Urine Test Tomorrow

[Southern Cross]

I've been smoking for 40 years and now that I finally have the right to smoke legally my insurance company has decided to violate my rights.

 

I have a form of Muscular Dystrophy. It's actually a muscular atrophy, but it is one of the forty neuromuscular disorders that are under the umbrella of the Jerry Lewis Muscular Dystrophy Association. It's not the kind that kills you, it just gradually cripples you until you end up in a wheel chair using prosthetics to feed yourself and so on.

 

When I was younger I could go out into the woods and grow enough medicine to control my pain, but I'm too old for that now. For the past several years I have been on Medicaid that has paid for many surgeries, prosthetics and narcotics. I'm very grateful for this assistance. Over the years I have found that if I take enough narcotic medication to be comfortable I either drool on myself, pass out or vomit. So I take enough medication to relieve the pain to an almost tolerable level then take a few tokes and I'm comfortable.

 

I can't afford to buy enough cannabis to totally relieve my pain and I can't take enough narcotics to get comfortable without getting sick. My living arrangements are such that I can't grow an indoor crop.

 

At my last doctor appointment I was informed that Great Lakes Insurance will require that I pass a urine test or I will get no more pain medication. The urine sample must show that I have narcotics in my system, but NO Marijuana.

 

Medicaid is jointly funded by the state and federal governments. Great Lakes Insurance doesn't have to test me for marijuana, they choose to do it out of their own rotten hearts. I feel that my rights are being violated, but because Medicaid is partially federally funded Great Lakes Insurance can require a urine sample.

 

I wonder if the stuff they sell at High Times will mask the marijuana but still show positive for narcotics. Does anybody know?

 

Anita Bonghit

[KathywithaK]

I've been smoking for 40 years and now that I finally have the right to smoke legally my insurance company has decided to violate my rights.

 

I have a form of Muscular Dystrophy. It's actually a muscular atrophy, but it is one of the forty neuromuscular disorders that are under the umbrella of the Jerry Lewis Muscular Dystrophy Association. It's not the kind that kills you, it just gradually cripples you until you end up in a wheel chair using prosthetics to feed yourself and so on.

 

When I was younger I could go out into the woods and grow enough medicine to control my pain, but I'm too old for that now. For the past several years I have been on Medicaid that has paid for many surgeries, prosthetics and narcotics. I'm very grateful for this assistance. Over the years I have found that if I take enough narcotic medication to be comfortable I either drool on myself, pass out or vomit. So I take enough medication to relieve the pain to an almost tolerable level then take a few tokes and I'm comfortable.

 

I can't afford to buy enough cannabis to totally relieve my pain and I can't take enough narcotics to get comfortable without getting sick. My living arrangements are such that I can't grow an indoor crop.

 

At my last doctor appointment I was informed that Great Lakes Insurance will require that I pass a urine test or I will get no more pain medication. The urine sample must show that I have narcotics in my system, but NO Marijuana.

 

Medicaid is jointly funded by the state and federal governments. Great Lakes Insurance doesn't have to test me for marijuana, they choose to do it out of their own rotten hearts. I feel that my rights are being violated, but because Medicaid is partially federally funded Great Lakes Insurance can require a urine sample.

 

I wonder if the stuff they sell at High Times will mask the marijuana but still show positive for narcotics. Does anybody know?

 

Anita Bonghit

this is ooutrageous how cruel can the feds get?

[truthBOMB]

no matter your masking agent, always take your urine sample from 50%-70% of your urine, never from the beginning or end of your stream.

 

ok here's my rundown for the masking agents:

 

I've used several in my days and i have to say the most convenient would be the additives you put into your own urine. look for a small vile and "tuck" it next your your body (body temp must match all additives, there are thermometers on the sample jars and they look for variants.) when you've collected your sample, dump it in, pocket your vile, and smile when you hand them your pee.

 

Replacements: these are great if you are not confident in the agent, but cumbersome to keep at body temp and too much fiddling in the stall may ignite questions if they are over the shoulder.

 

Drinks: taste awful. there are many variants on this style, make sure you understand the instructions before you purchase...some need 24hrs to take effect, some 1 hour, some you need to take a bunch of water, some they say normal consumption.

 

all in all, i was most comfortable with the additive. sorry i can't remembver any names, one was endorsed by tommy chong, think it was called "Urine Luck"

 

best of luck.

[Bisharoo]

Yes, your individual human rights are being blatantly and obviously violated. I am so sorry, my friend.

My fellow human beings, we are all in this together at some level or another. Those who are haters of individual human rights have somehow taken control of our many different institutions, from national state and local governments to others who want to rule and regulate you!! We have power to take it back by insisting that elected and non-elected leaders live up to the constitutional oath they swore to uphold. This document spells out very plainly and clearly that it is individuals, not governments or groups or kings or tyrants or thugs or gangs or judges or police forces that own ourselves. So, any attempt to force a free human being to give up free will is a form of tyranny, and we cannot continue on this path. You may be in the preferred group today ("those animals were more equal than others") but another whim from some other person or group could turn against you next!!

