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DavidMcGhee

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  1. I dont think you can because the DL bonds to strongly with the np chemicals it mixes with. It would have to be used for something that is not effected by the orange odor. DL is made from oranges or orange peels and is very strong aromatically. It is not toxic but hard to remove. I think you would have to perform a BA wash or something similar. It would not be worth the trouble though. There are other better choices for what DL would be used for. What I used it for were sep washes where the DL was used to collect the trash and then thrown away. It was used in place of naphtha or hexane.
  2. Are cannabis CBD extractions illegal? I thought they were legal in all 50 states. Understanding how to target legal chemicals and avoid illegal chemicals is important to that process of staying legal. The laws are changing every year. I was driving with a customer in NOCAL about 5 years ago and he was very discreet all the time. I made the comment that soon the police will be stopping traffic for a truck transporting MJ or CBD.. Now they do. They guard transporters and money as it is moved from place to place. It is a normal process evolving into a normal thing. Just like many other plants and chemicals before. They come and go.
  3. You guys are right but we are talking about the very aromatic lighter terpenes as the target here. Isoprenes can form very light terpenes that are linear or rings and can stack many times and get heavier as they do. Those are boiled away at higher temps. Smelling can be a way to see what is present and with very acute senses you can be somewhat accurate but nothing compared to an assay from a quantitative analysis. The whole point is that this post is asking a question about what is best efficient and easy and to be the best you have to shed some light on the science in the process. the various boiling points of these terpenes determines the approach we must take. Mostly because of the polarity of the solvent and target. Other than a BA process or base acid wash this is the method employed. And a Base Acid wash would still be done after it is in liquid phase. All these solvent choices are critical to ensuring the target is not lost in all those processes.
  4. I did not say or mean it is the only solvent that leaves terpenes behind. It is the only solvent we consider safe that leaves the terpenes behind. It is the lowest boiling point solvent that lends itself to being recovered pump free using distillation. Isobutane is 2nd choice because butane is more selective in what it targets. IF that were not the case iso would be better. A lot of solvents extract and leave behind terpenes but the lower the boiling point during removal the better. But if you go too low then you have to use a pump. That is not a reach in making that statement.
  5. Please allow me to introduce myself so that what I share below may be carefully considered in such a brief explanation. I am the owner of Tamisium Extractors and hold the patent on the process that 1000s of people are using to produce extractions. I have read in this forum some post that may be misleading and wanted to extend my assistance to help all that own a tamisium or any extractor and may be reading this post. It is important to understand some basic principles of physics in order to run a system efficiently and know how to run it pump free if it can be. Running efficiently and pump free will open many doors in regards to what one can do when targeting or avoiding specific chemical compounds created by a plant. It is important to lay down some specifications to clear up some misconceptions for the base models which is important in understanding how an extractor can perform. In addition I will cover some key features and capabilities of the advanced models that are run by a computer. Lets get into the physics of extraction and extractors so you will know what a system should be capable of doing. After all you are buying an extractor to extract with. So you should understand extraction first and then select your extractor. It has become all too common for an extractor to be built by someone that has not fully understood extraction while using the customer to teach them the shortcomings. We extracted for 15 years before selling this system to the public. It is important to understand that with a solvent tank that is properly matched to the plant column it is possible to perform an extraction at any speed any temperature with any combination of solvents. That solvent tank is carefully designed can allow you to recover your flammable solvents while under pressure without the aid of pumps of any kind. It cost a little more to do that but it is safer and cheaper for the customer.The other cheaper way is only cheaper for the manufacturer. A pump system always fails, breaks down and has to be repaired replaced and rebuilt while risking your safety to do it and eliminating all your controls. Let me explain. Properly matched volumes, or proper loading ratios, means that you are using a solvent tank that holds an adequate amount of solvent to dissolve and wash out everything the plant has produced that is contained in that volume of space in the plant column. So long as the solvents polarity matches the polarity of what you are dissolving you will be able to target a specific chemical compound or array and extract all of it out.You use heat and time