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  1. I think dispensaries are a wonderful idea... It's just that the dust hasn't even totally settled yet for personal MM action.. and cannabis businesses have never been thought out before so it's proving to be a bumpy road for them. But I think dispensaries don't have to be all evil money and med sucking entities... We just have to figure out all the rules of this particular type of business, and that may take a while, lol. Cannabis is still in its infancy in MI, hopefully it will be well nurtured till it grows up. Wise lawmaking and sterling actions will go a long way with that.
  2. couldn't find video.. But I did find the MM moratorium fact sheet from the meeting on the fourth.. It's a pdf, dunno how to post that.. so I'm gonna try cut copy paste, lol. CITY COUNCIL AGENDA FACT SHEET i!;;..!.;!;~~~" doption ofmoratorium regarding sale and dispensing ofmedical marihuana DISCUSSION: In 2008, 63% of Michigan's residents voted for an initiative to decriminalize the use of medical marihuana for persons having debilitating conditions as defined in the Michigan Medical Marihuana Act (MMMA). Since that time, communities throughout Michigan have taken diverse paths at addressing the issue of medical marihuana locally based upon their interpretations of the law. Actions have included adopting ordinances that permit the cultivation, dispensing, and use of medical marihuana; prohibiting the use of medical marihuana (typically based upon federal law); taking no action (maintaining the status quo, whatever that might be); or, implementing moratoriums. These actions reflect the angst of the varied communities regarding "...certain provisions and omissions in the Act [that] give rise to a legitimate basis for local.. .concern for the protection o f important public interests. I I (Fisher, White Paper: A Local Government View ofthe Michigan Medical Marihuana Act, p.3) Again, it should be stressed that the MMMA does not legalize the use of marihuana, it decriminalizes it possession and use under certain, specific conditions called out in the Act. It should also be noted that" ...the cultivation of marihuana continues to be a crime under federal law, even if for state sanctioned medicinal reasons .... " (Forsyth, Lansing MML Conference, March 2010) While Grand Rapids has taken a proactive stance on medical marihuana passing legislation allowing registered caregivers to operate as home occupations within residential neighborhoods, other communities prefer commercial zoning districts as locations for dispensing medical marihuana, and others still have taken actions that reflect the opposite end of the spectrum from the Grand Rapids' approach. The cities of Birmingham, Bloomfield Hills, and Livonia, all communities that adopted similar ordinances prohibiting the use or possession of marihuana that was not consistent with or was contrary to federal law, have recently been named in a suit filed by the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU Michigan). The ACLU has taken the position that local ordinances are preempted by state law; and as local governrnents are entities of the state, they lack the authority to enforce federal law. Municipal regulations must demonstrate a reasonable relationship or nexus between the exercise of a community's police power and the public's health, safety, morals, and general welfare; however, it is a generally accepted principle that "a court cannot interfere with the discretion of a legislative body so long as the body's action is not contrary to law or opposed to sound public policy." (Veldman v City of Grand Rapids, 275 Mich 100 (1936» But it is here that communities are finding it difficult to discern what is or is not contrary to the law and what is sound public policy related to medical marihuana. Given the inconsistencies and uncertainties that now exist in the Michigan Medical Marihuana Act many communities have let caution guide them in how they approach the issue. A moratorium, which is essentially a suspension ofaction or activity for a defmed period of time, in this case so that the law and policies surrounding medical marihuana can be further investigated, may be the answer. In August of this year at least 20 communities had adopted moratoriums or were considering adoption. As of December another half- dozen are studying the concept. Elected officials in communities throughout Michigan have expressed hope that state lawmakers will clarify the statute in the coming months, but given the complexities of amending or repealing an initiative measure, the state will probably not see major changes or amendments to the law forcing communities to develop policies based upon their own interpretation ofthe Act and any clarification that might be provided through the courts. Therefore, in order that the City of Monroe has ample time to review the Michigan Medical Marihuana Act and and develop a policy based upon this research and investigation, the Department of Planning & Recreation is submitting a moratorium prepared by the City Attorney for consideration. The Planning Office recommends adoption of the moratorium for a period of 180 days commencing immediately. CITY MANAGER RECOMMENDA TION: /j(( / ~ // L BE <-,/ t _"or / /f/'L::.