Educate The Tea Party On Schuette

[Clear and Unambiguous]

Hello all,

 

As you may or may not know, the Michigan Tea Party has backed Schuette. They have made an honest mistake, and had no idea that stands against the constitution when he opposes the MMMA.

 

Most of them don't even know he is against our laws. I think we can change some minds here and win some votes for Leyton.

 

Here is an email list to all of the Teap Party support groups in the state. Please help educate them.

 

remjte@aol.com

dmoore.dennis@gmail.com

fred.bertsch@charter.net

purifyingflame@gmail.com

brian.boyer@wmich.edu

midlandconstitutionalists@gmail.com

rbutkowski5@comcast.net

wctaxpayers@comcast.net

w4ar@w4ar.com

gtkozak@umich.edu

janice.troyteaparty@gmail.com

ms@endersagency.com

TroyCitizens@gmail.com

tricitylp@gmail.com

ktuck@speednetLLc.com

eric.buitenhuis@gmail.com

truckerrandy@hotmail.com

organizer@tb912project.com

jonathanaltman@live.com

tppwoc@gmail.com

petzoldmark@yahoo.com

taxandspendmustend@gmail.com

gene.clem@gmail.com

snrross@comcast.net

ajstack@cupoftheday.com

beayoung1@verizon.net

cknaus@savingamericamovement.com

romeoareateaparty@hotmail.com

membership@retakeourgov.com

jhenrygrover@msn.com

rattlewithus@yahoo.com

porthuron.taxdayteaparty@gmail.com

PontiacTeaParty@yahoo.com

sprogers@comcast.net

jmifit@gmail.com

osc9121st@hotmail.com

davidcirons@yahoo.com

cminier@hccsnet.org

0825@att.net

johnny_skosnik@wowway.com

benjduff@gmail.com

nemi.teaparty@gmail.com

rmestrada@ameritech.net

tmdupont@charter.net

pat.collins36@yahoo.com

muskegonpatriots@gmail.com

yaF@msu

sharonsnyder@wowway.com

Leon@mitaxpayers.org

info@michiganpep.org

info@mifairtax.org

michiganhcf@gmail.com

mchemails@gmail.com

michliberty@gmail.com

mecosta.teaparty@yahoo.com

biggs2@wildblue.net

jahr@mackinac.org

Rod.Merrill1@gmail.com

eric63patrick@yahoo.com

mailTim@sbcglobal.net

casinoqueen7@comcast.net

Lenawee912@yahoo.com

lapeerteapartypatriots@gmail.com

Lansing912@ReclaimMichigan.com

decabaoh@comcast.net

retvet242@yahoo.com

jgisler5@comcast.net

dmbrownie47@comcast.net

kingsleyphoenix@hotmail.com

freedom@jacksonteaparty.org

kchase@chaseplastics.com

DonaldJakel@aol.com

contact@hudsonvilleteaparty.com

maryhelensears@msn.com

holl.zee.pats.organize@gmail.com

hillsdaleteaparty@gmail.com

info@ushri.org

scnebula@aol.com

lansingmiteaparty@gmail.com

econclub@gvsu.edu

geneseeteaparty@yahoo.com

RobinBlitchok@yahoo.com

muthtea@speednetllc.com

yaliberty.ferris@gmail.com

david@fedupusa.org

info@edactiongroup.org

www.eagleforum.org

conservativecaucusofmonroecounty@charter.net

wjdayhome@sbcglobal.net

countmarcus7@yahoo.com

dallen@glccomputers.com

firstrose@verizon.net

call-usa@sprint.blackberry.net

drscottdavis@yahoo.com

caroteaparty@yahoo.com

ECochran@campusreform.org

mrichter86@yahoo.com

seanmhouse@gmail.com

danielledesiree@live.com

thelibertychick@gmail.com

kaptnkaos@gmail.com

browngr3@msu.edu

rosebudd073@hotmail.com

levelbev@yahoo.com

dgfassett@hotmail.com

cheneygun@gmail.com

ahTeaParty@yahoo.com

info@annarborteaparty.com

wwbigler@gmail.com

jdavison@afphq.org

sfox53@charter.net

info@acton.org

info@actforamerica.org

contact@912libertyteaparty.com

[Otsego County Caregiver]

I really doubt that this is an honest mistake, but I'll get to emailing anyway.

 

Thank You!

[Otsego County Caregiver]

Here's the email i sent:

 

Hello.

 

My name is ------------- and my wife is a patient under Michigan's Medical Marijuana Law. The Medical Marijuana Law was passed by a 63% majority statewide and passed in every single county in the state. Thanks to this wonderful ballot initiative overwhelmingly approved by voters my wife is now free to obtain or produce the medicine she needs to treat her seizure disorder without having to deal with criminals and without fear of prosecution.

