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  1. That's what has us so confused as well... We don't advertise that we grow, don't have parties at our home, we have very few visitors, no neighbors to tinkle off, we live miles down a dirt road and my property is surrounded on all sides with thick pines. Hell, even our children who live here have no idea I grow anything in the building that I am using. Our patients all have legitimate medical conditions (cancer, brain tumors, glaucoma, chronic pain from numerous back surgeries, etc) and all got their recommendations from their family doctors, not one of those doctors that gives everyone that walks into their office and pays a fee cards... I took every possible precaution and spent a ton of time, money, and effort in covering all my bases. To say the last thing I ever expected (especially since I am well within my limits and followed the law to the letter) was police officers at my door telling me they where concerned that I was in violation of the law would be a huge understatement.
  2. The only family members that know I grow are pro-marijuana themselves and very supportive of me growing. None of them have any motivation to call on me, whatsoever.. I talked to them, and they where as upset as I am about the situation. The couple of very close family members that know also know the importance of not telling other people about it. I use a separate phone # I give my patients that is from an online SIP provider and is registered to a made up name using a prepaid card, no way it can be tracked to me. I also have a separate email account that was registered to someone that doesn't exist for all MMMA related activities online, and this false name is what I use for ordering my hydroponic supplies. I own the building, but like I said I took great effort to make it well insulated, sound proof, 100% sealed, with no outwardly visible vents. It just looks like an old storage building. We have a 10 acre property and the building is a long ways from the house and driveway so no one is ever really near it. And I don't grow outside and like I said my grow is carbon filtered and 100% sealed so no smell escapes the building. At this point though the way they found out is pretty irrelevant, what is relevant is the fact that they showed up at my home illegally, acted like I was the criminal, made thinly veiled threats about raiding my home and me having kids here, demanded that I give up my Constitutional rights against unreasonable searches, and threateningly telling me they will be back when I refuse their scare tactics.... even though they had zero probable cause or articulable evidence that I committed ANY crime. EVEN IF THEY HAD EVIDENCE I WAS GROWING MARIJUANA DOING SO IS NOT A CRIME AND SHOULD NOT BE TREATED AS SUCH UNLESS SOMEONE IS FOUND TO BE IN VIOLATION OF THE LAW.
  3. Yes I talked to our patients, they had no police contact. All our patients are very happy with us. Never any issues there. I never went to any dispensaries, nor have any of my patients to my knowledge. Me and my patients all got our recommendations from our personal family physicians, no raids as far as I know. I've never given my name or address to any hydro stores, and I purchase a lot of my supplies from ebay/amazon which get delivered in plain boxes... There is NOTHING visible outdoors that would indicate I am growing anything in the building. It's just a small 3000w indoor grow... couple of lights 10-20 plants max (this is including clones, and I am legal for a lot more than this)... very sealed and securely locked down with padlock + dead bolt + motion sensors + alarm + video cameras + carbon filtration to kill any smell. I even went as far as hiding intake and exhausts under the building to avoid FLIR detection from overhead helicopters and to eliminate any hot air being vented outside that they could detect. Building is well insulated both on the walls and ceiling. 100% sealed environment with co2 generator. I am at a loss and it makes me sick that our government is using my tax money to fund armed men unlawfully entering my property and treating me like a criminal when I'm the one following the law... simply for growing a medicinal herb that has never caused a single overdose death and which has scientifically been proven to help treat many conditions while being far less addictive and far less intoxicating than many potentially fatal liver toxic pharmaceutical drugs.