£!tJ.fA/'---- For~itlirevisions or conditions DAgainst DNo Action TakenlRecommended APPROV AL DEADLINE: January 4,2011 REASON FOR DEADLINE: N/A ST AFF RECOMMENDA TION: ISJFor DAgainst REASON AGAINST: NIA FINANCES COST AND REVENUE PROJECTIONS: Cost of Total Project Cost of This Project Approval Related Annual Operating Cost Increased Revenue Expected/Year Account Number $N/A $NIA $NIA $NIA Amount $N/A $ $ $ $ $N/A $ $ $ DA TE: DA TE: 12.23.10 SOURCE OF FUNDS: Budget Approval: _ _ _ Other Funds OR GROUPS AFFECTED: Zoning, Planning, Building, Police, and Fire F ACT SHEET PREP ARED BY: Jeffrey Green, AICP - Interim Director I City B REVIEWED BY: Jeffrey Green, AICP -Interim Director I City Planner COUNCILMEETINGDATE: January4,2011 12.23.10 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 RESOLUTION WHEREAS, on December 4, 2008 the Michigan Medical Marijuana Act (MMMA), MCL 333.2641 et seq., took effect; and WHEREAS, the MMMA required the Michigan Department of Community Health to adopt rules within 120 days; and WHEREAS, on April 4, 2009 the Michigan Department of Community Health adopted rules for the implementation o f the Michigan Medical Marijuana Program (MMMP); and, WHEREAS, neither the MMMA nor the MMMP authorizes or regulates dispensaries for medical marijuana; and, WHEREAS, the City is exploring how best to regulate the distribution or dispensing of medical marijuana, which may require amendment to the Zoning Ordinance, as well as implementation o f other regulations. NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a moratorium of 180 days, commencing upon adoption ofthis resolution, is hereby declared on consideration or action to be taken by the City on any proposal for the establishment of a medical marijuana dispensary in the City, and that during the moratorium medical marijuana dispensaries shall not be permitted in the City. sorry, best I could come up with...
  3. Woot, congrats Diz!! You are brave, well phrased, and an incredible cook to boot!!
  4. The law of 12/4/08 being the general MM law? If so, that does not really cover cannabis businesses. Part of the reason it's taking a while for businesses is that it is a pretty gray and not mentioned area. These aren't patients growing at home or caregrowers taking care of patients. These are businesses and that's just different than homegrowers. For profit or not, businesses are handled by the town. Cannabis businesses should not be an exemption in any way. Personally, I think dispensaries are a wonderful idea. But since they are not currently covered by the law, it is wise for towns to seriously consider how to go about introducing the unique cannabis business to people. Cannabis buinesses can fall under more than one umbrella. They can sell hard goods (pipes, vapes, ect), dried herbs, food processed herbs, run greenhouses.. That stuff may have their own sorts of laws, but it's never been put together before for cannabis business laws. Not everyone will just be selling dried bud at a walkup window- nor will everyone be growing, cooking, and seated using in their shop either. It's a pretty big span of stuff to cover in between. I don't think towns are dragging their feet too much... After many decades of cannabis being totally illegal, I don't think a couple years worth of how to proceed wisely with businesses is all that bad. There may be towns in MI that won't see any need to table the issue for a few more years yet either because the demand won't be there. Perhaps by then the fledgling business and town ordinances we are now working on will have evolved enough to make good steady models for them. The dust is still settling for MM action.. It will take a while for the cannabis industry to get hammered out and accepted for the respectable and regular businesses that they can be. And they can be if we don't get all impatient and risk business laws that are crappy. Every time someone shows up for those meetings and speaks up for good law helps. So does running sterling examples of what cannabis businesses can be when they are allowed. Good examples and laws will in the long run provide better for cannabis businesses and thus their patrons. In the future I'd like to see cannabis businesses thought of in the light of pharmacies, greenhouses, and restaurants, and not looked down on like porno shops, strip clubs, and seedy bars. Wise lawmaking and actions now will go far in which way the image goes.
  5. Honestly... I'd rather towns do moratoriums to give themselves time to consider how to handle cannabis businesses than just say no business allowed. I also find it super funny that people gripe about an issue like this- a town deciding town businesses- griping that how dare those towns even think of denying people those businesses... But in a recent thread about Ann Arbor giving the go ahead to businesses, there's griping that the businesses will take over and squeeze homegrowers out. Then again, I seem to be one of the few folks that think cannabis businesses should always fall under the towns jurisdiction. I don't think cannabis should be treated any differently than the restaurant or laundry service down the road. I for sure want my businesses to be safely run and up to code. To me, it's not just get my meds and to hell with you if you won't give them to me how I want it. It's darn it, those meds should always be safe, always be responsibly handled, and if it takes a town a few more months to figure out how to accomplish that, fine.
  6. Sad part is they aren't reading it to remind themselves.. they are reading it to see what's outdated and needs to be changed! There's a whole ranty thread about this in another forum I am on, and it's pretty ugly. For instance supreme court justice Antonin Scalia said the 14th amendment was not written with women or gays in mind, and so those peoples should not really be considered under that amendment. Kind of scary to think that the kids on the hill might try to change our founding documents to suit their stupid.. Way too much to hope for that they will hold the constitution up word for word and bust down other laws... They got too much money on the line for that.