 

I was distressed to learn the Michigan Tea Party, who I once thought stood firm on individual rights and keeping government out of our business, has endorsed Republican Bill Schuette for Attorney General in Michigan.

 

Bill Schuette ran the campaign against the Medical Marijuana ballot initiative in 2008 and has repeatedly expressed disdain for the will of the people on this issue. I hope this is an honest mistake on the part of the MTP and that you and your fellow Tea Partiers will re-consider this endorsement of such a statist/authoritarian politician.

 

Thank you and I eagerly await your reply

 

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[MacombCountyCaregiver]

Thank You for doing this! Everyone do your part and get to E-mailing!

[+420Atheist]

Email sent. I have yet to hear the tea party admit a mistake or support a Democrat even though they supposedly independent from them.

[Southern Cross]

Hello all,

 

As you may or may not know, the Michigan Tea Party has backed Schuette. They have made an honest mistake, and had no idea that stands against the constitution when he opposes the MMMA.

 

Most of them don't even know he is against our laws. I think we can change some minds here and win some votes for Leyton.

 

Here is an email list to all of the Teap Party support groups in the state. Please help educate them.

 

 

www.eagleforum.org

 

My mail server rejected the email address for www.eagleforum.org.

 

The rest of them went through. I'm waiting for a response.

[+wolfgang]

emailed away, thanks for that!!

[+wolfgang]

here's a few replies:

 

The Tea Party endorsed him? I have heard his TV ads and will NEVER vote for him. He opposes early release of nonviolent convicts. You have now given me more proof that he is an absolute douche. I will actively campaign AGAINST him. If you have any more information on him, please let me know.

 

Very Sincerely,

 

 

Scott Campbell

www.DetroitTeaParty.com

[+wolfgang]

I let this guy have it!!

 

 

The mission of the Lapeer County Tea Party Patriots is to engage citizens

and provide avenues for participation in the political process. Our goals

are to prevent wasteful spending of tax dollars, to reduce the size of

government and its bureaucracies, and to hold accountable those we elect to

represent us. This will be accomplished by Attracting, Informing, and

Mobilizing all who share these goals, regardless of political affiliation

The medical marijuana issue does not fall within this statement and is not something that we would address. Thanks for your note.

Lapeer County Tea Party Patriots

[Clear and Unambiguous]

Well done!!!

 

I like to focus on the constitution when I email these guys. I went with this one.

 

Protect Michigan’s Constitution November 2nd

 

Hello Tea Party Supporters,

 

A major constitutional issue has arisen in the great state of Michigan. This issue, unfortunately, has flown under the radar until recently.

 

In 2008, a voter initiative was placed on the ballot giving Michigan voters the choice to amend our constitution. This measure, brought forth not by legislature but by the people of Michigan, qualified as a constitutional amendment because over 380,000 citizens agreed that it should be decided upon by the people.

 

Once on the ballot, this constitutional amendment passed EVERY SINGLE COUNTY in the entire state and was approved at a 2-1 margin statewide. That is an incredible victory, well beyond what one would consider a “landslide,” and as such the will of the people was clearly spoken. This November 2nd, a candidate stands in open and direct disagreement with this constitutional amendment.

 

Tea Party supporters, please take a moment to understand exactly what this means. It matters not what the constitutional right is, it matters only that we have a candidate who directly opposes the will of the people.

 

That man who works against the will of the people is Bill Schuette, Attorney General Candidate. The constitutional right he openly seeks to impose upon is the Michigan Medical Marihuana Act.

 

Friends, this is not a Marijuana issue. This is a constitutional issue. This is a freedom issue.

 

Support was given publicly to Mr. Schuette recently at Schoolcraft College. I don’t know how this mistake was made, but we have the opportunity now to rescind our support for him and show Michigan that we stand with the will of the people.

 

I will not stand by idly and allow an Attorney General to take office in 2010 that directly opposes voter initiated legislation passed just two years ago. I will not stand for the arrest and prosecution of my fellow citizens who are exercising the freedom we the people of Michigan have unanimously granted them. It is morally unjustifiable.

 

I respectfully point out that it is not the job of an Attorney General to allow his personal opinion of our laws affect his duties (or his public comments), it is his job to uphold our constitution and to uphold the will of the people.

 

I believe that, as constitutionalists, we should rescind our public support for Bill Schuette as Attorney General.

 

Please make your voice heard by the leaders of our movement on this issue.

[Southern Cross]

I let this guy have it!!