  4. I found it most concerning that Sanilac County DTF had entered my property illegally. They came without a warrant, without probable cause to believe a crime had been committed, and where not responding to an emergency so simply stepping foot on my property was illegally trespassing. The only people that have any idea I am growing a VERY close family members (Mother, Grandparents, and my Uncle) and the couple of patients we have... none of which have any reason to call and make an "anonymous tip" about me growing so I am very skeptical of DTF's claims. I don't sell to anyone who is not my patient, ever. We live in a rural area, our only neighbors for almost a mile are fields and woods and we have thick trees around our entire property that completely block visibility from the road. We leave nothing growing related in plain view.All growing is done in a completely sealed building (separate from our house) and we use carbon filters to keep smell non-existent. We burn all plant material and growing related items and don't have trash pickup. I have a 3'x3' "No Trespassing" sign clearly posted and visible from the road. Thier very presence on my property was in violation of MCL § 750.552. Pay special attention to the wording of the parts that I put in bold & underline and note the fact that they never requested my permission to be on my property. THE MICHIGAN PENAL CODE (EXCERPT) Act 328 of 1931 750.552 Trespass upon lands or premises of another; exception; violation; penalty; "process server" defined. Sec. 552. (1) Except as otherwise provided in subsection (2), a person shall not do any of the following: (a) Enter the lands or premises of another without lawful authority after having been forbidden to do so by the owner or occupant or the agent of the owner or occupant. (b) Remain without lawful authority on the land or premises of another after being notified to depart by the owner or occupant or the agent of the owner or occupant. © Enter or remain without lawful authority on fenced or posted farm property of another person without the consent of the owner or his or her lessee or agent. A request to leave the premises is not a necessary element for a violation of this subdivision. This subdivision does not apply to a person who is in the process of attempting, by the most direct route, to contact the owner or his or her lessee or agent to request consent. (2) Subsection (1) does not apply to a process server who is on the land or premises of another while in the process of attempting, by the most direct route, to serve process upon any of the following: (a) An owner or occupant of the land or premises. (b) An agent of the owner or occupant of the land or premises. © A lessee of the land or premises. (3) A person who violates subsection (1) is guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment in the county jail for not more than 30 days or by a fine of not more than $250.00, or both. (4) As used in this section, "process server" means a person authorized under the revised judicature act of 1961, 1961 PA 236, MCL 600.101 to 600.9947, or supreme court rule to serve process. History: Add. 1951, Act 102, Imd. Eff. May 31, 1951 ;-- Am. 2007, Act 167, Eff. Mar. 20, 2008 ;-- Am. 2013, Act 230, Imd. Eff. Dec. 26, 2013 Source: http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(mxogxlbuv2buumdux0h5zxvt))/mileg.aspx?page=GetObject&objectname=mcl-750-552
  5. I wish I could attend but being I am now a target for law enforcement I am afraid that doing so will bring further harassment on my family. It's a real catch 22. That's the reason I didn't consent to any searches, I too have read the horror stories of legal patients giving LEO consent and having terrible things happen because of it. Well I'm hoping this won't happen... anything that isn't burnable goes into the dumpster at my wife's work. And we burn all plant material on part of my property that isn't accessible from neighboring properties. Thank you so much for the kind offer. Hopefully I never have to take you up on it. I don't see any reason for them to come back either but I have heard horror stories of police getting caught doing some pretty shady things to get illegal search warrants signed so I have to operate like they could show back up at any time. I definitely considered showing them our cards and plants just to show them we are legal but I have heard horror stories about people ending up being raided by the DEA after allowing local law enforcement to search grows that 100% complied with state laws and decided it would be best to tell and show the police nothing. I am quite upset that they showed up at my home with guns, illegally trespassed, and used intimidation and threats to try to coerce me into giving up my constitutional rights and now have forced my family to live in fear like we are criminals when they had absolutely zero evidence of this being the case. We burn all our plant material and growing related trash in a deep pit and my wife takes non-burnables to her dumpster @ work (never anything related to growing). I am using wireless ip cameras connected to my wireless network and use a computer running free software to record any motion or sound and upload my recordings to my youtube account automatically (the recordings are set to private so only I can read them). These are the cameras I am using... http://www.ebay.com/itm/371284348831 I have my wireless router, modem, and computer that is recording and uploading videos on an Uninterruptible Power Supply so if I lose power my recordings and uploading to youtube will still continue. http://www.amazon.com/APC-BE550G-Back-UPS-8-outlet-Uninterruptible/dp/B0019804U8/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1434216590&sr=1-1&keywords=UPS And this is the software I use on a windows PC to record motion and sounds, and upload them to youtube automatically: http://www.ispyconnect.com/
  6. I also had that same thought and question in the back of my head though I didn't vocalize it. They had badges hanging from their neck but I didn't closely inspect them as I was talking to them through the (closed and locked) screen door on my enclosed porch. They identified themselves as being Detectives from the Sanilac County Drug Task force. None of the responses I gave would indicate whether or not I was growing, only that I didn't know what they where talking about and that I have never been involved in any illegal activity.