  7. I have one of those, inherited it from my grandma.. I wouldn't dream of cutting it up though.. that puppy can take a pair of frozen cornish hens at noon and out comes beautiful fall apart tender hens at five. Maybe if I ever run across a second one, lol.
  8. Ack, tazers are illegal in MI? I didn't know that! WTF is that all about Much safer than a gun, even if you miss for some odd reason it isn't damaging to the surrounds. I'm all good with guns, but yeah, pretty odd that the non lethal choice is out
  9. wow, this ripper thing has really got under my skin... Now that I know what it is, lmao! I am still in the city, so right now I can't have a firearm... But I do keep meathooks by the front and back doors- a beef side at the front door, and a pork side by the back door. Also keep a double headed battle axe on my desk, and an assassins stiletto on my nightstand. And a burglar (got noting to rip, lol) better stay out of my workshop while I'm in it, or they are mincemeat. A nice alternative to toxic bug spray is pepperspray- Don't even have to buy the fancy stuff in a can, a homemade mix in spray bottles works well too Tazers are also awesome And guns... what ever happened to using rock salt in shotguns? Won't quite kill usually, but sure does leave a person with the story of "don't go there, they will shoot yer arse full of salt!" An interesting one a buddy of mine told me about- if you have a room that needs protecting (like a grow room) and isn't close to your main living quarter.. say the room is in the basement, and your regular rest of the house is upstairs.. rig any entry points with a shreeker. It works by putting out a loud noise when the circuit is broken via opening the door, window, ect. I'm not sure how he did it, but he connected his with the shreeker from a fire detector so it's super extra loud. Ya can really disorient and blow someones ears that way. Not quite so useful to make em super loud if the doors your are connecting are close enough to blow your own ears. But the regular shreekers still work great for that, still startles the snot out of the person breaking in, and can give you valuable moments to do something about the situation. Of course, making sure your doors are solid core is wise. So are installing breaker bars- like the flip latches you see on hotel doors. Just installing one a few inches above your regular lock or below the knob can really help add some time to kicking a door in. Adding one halfway between the lock and top, and another halfway between knob and bottom is extra helpful. So is making sure you have three instead of two hinges on the door. Adhesive window films can help make windows harder to break in too- if you apply it snug and tight. Not the water kind you use on car windows, use the sticky kind meant for house windows. Acts sort of like the film that covers safety glass in windshields. Liquid glass can work like that too I've heard. I use it, but never had one of those windows broken, so I don't know how well it works, lol. Amusingly, a fun outdoor deterrent are scat sprayers- but they can only be used during non-freezing weather. Those hook up to your garden hose and have a little motion sensor on them so they turn on and spray animals, scaring them off. Those can work pretty decently on humans too, apparently we don't like getting suddenly wet any more than the animals do, lol. A lovely way to help protect lower windows is with trellises-preferably with something growing on them, lol. Make sure they are sturdy enough to slow down someone breaking in and support your plants, but not worthy of trying to use to get a leg up to higher window action. Roses and well groomed raspberries work nicely. Make sure you attach it at the top by the window- keeps the trellis from directly laying on the house, and makes it harder for a robber to just pull down to get at the window. If you do window boxes with minis, like rambling strawberries- you can have the added benefit of just opening your window to harvest yummy stuff!
  10. woo-hoo Dexter!! I remember Mr. Cat (a huge peach friendly cat roaming the neighborhood) and the Dexter cider mill fondly Now they will have awesome corned beef sandwiches and a dispensary? extra kickass!!
  11. er, so a ripper is a burglar? Or a MM burglar?
  12. Stuff like this makes me think that just flat out legalizing all around would be a wise idea... Of course the MM folks are going to increasingly become targets to this sort of thing.. Robbers know darn well where that source is, compared to not knowing where underground sources are. Image if anyone could have a couple plants in their yard... there would be no reason to break into places to try getting it.
  13. I hate to be a poo... but to the authorities, your 19 months is worthless. Just as much as a person who is jailed and then later released when found innocent, their time is worthless too.. Don't even get paid in an apology more often than not. I find it sad when the authorities eff it up that there really isn't any recourse for wrecking part of someones life. There is no such thing as innocent till proven guilty anymore in our nation. But on the other side of things... To everyone in the cannabis fight, your 19 months are priceless, and so are the months of many other people that get roped into becoming active players in the government vs citizens game.
  14. well that's tragic I sort of wonder if the binder was right behind the business, or in another alley? The article wasn't super clear on that. If it was by the business, probably bust the owners. If it was in another alley, there might need to be some further investigation on just how that binder got there- might end up leading to an employee doing something stupid rather than the owners. Never can tell, maybe it was a drop that the guy accidentally intercepted. Still horrid though.
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