The only thing we can do is replace the haters of individual human rights this next election with someone who will not lie when they swear to do this thing.

 

[herb green]

You probably need to find someone who takes the same narco drugs you do that doesnt smoke weed

 

Then get their urine

 

smuggle it in there and do it that way tape to your body I think to get the temputure right

 

Probably the only way to show narcs and no marijuana

 

Unless you have the time to go off marijuana

 

I hate those companies the testing and questions

 

just tell them to flower off

[Dman]

 

Unless you have the time to go off marijuana

 

 

 

Make the time... Stall... Use all the above. Make up some excuse any excuse. Insurance is nothing to mess around with. GL!

[Guest Marywanna]

Do you have acid reflux or GERD? PPIs like Protonix,Nexium,Prevacid,Prilosec and Zegerid will show up positive for THC. If you are taking any of these drugs you will come up positive.How ironic. You can have narcotics but no MJ.

[Ionic7]

mix certo with water, drink, pee, clean.

[Terrapin Flyer]

Do you have acid reflux or GERD? PPIs like Protonix,Nexium,Prevacid,Prilosec and Zegerid will show up positive for THC. If you are taking any of these drugs you will come up positive.How ironic. You can have narcotics but no MJ.

 

Wow, now this is something I didn't know. Not that I doubt you, but can this be verified? Is it documented anywhere? If so, that's awesome. Those drugs are widely prescribed, and often provided as samples by docs (hint).

 

 

 

As for the original problem - you might want to find someone that's clean, share your narcs, and take a sample in for your appt.

[Guest Marywanna]

You can google any of the PPIs and find out about them.

[Guest Medicinal Patient]

Wow I am shocked. Sorry you are dealing with this Anita. Thanks for the heads up and I will for sure avoid this specific plan and advise others as well. Does anyone know if the other medicaid plans are following suit? Was this a policy before the medical marijuana program? They shouldn't be able to discriminate against anyone for the prescribed meds they choose to ingest. I am appauled.

[JohnB RPh]

In my mind, the bigger question here is how Great Lakes Health Plan, as a clinic plan under the auspices of Michigan Medicaid, can require urine testing like this, or at the very least hold it against a person who is legal in the eyes of the state. Can this be a legal action? Straight Medicaid is also partially funded by the feds, but they aren't, as far as I am aware, requiring any such testing.

 

Have you discussed this with your caseworker yet? This reeks of discrimination to me.

[Sledge]

Wow, now this is something I didn't know. Not that I doubt you, but can this be verified? Is it documented anywhere? If so, that's awesome. Those drugs are widely prescribed, and often provided as samples by docs (hint).

 

 

 

As for the original problem - you might want to find someone that's clean, share your narcs, and take a sample in for your appt.

 

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[BlakDomina]

Did they clearly state the reason they were asking for the urine test was to check for Marijuana? My Neurologist and Pain Specialist have both required this of me for over a year now, when I asked why they both said they are trying to get better control over misuse of Opioid.My Doctor is aware I smoke Marijuana (he signed my paperwork to allow me to get my card) He told me Marijuana was NOT what they were testing for.

I am not saying it is fair, just explaining? You might find the following articles interesting.

http://www.medscape.com/resource/opioid/opioid-michigan

http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/pubs/manuals/index.html

[Southern Cross]

Quote: "Did they clearly state the reason they were asking for the urine test was to check for Marijuana? My Neurologist and Pain Specialist have both required this of me for over a year now, when I asked why they both said they are trying to get better control over misuse of Opioid.My Doctor is aware I smoke Marijuana (he signed my paperwork to allow me to get my card) He told me Marijuana was NOT what they were testing for."

 

OK, I peed yesterday and my next appointment to get my prescriptions refilled is Friday. I'll find out then if the High Times stuff worked or not. Thanks everybody for all the suggestions.

 

I talked to my doctor and found out the reason they are checking me. I had lumbar fusion surgery in March. When I left the hospital my neurosurgeon gave me a script for some Fentanyl patches. He knew that I was on Norco and that the Norco wouldn't cover the extra pain from the surgery. The insurance company notified my primary care doctor that I was doctor shopping even though the surgeon explained that I had just had surgery and needed extra pain relief and the insurance company's records showed that they had paid for the surgery and hospital stay. The person handling the claim couldn't understand why I would need extra pain relief just because I had surgery. Plus I had signed an agreement that I would only get pain meds from my primary care physician so he should have been the one to write the script for the Fentanyl. I was in so much pain from the surgery I didn't even think about the form I had signed five years ago.

 

As far as the MJ test goes, their reasoning is that people who smoke MJ are likely to sell their pain meds to buy MJ. So I haven't been able to smoke since last friday just in case the stuff didn't work and I have to clean up in order to get my pain meds back.

 

Anita Bonghit