  7. I have cameras setup (that record to a DVR + stream live recordings to youtube) and I have an app on my phone that records + streams to the internet and plan on having it running if they come back from any reason. I'm assuming they can't get a search warrant as I've never sold to anyone that didn't sign us up as their caregiver, and the only patients that have us as their caregiver are people we personally knew so I know I've never sold to any undercover officers. My grow is in a separate building from my house, is very securely locked and enclosed, and I use a 100% sealed setup and carbon filtration to ensure no smell escapes the building so they can't use smell as an excuse to get a warrant. I run a tight ship to the point where my children and close family members had no idea that I was growing. I have a small setup (under 3000 watts total) and two houses on my electric bill so electric usage and FLIR are a non-issue. Between me and my wife we are legal for over 100 plants but never have more than 10-20 plants growing at one time. I also have much less dried and usable meds on hand than I am legally permitted. I also assume that if they had evidence that I broke any laws they would have got a search warrant and brought it with them by now instead of giving me weeks to get rid of everything and destroy evidence.
  8. I live in Sanilac County. About two weeks ago two plain clothed Detectives from the Sanilac County Drug Task Force pulled into my driveway in unmarked vehicles and came to my door asking for me by name and claiming they had an "anonymous tip" that I was growing marijuana and they were concerned that I might be over my limit. Knowing I wasn't anywhere near over my limit and that I was in total compliance of the law I explained to them that they had bad information, I had no idea what they were talking about, and I asked the officer if he had reason to believe I had committed a crime. The officer's response was "No, we don't have any reason to think you have committed a crime. We just want to verify that you are in compliance and don't have more plants growing than you are legally allowed to have. We do this as courtesy in case someone is growing legally. All you have to do is show us your cards and your plants and then we will be out of your hair." I responded that I didn't feel it was very courteous to be accused of possibly breaking the law when there was no reason to believe I have committed a crime and have strangers with guns come to my home to try and coerce me into give up my 4th amendment protections against unreasonable search and seizure based on an unsubstantiated "tip". I expressed that we lived in America and citizens shouldn't be treated like they are guilty until proven innocent or be required to show their "papers" if there is no proof they committed a crime. As soon as I made it clear I wasn't going to give into their bullying tactics and be intimidated into giving up my rights the 2nd officer got even more intimidating. He said "Look, we are doing this so legal caregivers don't get raided. You got kids here." At which point I told them that if they don't have a warrant, probable cause to believe that I have committed a crime, and if they aren't responding to an emergency that their presence on my property without my verbal or written consent was in violation of Michigan State Law and I was concerned about the fact that they are illegally trespassing on my property. This obviously and visibly irritated the detectives... One of them told me "Ok, if that's how you want to play things we'll be back!" and they stormed off into their vehicles and sped out of my driveway. Me, my wife, and my kids (who heard everything the officers said and who knew nothing about marijuana or that I was growing before the visit) now live in fear of armed stormtroopers raiding our property and potentially hurting or killing one of my family members or our pets and seizing all of our property in spite of the fact that I have never been over my limit and never sold anything to anyone that wasn't one of our registered patients. I am also afraid that if I start showing up at local town hall meetings and speaking out to the community me and my family will be targets of further intimidation and potentially raided and have property seized before we are even convicted of a crime. I found it most concerning that Sanilac County DTF had entered my property illegally. They came without a warrant, without probable cause to believe a crime had been committed, and where not responding to an emergency so simply stepping foot on my property was illegally trespassing. The only people that have any idea I am growing a VERY close family members (Mother, Grandparents, and my Uncle) and the couple of patients we have... none of which have any reason to call and make an "anonymous tip" about me growing so I am very skeptical of DTF's claims. I don't sell to anyone who is not my patient, ever. We live in a rural area, our only neighbors for almost a mile are fields and woods and we have thick trees around our entire property that completely block visibility from the road. We leave nothing growing related in plain view.All growing is done in a completely sealed building (separate from our house) and we use carbon filters to keep smell non-existent. We burn all plant material and growing related items and