtaining Health Insurance for yourself or for your family if you have any type of pre-existing health condition. Sorry for being long winded, but I wanted to express my thoughts since joining this website and before I join any Compassion Club, so you can see me coming and be forwarned.... (L)augh (O)ut (L)oud... :-) Bilbo The Grower...Zeke
  2. I would think so. No one can just walk into your house and then into your locked room to obtain product. The design intent is so that no one can just get to the marijuana and helping them selves witout your consent. This keeps it out of the hands of children also.
  3. Thanks...interesting article. I was in HydroVison store last week and they are pretty nice people. I pretty much shop at Mighty Grow in Jackson and they are really helpful there. These stores are popping up everywhere. Pretty soon market saturation will bring some of the supply prices down and close the weaker stores. Supply and Demand 101.
  4. It's true, there are many scammers out there that just want to get your name to being able to grow more marijuana and then sell for the high $$$ instead of providing the service that a caregiver is supposed to give. I believe when more responsible caregivers get in the system. This will help alleviate the problems. Good luck to all responsible growers.
  5. When is the best time to add flavors and are there any recomendations? I'd love to try this but don't want to get the wrong stuff and add it at the wrong time. I am currently on the 3rd day of flushing and wondered if I am too late now.
  6. Sorry...I didn't mean to post this under the wrong topic catagory. Mod Moved Post
  7. I guess the statement of "What the market will bear" will be the protocol until prices come down some or stabilize. I know I have quite a bit of money in my growrooms and equipment. I'm not a user, but I am not out to make a killing either, just some ROI. It costs quite a bit for the nutrients and utilities also, not to mention the time involved. I know your'e not supposed to make a profit. But you don't see everyone going out and spending 10k to 15k plus just to grow quality meds for themselves.
  8. Can this be produced in various strains or strengths? What would the application really be for? Would dispensaries want to buy this product?
  9. What would be the point of this? At some point in time the State of Michigan will realize that they might find a cash cow if the started to apply sales tax to dispensaries and then try to come up with some way for growers. Hopefully they will take their time like trying to tax internet sales and then calling it a "use tax". The gov just can't see to find the deep end of our pockets. Like all we have to do is sit and wait for more taxation. Yuck!
  10. That is one of the problems with the law as it reads now. Since a doctor can't precribe how much THC a patient is supposed to receive for pain or ailment. There is no prescribed dosage. A smaller amount of THC make work for some patients and other patients may require a higher THC dosage. But the law is one size fits all. I suppose that the quality and the amount of THC in the buds are the real measuring point on how much or little a patient needs for pain relief. Then the overages could be sold after the patient history usage need is really established for each individual patient. The only flaw is that I see a lot of "patients?" are using Medical Marijuana for the "Get Out Of Jail Pass" for recreational usage. I have been to several dispensaries in the pastwhere the dispensary employees are just having a field day smoking or vaporizing all of the meds that they want, regardless of legal restrictions. The newer dispensaries seem to have better control and are more professionally run.
  11. The only problem I have found by using distilled water from places like Meijers or Walmart is that the reverse osmosis procedure removed minerals from the water like magnesium and potassium, etc. Even though I was using the recommended purchased nutrients for my plants, they apparently didn't contain these minerals, so I had some nutrient deficiencies that I had to correct. I have access to untreated well water and that is working for me fine now. So I won't waste my money on distilled water.
  12. I thought you had to join the dispensary to obtain meds from it? The dispensaries that I have joined required my Michigan Caregiver Registration and my Michigan driver's license. Unless they, as stated above purchased "copious amounts" (and is that legal?) of medical marijuana, how could they do this? You are only allowed to carry the legal limit in Michigan. So how could you purchase more than that amount? What's up with that?
  13. I just wonder how many years it will be before the major pharmaceutical companies get into the game and then the Federal Government will bless it royally.
  14. Has anyone been to the Jackson Compassion Club? What's it like?

  15. Haw anyone been to or joined the Adrian Compassion Club? I have heard that there is one, but don't have any details about it. Can anyone fill us in about it? I'd like to join, but I am about 20 miles from Jackson and 20 miles from Adrian. I was wondering what the Jackson Compassin Club was like also. Just trying to decide which one to go to. I'm in Addison, so it's a toss up. Sure would appreciate and feedback. Thanks.
  16. You must be my cousin!!! And do you speak spanish too? LOL!!!
  17. I currently live in Addison. They just recently opened up a dispensary in Adrian, which I was glad to see. I just joined one in Ann Arbor and that one seemed like a really nice place. It was on the second floor with no elevator though, so I don't know how anyone with a wheelchair would get up there. I only plan to use it to sell any overages there though. My dad is a retired Sheriff Deputy and we have a few guys who come out to my little farm here to use our woods to hunt in. I even gave them keys to my barn because it is heated so they could prepare their hunting stuff in the warm. Though I do have my rooms secured inside the barn. Some of the guys are deputies and some are police and firemen. I even have a Detective Sargent coming out and they all like my grow rooms. I am not sure of the rest of the area force, but for most part I see a general tolerance as long as you are legal. I am happy here. They even drive by patrol my place, so I feel pretty safe about not being broken into. Welcome to the area. Zeke
  18. Hello! How are you doing? Just wanted to stop by here and say hi! Hope all is going well with you. Zeke

  19. I haven't set up any Co2 generators yet. I have fresh air being piped in to provide natural Co2. Is there any new systems out there that will provide efficient generation at a fairly decent cost? I want to set this up but wanted to be sure I knew what the latest and greates was before investing. Any comments would be appreciated.
  20. How is your dispensary coming along? I haven't been there yet but was wondering how Adrian was coping with your shop.

  21. I personally like it when I hear of the law finding and destroying the illegal crops. I think it helps make our legally grown crop more valuable. My crop is grown under some pretty exacting conditions and my patients don't have to worry about pesticides and junk mixed up with their marijuana.
  22. It seems that California will try and collect sales tax on the Legal Marijuana, but their real cost savings will be in the laying off all of the support law enforcement that processes all of the arrrests of the people who are caught with marijuana. Only problem is that with all these people added to the unemployment doles, I don't think they will save as much as they think they will. Just a thought.
  23. I do see what you mean. I have spent about 15 grand on my grow rooms so far and I'd love to get a bit back on an ROI. I can agree with you though! As long as my patients are legal card holders, then I see your point about whatever they do with it after that would be their business. I have also heard of these co-ops where patients get their Care Givers Cards and then they double and triple and fourple their size of the the grow rooms. I don't know how they get around the 99 plants under one roof Federal stipulation. I'm happy to keep my crop at the legal limit, though you don't make a ton of money that way. I once saw a Bud Tender that had 6 large duffle bags full of Medical Marijuana buds. I don't want to be at any meeting that he's at with that kind of quantity. Legal or not! Zeke
  24. Jim, Sorry to hear your Dad won't talk about MM. My dad is also a retired cop and thinks the idea of MM is great! None of us here use it, but as long as we are legal growers, he thinks it's cool. We have several Lenawee County Deputy's coming out to my farm to hunt and they love my grow rooms. I don't know what the general consensus of the Lenewee County Sherriff's idea of MM, though I don't think it's too supportive of it, but at least the ones that come to my farm are supportive. I'm happy with that. Zeke
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