 

 

The mission of the Lapeer County Tea Party Patriots is to engage citizens

and provide avenues for participation in the political process. Our goals

are to prevent wasteful spending of tax dollars, to reduce the size of

government and its bureaucracies, and to hold accountable those we elect to

represent us. This will be accomplished by Attracting, Informing, and

Mobilizing all who share these goals, regardless of political affiliation

The medical marijuana issue does not fall within this statement and is not something that we would address. Thanks for your note.

Lapeer County Tea Party Patriots

I blasted that guy too and I've had a little back and forth with the guy from Caro.

 

I did get a well reasoned reply from a few of them. Some said they didn't endorse anybody. One guy from Michigan State said it was the lesser of two evils, actually a couple of them said that. I wrote back to the guy in Lansing because he truly seems to have an open mind.

 

I'll let you know if anything good happens.

[+wolfgang]

well what I got from this was not all the tea party folks support Schutte,and from what I've read a few ta party ppl are spporting him,and the emails I got from tea party ppl is they some support Grow and Leyton,so it seems like its pretty broad.

[+wolfgang]

I don’t know where you got my e-mail address but will reply as I have been very active with Tea Party groups from across the state for well over a year. To my knowledge there is no group that calls itself the Michigan Tea Party. If you have documentation that such a group does exist and has endorsed Bill Schuette then I would be very interested in reviewing your findings.

 

 

 

Rod

 

Ludington Tea Party - group coordinator

[Clear and Unambiguous]

I don’t know where you got my e-mail address but will reply as I have been very active with Tea Party groups from across the state for well over a year. To my knowledge there is no group that calls itself the Michigan Tea Party. If you have documentation that such a group does exist and has endorsed Bill Schuette then I would be very interested in reviewing your findings.

 

 

 

Rod

 

Ludington Tea Party - group coordinator

 

Hi Rod,

 

I got in from a public policy website.

 

As for the Tea Party endorsements, please visit the Schuette campaign page. He boasts of your support there.

[2d]

Hi Rod,

 

I got in from a public policy website.

 

As for the Tea Party endorsements, please visit the Schuette campaign page. He boasts of your support there.

 

 

 

>>Tea Party Leaders Endorse Schuette for AG

Fabiano, Hollister, Lollio, Schmidt and Costello are “On Dutyâ€

Posted on August 9th, 2010 by Schuette Campaign

 

Need to Avoid Confusion with “Fake Tea Party”

 

Five of Michigan’s most well known Tea Party leaders today announced their endorsements of Bill Schuette for Attorney General.

 

Joan Fabiano of Grassroots in Michigan, William Taylor Hollister, Jr. of MEDEFCO (Metro Detroit Freedom Coalition) and Sharon Lollio, along with her board members Maribeth Schmidt and Tom Costello from the Rattle With Us Tea Party, support former Appeals Court Judge Bill Schuette in his race for Michigan’s top law enforcement position.

 

Joan Fabiano of Grassroots in Michigan said, “Attorney General is an extremely important position. We need a strong, hard working conservative who will be an advocate for the citizens of the State of Michigan. Bill Schuette is that candidate and that’s why I’m encouraging precinct delegates to cast their vote for Bill Schuette for Attorney General.”

 

William Taylor Hollister, Jr. of MEDEFCO said, “I believe Bill Schuette has the experience, knowledge and understanding to run the Office of Attorney General well. He will utilize the office to keep Michigan a sound and sovereign state.”

 

Sharon Lollio of Rattle With Us Tea Party said, “The Rattle With Us Tea Party organizers endorse Bill Schuette in his bid to be Michigan’s next Attorney General. W ith the threat of a fake Tea Party on the ballot, we feel this endorsement is necessary to avoid confusion at the polls.”

 

Bill Schuette responded by saying, “I am honored to have earned the support of these freedom-loving patriots. They are ‘On Duty for Bill Schuette.’ The Tea Party proved that it is a powerful force to be reckoned with in last week’s election. I look forward to working with them not just in this election, but over the next four years as we make bold, fundamental changes in Lansing and put public safety first.”<<

 

http://www.billschuette.com/Schuette/2010/08/09/tea-party-leaders-endorse-schuette-for-ag

[+420Atheist]

Wow I was surprised at how many responses I got. You have to give the tea party people credit for being actively involved. And I must say the responses were mostly very positive. Thanks for suggesting this as I think it was a worth while thing to do.

[+wolfgang]

this response is from Rod at the Ludington tea party:

 

His webpage does not say he has received endorsement from the Michigan Tea Party. He has received endorsements from Tea Party leaders who are members of groups whose IRS tax status may allow them to become involved in this manner. Although if you read the endorsements on the website carefully, not a single leader states they are representing their Tea Party group except for Joan Fabiano who is Grassroots in Michigan.

