Innovative_Induction

Steve, 1. Why the heck are you hung up on my location and fax number? 2. I have offices and location in KY, California and New Jersey and I some time work from the beach in North Carolina. I really can’t see how my physical location means bupkis about induction and grow lighting. Please stay on point. We (Innovative Induction lighting ) IIL sales products all across the unites states and Mexico and do very well providing excellent products to Graybar, Rexel, CES, CED and 7 of the top ten electrical supply houses. We have pilot projects going on with organic grow shops in our area and independent growers so get off the reputation. WE ARE LIGIT. Next point 3. Testing. Yes we have testing and reports from the manufacture and several plant light professionals so we are not selling smoke and mirrors. The report is 48 pages and filled with par levels on almost every plant light source out there and written by an induction professional who sole job is to consult with induction companies in China to build a better light. If you weren’t so obstinateI would have already sent them to you. 4. Answer the question do you work for iGrow? From your closed mind and blog site it is apparent that you are/were or going to be compensated by iGrow for selling their product. You even branded the page with their logos. And for the record the single spectrum light and ballast landed cost in the USA is less than $300 bucks. To charge 4 times that price is what? One hell of a great fixture for 900 bucks? 5. Are you an induction professional? Have you been to china to see the manufacturing process? Man, I didn’t want to throw all the dirt out there and go scorched earth but you have forced me to iGrow is partnered with Everlast. Go to http://www.everlastlight.com/company/about-us.html and the go to http://www.igrowlights.com/index.php/about-us Everlast buys their lights from JK lighting in China. I have been to the manufacturing plant in China. I have seen the manufacturing process, have you? 6. Can you tell me the difference between slander and the truth? 7. Can you provide us with the iGrow PAR charts? SteveyG, I am just trying to keep the growers from being screwed. Hell buddy if you want a single spectrum I will be happy to sale you one for half of what you are paying now. Wow we have both wasted enough time on this but at least the truth is out there.

Sorry Guys I don't mean to harass but sometimes you have to tell it like it is. A spade is a spade Yes we have products for sale and will be launching our plant light product line in a couple of days but we are being very careful. We have the final field tests coming back in from several professional growers that have used both the single and double spectrum products. I originally got into this forum to learn and find other professional growers to give us feedback. I apologize to SteveyG but I am an induction professional and know more about the market, manufacturing and availability of products than almost anyone in the USA. We are not going into this to be a main stay business we are adding this to our already established business because YOU the growers are being exploited just BECAUSE you are a grower. In defense of growers like SteveyG, let's call them “Super users” they may want or need the power of a single spectrum bulb because of their set up and desires. I perturbs me that SteveyG is writing us off and lump us in to a group along with companies that sale non-UL single spectrum cheap products is not right. We have researched and tested our products long before we decided to come to market. And will be offering single and double spectrum lights. I apologize again if I offended but sorry guys as much as you guys know about growing is as much as I know about induction lighting. You are promisted a gold mine just to buy a $1,200 single spectrum and then another flowering lamp for $500 bucks is the shaft.

@ SteveyG I assure I am not just pulling the wool over everyone eyes. my question to you you if they are not a standard induction lamp then whay do they only work on a single spectrum? Why do you need to purchase an additional flowering light to get the bloom? Believe me Sir I know exactly what iGrow is buying and the lamp source in China. I am an induction professional and I know of what I speak. unless you are usng a multi-spectrum light you ARE using a standard blue only tunnel light hyped up to be a grow light. And YES we have a 48 page report on our products that explanes in detail the differences and why a dual spectrum is the better solution. If you are paying $1,200 bucks and you are happy then more power to you and your support for induction as an alternative to HID but Sir you are paying way more than you need to, it's just that simple. Do you have the par spectrum on the iGrow light? I can not find one any where. I see smoke and mirrors. I admire your passion and sticking to your guns but the simple truth is dual spectrum is better than a single light spectrum. Don't get me wrong the standard off the shelf induction 5000k is an excelent grow light but it is time to pull back the curtin and expose the truth. the truth is a single spectrum light is a standard light.

@ SteveyG I cannot argue with you about the quality light Induction lights puts out. My problem is the cost of their igrow products and the fact that they need you to purchase two lamps in order to get full spectrum. Just because the products are a "GROW/PLANT" light does not mean they have to price gouge growers. You are using a standard white off the shelf tunnel light as the veg light and we sale those for only $575 for customers that have used them as tunnel lights and linear highbays. Sorry they are standard products igrow is marking up to double price since you are a plant grower. When you ask igrow about par levels they back peddle and do not provide any information. We offer a Dual spectrum fixture with the blue spectrum and the red spectrum for flowing. Our cost is half that of igrow and there is no need to swap bulbs. Induction rock but you need to think about a better light source. We are finishing the final testing from our independent partners who are about to go full cycle with our multi-spectrum induction grow lights.

I do understand the nees to see the results but I want to verify with documentation and actual results. I will post some pictures and test results as well as a 40+ page full report on manufactures grow prohects on my website. If any onts the report thay can hit me offline since this is not an advertising forum. Joe

@ Kingdiamond I do not have any final pics of the grows done on the multi-spectrum products yet. I am not new to the lighting game but new to the plant light market. I do have a bunch of white papers that have TONS of great information on the grows done by the manufacture but none of my own or my testing partners.

If the last post was directed at me I don't understand the question.

Hi everyone, I can speak a great deal about induction and Induction plant lights. I run the risk of getting kicked out of the forum as I have from all the other sited because they want me to pay to be an advertiser. So I will leave the sales out of the sales pitch. But you guys deserve to know the truth. The Products sold by IG is a single spectrum standard induction light. This is the same light you would use if you wanted to light a parking garage or any commercial property. This "standard: product is a fantastic vegetation light by nature because of the blue spectrum is outstanding. See the attached picture of PAR curve. We have done some testing at the local organic grow shop. Cost on these is published on the net of $1,200. What IG is doing is sell the customer a second flowering light for an additional charge of $400. The flowering bulb has the red spectrum needed for flowing plants to bloom. A much better solution is to use a multi-spectrum lamp that includes vegetative and flowering spectrums. See attached pic of multi-spectrum products PAR curve. This is the product we are testing light now with GREAT results. These tests are being done by professional plant growers in the field under their own conditions so we get a good idea on actual performance. Cost on these should be around the $700 mark in an IP20 fixture ready to hang. This fixture is enclosed rectangle with a built in reflector and external ballast box mounted to the top of the fixture and not some cheap shield with a ballast slapped on a reflector. As an induction professional I find it atrocious and offensive that a company can slap a label on a product call it a plant light and price gouge the market.