to increase OR decrease the effectiveness of the solvent to do that. Using a system that is not volumized means you are not using enough solvent to extract everything from the plant and are therefore forced to recover it and LOOP it back through over and over again. Imagine that this looping adds extreme contact times and can possibly darken or extract unwanted compounds. The users are forced to reduce the solvent temperature with cold dry ice sleeves in an archaic attempt to decrease the effectiveness of the solvents ability to dissolve things such as wax lipids or dark chemical compounds. It would make more sense to make a larger solvent tank and extract faster with mild cold temps. By reducing time temp and changing polarity you can avoid and include just about anything. By adding time and temp you are including everything based on polarity match. Example, Wax does not melt at freezing temps but if given enough time it will be dissolved in butane because it matches the polarity of butane. Oil comes out first and wax is second because oil is easier to dissolve so dont give it the time or temp. Ethanol melts ice by mixing with the water molecules in the ice and changing their melting point to match the avg of the ice and waters melting points based on their % of mixture. Ice does not melt below 32F and would not be dissolved by Butane because they are opposite polarity. Drop them in ethanol and you will see that depending on the temperature of the ethanol they will dissolve at various speeds. We use these basic principles of chemistry to target and avoid. So it is imperative to be able to control, turn on or off or change, temperature, contact time, and polarity and then be able to repeat that with a properly volumized solvent tank and plant column. It is more complicated than just being able to move solvent and recover it. Another key feature of a Tamisium that not only allows you to be pump free but also allows you to extract silently and safely are the tanks designs.When designing any system that uses evaporation either induced by an unsafe artificial recovery process or distillation it is vital that you build a fast evaporation tank. Much like when you are cooking and trying to reduce a liquid. It would be faster in a short fat pan than a narrow tall pan. There is a carefully calculated ratio of time, temperature height, width, conduction, convection and surface areas that allow a passive closed system to run smoothly and SAFELY as the solvent evaporates away from one tank to the other. You should be able to look at a system to establish if the designer knows how to build tanks or knows how to build extractors. The seals on the tanks cannot be borrowed from a sanitary industry that deals with liquids like Milk, Cooking oils, Water and so on. Those solvents are not as aggressive as the solvents used in a lab and you will develop premature unpredictable seal failures.Combine those failures with a noisy operation that disables you ability to hear a leak and the failure will result in an ignition and possible fire or explosion. Especially when that noise is caused by a reciprocating engine that will fail. Every heard of the 100k mile warranty. And yeah, explosion proof is cool, but not when it fails. TE175 has a 175 milliliter space in the plant column which holds 2 ounces. All systems above that in size are built in 4x capacity meaning a TE700 is 4x larger and so on. That extractor is designed to recover in 60 minutes using only ice as the condensing temp input. That is a worst case scenario so as not to over promise results. Higher wattage cooling can reduce recovery time to 15 minutes. These results are with pure butane that does not have propane mixed with it. Propane boils at -55F and creates a higher pressure that prevents butane from boiling which boils at 32F. Using mixed lighter fuels that add propane because they require lower temps to boil so that a lighter will work in a larger range of temps will cause problems in a distillation process. That will prevent you from recovering all your solvent at any decent rate of speed because solvent evaporate in the order of boiling points. Lower point first. All butane solvents in all extracts can easily be reduced to 5 ppm and 0 if desired. The TE700 is designed to work with 1 recovery tank in 4 hours with ice. However it is a common fact that 20 minute recovery times can be achieved with higher wattage cooling. An example of how wattage in cooling can deliver these speeds can be seen on another forum here. This customer along with many are recovering in 20 minutes. I am not talking about a loop process that brags about recovering the solvent while hiding the fact that have to do that 3 or 4 times while looping it through to complete the extraction. I am talking about recovering at one time 4x the solvent that the plant column would hold. https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=7275092#post7275092 Then you have the TE3000 and TE12000. TE3000 1 kilo extractor is capable of performing 8 extractions per day with low wattage cooling and many more with higher wattage cooling. This higher wattage can allow as many as 24 extractions per day. TE12000 designed worst case scenario with low wattage will extract and recover from 10 pounds 3x per day but can run as many as 12 runs or 120 pounds per day with high wattage cooling. These extractors can do this all while allowing you to extract as fast as you want to avoid darker extractions, eliminating the