 

 

 

Tea Parties are autonomous as most groups are individual entities. Painting all Tea Party members with a broad brush that they endorse Bill Schuette would be like saying all Democrats embrace President Obama.

[+RevThad]

Wow I was surprised at how many responses I got. You have to give the tea party people credit for being actively involved. And I must say the responses were mostly very positive. Thanks for suggesting this as I think it was a worth while thing to do.

This is exactly why I have been stating here and in other places that painting the tea parties with such a broad brush was a bad thing. Many of those folks are just like us, actually a majority of them are.

 

There are a few of them that have been co-opted, but they are rather easy to pick out.

[+wolfgang]

another post from a tea party person.

 

 

 

The tea party does not endorse candidates. It endorses views by candidates whose views best reflect the goals of the tea party which includes limited government, personal responsibility, economic responsibility and smaller government. I regret that a group as large and diverse as ours cannot fulfill the impossible goal of addressing and endorsing every individual's personal issue or point of view. If you are willing to accept government control over your life in exchange for Medical Marijuana, that is your choice. However it is not the choice of many others who may, or have, faced similar circumstances. Good luck and continue to urge action on issues of great importance to your family.

 

 

dgf

[+420Atheist]

This is exactly why I have been stating here and in other places that painting the tea parties with such a broad brush was a bad thing. Many of those folks are just like us, actually a majority of them are.

 

There are a few of them that have been co-opted, but they are rather easy to pick out.

 

Ya but, , , I did also get some of the "we need to crush the liberal scum so I will never vote for the democratic candidate" responses. I suggested to them that they vote for the Libertarian party candidate. I figured that would be a vote taken away from Schuette.

 

I still say that they are Astroturf that being fake grassroots. They are being funded by the same old Republicans that have always funded the party mostly thanks to Dick Armey and FreedomWorks. they were formed mostly in an attempt to crush heath care reform. Many of the people did not even understand the issues or were out right lied to. the "Keep your government hands off my Medicare" and "death panels" comes to mind. Since much of Armey's career before Freedomworks was spent as lobbyist for the pharmaceutical industry so you have to ask yourself what his motivation really was.

 

Like you my friend, I want to see a more free and prosperous America. I would like to see every person who can work and wants to work have the opportunity to get a great paying job. I would like to see LEO respect the citizens they are charged to protect instead of seeing us as the enemy. I would like to be free to do as I wish as long as it does not infringe on anyone else's rights. I don't see that happening though a party that most of the time uses an appeal to emotion argument instead of honestly debating the issues.

[Southern Cross]

Ya but, , , I did also get some of the "we need to crush the liberal scum so I will never vote for the democratic candidate" responses. I suggested to them that they vote for the Libertarian party candidate. I figured that would be a vote taken away from Schuette.

 

I still say that they are Astroturf that being fake grassroots. They are being funded by the same old Republicans that have always funded the party mostly thanks to Dick Armey and FreedomWorks. they were formed mostly in an attempt to crush heath care reform. Many of the people did not even understand the issues or were out right lied to. the "Keep your government hands off my Medicare" and "death panels" comes to mind. Since much of Armey's career before Freedomworks was spent as lobbyist for the pharmaceutical industry so you have to ask yourself what his motivation really was.

 

Like you my friend, I want to see a more free and prosperous America. I would like to see every person who can work and wants to work have the opportunity to get a great paying job. I would like to see LEO respect the citizens they are charged to protect instead of seeing us as the enemy. I would like to be free to do as I wish as long as it does not infringe on anyone else's rights. I don't see that happening though a party that most of the time uses an appeal to emotion argument instead of honestly debating the issues.

 

I got a few replies from hard core republicans too. I agree with the astroturf analogy and that they used ObamaCare along with socialism to scare the Tea Party people. The big money people are after lower taxes for the rich and corporations and fewer regulations on oil companies and other polluters.

 

Back in the 1930s it was the Rockefeller and Du Pont money and the Hearst newspaper chain's "Yellow Journalism" against FDR's New Deal. They also managed to pass the Marijuana Tax Act. The slang term "marijuana" was coined by Hearst to link cannabis to Mexicans.

 

Now we have the Koch brother's money going to Dick Armey's Freedom Works and Rupert Murdoch's NewsCorp doing the propaganda.

 

The Billionaires Bankrolling the Tea Party

[westmich]

Ya but, , , I did also get some of the "we need to crush the liberal scum so I will never vote for the democratic candidate" responses. I suggested to them that they vote for the Libertarian party candidate. I figured that would be a vote taken away from Schuette.