don't have trash pickup. I have a 3'x3' "No Trespassing" sign clearly posted and visible from the road. There very presence on my property was in violation of MCL § 750.552. Pay special attention to the wording of the parts that I put in bold & underline and note the fact that they never requested my permission to be on my property. THE MICHIGAN PENAL CODE (EXCERPT) Act 328 of 1931 750.552 Trespass upon lands or premises of another; exception; violation; penalty; "process server" defined. Sec. 552. (1) Except as otherwise provided in subsection (2), a person shall not do any of the following: (a) Enter the lands or premises of another without lawful authority after having been forbidden to do so by the owner or occupant or the agent of the owner or occupant. (b) Remain without lawful authority on the land or premises of another after being notified to depart by the owner or occupant or the agent of the owner or occupant. © Enter or remain without lawful authority on fenced or posted farm property of another person without the consent of the owner or his or her lessee or agent. A request to leave the premises is not a necessary element for a violation of this subdivision. This subdivision does not apply to a person who is in the process of attempting, by the most direct route, to contact the owner or his or her lessee or agent to request consent. (2) Subsection (1) does not apply to a process server who is on the land or premises of another while in the process of attempting, by the most direct route, to serve process upon any of the following: (a) An owner or occupant of the land or premises. (b) An agent of the owner or occupant of the land or premises. © A lessee of the land or premises. (3) A person who violates subsection (1) is guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment in the county jail for not more than 30 days or by a fine of not more than $250.00, or both. (4) As used in this section, "process server" means a person authorized under the revised judicature act of 1961, 1961 PA 236, MCL 600.101 to 600.9947, or supreme court rule to serve process. History: Add. 1951, Act 102, Imd. Eff. May 31, 1951 ;-- Am. 2007, Act 167, Eff. Mar. 20, 2008 ;-- Am. 2013, Act 230, Imd. Eff. Dec. 26, 2013 Source: http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(mxogxlbuv2buumdux0h5zxvt))/mileg.aspx?page=GetObject&objectname=mcl-750-552
  9. Thanks for the reply! I was under this impression as well. I forwarded your response to another caregiver whom I am concerned is putting their legal well being in jeapordy (as well as giving ammunition to those that oppose medical marijuana) by advertising that he is selling meds on craigslist to cardholders whom he is not a caregiver for. His response to me was the following: "Mc Queen decision was 2/2013 and the law has changed since then. Any ways thanks for your input and concern" Can anyone with a strong understanding of the law confirm if he is correct or incorrect?
  10. I have heard differing opinions on this... can patients purchase from anyone or only the caregiver they are connected to via the MDCH? Hoping someone can help me set the record straight!
  11. Would you suggest arguing intent of the law with a LEO in your home that sees your 100 unrooted cuttings as entire plants or would you recommend keeping the number of cuttings that could be perceived as plants by an uneducated LEO under your legal limit? I am not so much worried about what I could fight in court but would rather do everything possible to not have to defend my stance in court if I can avoid it.
  12. Thanks everyone for your replies, I am sure many people have the same question I do and I am sure this thread will help a lot of people out. I think it's safe to say that sticking with my old system of only taking only as many cuttings as I need.
  13. Thanks for the info, can you tell me what your source is for this information? Perhaps you misunderstood my reason for posting this question. I do work with a number of caregivers and patients locally, and have a large number of strains at my disposal. However in order to keep my plant count under our legal limit I only take enough cuttings to produce just enough rooted clones for each cycle of my perpetual scrog grow. While I have a 99% success rate with my bubble cloners I do get the occasional cutting that doesn't make it and a couple strains that have longer than normal rooting time which throws off my harvest a bit. Me and my wife both provide free meds for a number of people who are unable to afford their meds, and it's important that we be able to provide our patients with an uninterrupted supply and with the limited space that I have (as I am using a building on a family member's property because I have small children at home and do not want to run the risk of having my home raided). If I where able to legally take a few more cuttings than I actually needed and throw away the extras when the fastest rooting clones showed roots it would help prevent these losses of harvest, and would make it much easier to have plants ready right when I need them. However I think it's safe to say the best idea is to do as I have been doing and count every single cutting as a plant, as it's possible that a cop could do just that, especially if they know nothing about plants.
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