need for dry ice sleeves and or as cold as you want or as slow and warm as you want with any combination of solvent to target or avoid anything in any plant. If there are any questions please post and please stay on topic. If you are a competitor and want to compare systems please disclose who you are. Everyone will know who you are when all your comments are negative without any desire for an answer. I will answer your questions so long as I am not teaching you how to build an extractor. The images below demonstrate the vast amount of data that should be available in an extraction process. This is the data that one creates and repeats to create the variety of products an extractor should allow you to create. If it does not allow you to do this then you are running half full if that. This data does not just keep up with temperatures, fill speeds and solvent combinations, it correlates that recipe or formula with an analysis of the output and learns from what it did every time it runs. In other words it plots a three point graph and then fills in the rest of the plots on the curve it created so you dont have to do anything else. The data is compiled from all our customers on the network. This is a Tamisium Extractor. The smaller manual operations can do exactly the same thing but the user has to know what is capable. Looking at the computer run model can help you see that. It is only then that you can see where all the extractor processes are in regards to being fully capable of not. For those that just dont seem to get it. No problem because we do and we have an automated solution for you. The 2nd image is of a 2 Solvent Tank System which is a hybrid of liquid heating and cooling and removable silicone jackets. Other options are all liquid heating and cooling jacketed tanks which omit the 2nd Solvent tank as shown. This option requires higher wattage cooling but that equates to lower cost double production times with one tank as shown in the manual systems described above. As you can see in the following photos you can select from not only butane but any solvent with a lower pressure than isobutane. Any solvent or combination of solvents formulas can be created stored and retrieved for future use by simply choosing it from the list of stored solvent formulas. The reason for this is a tamisium process is a safer process but only when it can avoid the use of any reciprocating pump to recover any pressurized flammable solvent. That means you are limited to solvents that can be distilled at practical temperatures. Propane boils and condenses at -55F which is not practical and should be avoided. In addition, propane is avoided because it is not as selective as butane when extracting non polar chemicals compounds. When selecting a solvent to target you want one that is very selective so you can sort of tune in on what you want and vary widen the target if needed. Using a non selective solvent like CO2 or propane is sort of like buying a stereo with a volume control that goes from 4-10 rather than 1-10. A lot of people ask how I came up with the name Tamisium. I did not come up with the name. I borrowed it from the Latin Language. Tamisium is a Latin word that simply means to filter or sieve. We are immersing plant matter or any medium in a liquid solvent that matches the polarity of the target in the plant matter. We use Time and Temperature to increase or limit the solvents ability to do that. Then we wash it out and filter the plant matter away as we rinse it clean with an appropriate amount of solvent. Tamisium is a word best suited for the title. To be clear, a SOLVEnt is anything that disSOLVEs anything else. This can be a gas like CO2 or a liquid like Water Ethanol or Pet Ether. That mixture is then called a Solute. When they are separated again, the solvent is a solvent again and the remaining extract is either called a Concrete, Absolute or Essential Oil in the case of oils. What most do not know is that the first extraction phase from the plant is called a solid to liquid phase extraction. It is when the chemical compounds are put into this liquid phase that normally precedes the true extraction or isolation. Because now the molecules extracted are mobile in a sort of liquid hightway system that allows them to be moved apart and isolated based on their physical properties such as size, weight, boiling point if they are a liquid that boils or sublimation temperature if they are a solid that vaporizes. All condense at some point and can even have their polarity changed and changed back again so they can be separated in a simple separator funnel such as when isolating alkaloids or acids by base and acid washes. Butane is the safest of all the solvent choices because it is the only solvent that boils at a low enough temp to be effective at extracting and leaving behind terpenes after it is removed. IT IS non toxic unlike some of the other flammable choices. AND it can be removed by distillation alone. There is no safer way to recover a flammable solvent than by simply dropping its temperature to a point that would freeze water. The dangers are in the extraction process, not the solvents used. Just like a gun or car. I understand the extraction process very well and can answer questions if anyone has anything they want to ask. My goal is to help you extract VERY well from anything and to learn how to extract safely. Kind Regards David McGhee Tamisium Extractors CEO.
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