 

I still say that they are Astroturf that being fake grassroots. They are being funded by the same old Republicans that have always funded the party mostly thanks to Dick Armey and FreedomWorks. they were formed mostly in an attempt to crush heath care reform. Many of the people did not even understand the issues or were out right lied to. the "Keep your government hands off my Medicare" and "death panels" comes to mind. Since much of Armey's career before Freedomworks was spent as lobbyist for the pharmaceutical industry so you have to ask yourself what his motivation really was.

 

Like you my friend, I want to see a more free and prosperous America. I would like to see every person who can work and wants to work have the opportunity to get a great paying job. I would like to see LEO respect the citizens they are charged to protect instead of seeing us as the enemy. I would like to be free to do as I wish as long as it does not infringe on anyone else's rights. I don't see that happening though a party that most of the time uses an appeal to emotion argument instead of honestly debating the issues.

 

Unlike say ThinkPink or MoveOn.org which are real grass roots groups. And all of the protesting just stopped by coincidence once Obama was sworn in even though the wars continued. Might want to try new sources beyond Rachel Maddow.

 

Whatever "Astroturf" was there in the beginning it seems to have spun out their control.

[+420Atheist]

Unlike say ThinkPink or MoveOn.org which are real grass roots groups. And all of the protesting just stopped by coincidence once Obama was sworn in even though the wars continued. Might want to try new sources beyond Rachel Maddow.

 

Whatever "Astroturf" was there in the beginning it seems to have spun out their control.

 

That is a strawman as I never said they were grassroots. It is also a distraction as it does not counter my point about the tea party being funded by the same old Republicans with the same old Republican talking points. Even though your attempting to distract readers from the point I will say that I was never fooled for a second about who was behind the groups you mentioned. Can most tea party people say the same thing about freedomworks?

[+RevThad]

That is a strawman as I never said they were grassroots. It is also a distraction as it does not counter my point about the tea party being funded by the same old Republicans with the same old Republican talking points. Even though your attempting to distract readers from the point I will say that I was never fooled for a second about who was behind the groups you mentioned. Can most tea party people say the same thing about freedomworks?

Some are shills for the Repubs. While many are actual grassroots movements, the events (rallies) I have attended have invited folks from all political parties. It is what it is.

 

Anyways, I think we can all agree that lower taxes across the board, and lowered spending is the best policy.

 

Things that get me riled up are moves like the change of location of the MSP headquarters. Instead of continuing in a lease that still has years on it, and only costs $1 per year... they are leasing another facility that is going to cost nearly $5 million per year, and is a 25 year lease.... If that money needed to be spent we can all think of a few better places to spend it.

[+420Atheist]

 

 

Anyways, I think we can all agree that lower taxes across the board, and lowered spending is the best policy.

 

 

 

I can agree but what programs do you want to give up? I'm getting pretty close to retirement so I want some of the SS money back I paid in. And who will pay for medicare and medicaid patients if we pull that program? We will all pay anyway as higher prices at the hospital. Like it or not medicare and medicaid operates by paying out 99% of the money taken in with only 1% for overhead. The average insurance company keeps 30% for overhead. That is a case where gov is doing a better job than private corporations. If we would stop going to war in places we have no business that would help cut a big portion of the budget. But lets be honest. The rest of the stuff which constitutes about 99% of the debate (like education and environment) are a very small percentage of the budget. Now if we are honest and discuss just the discretionary budget and not try to mix and confuse the issues with the non discretionary spending we are still looking a very small budget items with education being 7% and environment being 3%. But even cutting those items out completely will not make a dent in the overall deficit.

 

Here is the way I see it. The Republicans are spend, spend, spend and cut taxes. If you don't believe me google national deficit by president or check out the states that most benefit from taxes. And yes the president submits the budget. Now spending more but cutting your income by cutting taxes is not fiscally responsible. The Democrats are spend, spend, spend, raise taxes enough to pay for the spending. In reality that sucks but at least it is more fiscally responsible. Clinton left with the highest surplus in history. Even if you argue it was unfair to the wealthy the wealthy did pretty well during the Clinton years.

 

I really don't want to see us give up any of the gov programs that have value to the citizens. I am all for those programs being responsible and spending the money in a way that brings value to the citizens (example of irresponsibility is the pentagon buying $1000 toilet seats.) I am not apposed to cutting some services. We just have to recognize that there are social programs that are critical to society and those programs do not equal socialism. The citizens in this country need to do a better job of honestly debating and critical thinking through these important issues and not fall pray to the special interest fear mongering, intellectually dishonest fallacies, and outright lies.