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There have been many in the legal system, I include police officers in that, who have said something like:

 

"I don't interpret the law. I enforce it."

 

In other words "I know what I'll arrest you for, but I'm not going to tell you."

 

Thoughts?

 

Before the raid on the Ferndale clinic, the sheriffs department had been consulted. The sheriffs office had agreed to allow the clinic to be open. Then they raided it.

 

The sheriffs office of Oakland county seems to have misled the persons involved for the purpose of putting them in jail.

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I will answer my own question since i cant edit it lol

 

I guess entrapment would be a hard call, since they went to them for approval!

 

Now lets say: Im thinking of growing my own weed, and Id like to supply some of my friends and family with it, So I think Ill go check with the local l.e!

 

Sheet I guess a lot of leo's would just say yea sure no problem, lmao, so i get things going, a friend brings a friend, I think im in the clear!

 

Bang down comes my door!

 

:rolleyes:

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Every person that posts or reads here wants to function in a way that will not result in jail time.

 

We ask and hope for answers.

 

The answers, many times, are unknown yet.

 

However, when someone makes a clear attempt to be a law abiding citizen, they should NOT be intentionally misled into a courtroom by authorities.

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There have been many in the legal system, I include police officers in that, who have said something like:

 

"I don't interpret the law. I enforce it."

 

In other words "I know what I'll arrest you for, but I'm not going to tell you."

 

Thoughts?

 

Before the raid on the Ferndale clinic, the sheriffs department had been consulted. The sheriffs office had agreed to allow the clinic to be open. Then they raided it.

 

The sheriffs office of Oakland county seems to have misled the persons involved for the purpose of putting them in jail.

 

I'm Hip.

 

And, I do believe we're "on the same page" (or, at least, the same "chapter" : ) when wondering out-loud, for the sake of Humanity, just who is acting "on behalf of" who, when it comes to "Government ... of, by and for ... 'WE The PEOPLE'"?.

 

Maybe "WE" should see an "Evidentiary Hearing" on THAT, eh!?

 

Roll On!

 

Be FREE!

 

HARVEST The HEALING

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"I understand what you propose to do. Please do so. That way we can arrest you and use you for a "test case.""

 

If that were what the Oakland county sheriffs office had honestly said, there may not have been any clinic to raid.

 

 

Yep maybe with these folks at least!

 

You know that people are out there realy trying to be a test case and not for the rite reasons!

 

leo needs to leave law abiding pt's and c.g's alone!

 

There will still be many many others abusing the system for them to arrest!

 

Peace

FTW

Jim

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Yep maybe with these folks at least!

 

You know that people are out there realy trying to be a test case and not for the rite reasons!

 

leo needs to leave law abiding pt's and c.g's alone!

 

There will still be many many others abusing the system for them to arrest!

 

Peace

FTW

Jim

 

This is a massive untested area of law. We don't need our officials misleading persons that wish to be law abiding citizens.

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PB QUOTE: Before the raid on the Ferndale clinic, the sheriffs department had been consulted. The sheriffs office had agreed to allow the clinic to be open. Then they raided it.

 

Might be better to start these 'question' threads with statements that are fact instead of just BS to inflame the readers. A point that has not been contended is that the sheriffs went over to the clinic and told them what they were doing WAS illegal. They waited, the dispensary stayed open, and then they were raided.

Every attorney worth their salt will tell you that law enforcement doesn't have to give you good or correct advice. You can't do a single thing about it. It is common practice. It has nothing exclusive to do with the Michigan Medical Marijuana Law.

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This is a massive untested area of law. We don't need our officials misleading persons that wish to be law abiding citizens.

 

 

Agreed!

 

I would love nothing more than to have a nice size flower store type set up! big green houses, many dif strains for every patients needs, Pay taxes, be a productive active member of the community!

 

 

In your opinion was the despensary's and where to get your meds from, left this way on purpose?

 

I dont buy the," for a.d pruposes"

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PB QUOTE: Before the raid on the Ferndale clinic, the sheriffs department had been consulted. The sheriffs office had agreed to allow the clinic to be open. Then they raided it.

 

Might be better to start these 'question' threads with statements that are fact instead of just BS to inflame the readers. A point that has not been contended is that the sheriffs went over to the clinic and told them what they were doing WAS illegal. They waited, the dispensary stayed open, and then they were raided.

Every attorney worth their salt will tell you that law enforcement doesn't have to give you good or correct advice. You can't do a single thing about it. It is common practice. It has nothing exclusive to do with the Michigan Medical Marijuana Law.

 

 

no one is inflamed in here!

 

if the sheriff did as you say! why didnt they shut them down than and there? instead of getting leo's fake i.d and cards, and gather their evidence?

 

just wondering! not mad!

 

Peace

FTW

Jim

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PB QUOTE: Before the raid on the Ferndale clinic, the sheriffs department had been consulted. The sheriffs office had agreed to allow the clinic to be open. Then they raided it.

 

Might be better to start these 'question' threads with statements that are fact instead of just BS to inflame the readers. A point that has not been contended is that the sheriffs went over to the clinic and told them what they were doing WAS illegal. They waited, the dispensary stayed open, and then they were raided.

Every attorney worth their salt will tell you that law enforcement doesn't have to give you good or correct advice. You can't do a single thing about it. It is common practice. It has nothing exclusive to do with the Michigan Medical Marijuana Law.

 

Evidence has already been presented in court about this issue.

 

Officers were laughing about it.

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Seems like they gave them a chance to shut down. I can't read their minds either. But to say they encouraged it is misleading and serves no good purpose here. The city council and mayor oked it and the prosecutor sent over sheriffs to tell them it was illegal. The owners made their choice to stay open anyway.

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Before the raid on the Ferndale clinic, the sheriffs department had been consulted. The sheriffs office had agreed to allow the clinic to be open. Then they raided it.

 

The information available about the Ferndale clinic appears to suggest that they were doing things at the time of the raid that they were not doing when the cops first "OKed" the existance of the establishment.

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Seems like they gave them a chance to shut down. I can't read their minds either. But to say they encouraged it is misleading and serves no good purpose here. The city council and mayor oked it and the prosecutor sent over sheriffs to tell them it was illegal. The owners made their choice to stay open anyway.

 

So the sheriffs office talked to someone about the topic.

 

I wasn't there. Were you?

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The information available about the Ferndale clinic appears to suggest that they were doing things at the time of the raid that they were not doing when the cops first "OKed" the existance of the establishment.

 

Now there's a couple of versions about what was OKed.

 

I wasn't there. Were you?

 

How much of what was said is a part of public record?

 

How much of what was said was shared with the defendants?

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"I understand what you propose to do. Please do so. That way we can arrest you and use you for a "test case.""

 

If that were what the Oakland county sheriffs office had honestly said, there may not have been any clinic to raid.

 

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You don't go to the sheriff to get interpretation on the law. The clinic should have approached the prosecutor's office. Lawyers, not cops.

Really discussion of this is useless iunless we know exactly what was going on there when they first opened and what was going on when raided. Maybe they represented to the sheriff that they were going to transfer to their own registered patients? I dont know.

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This is a massive untested area of law. We don't need our officials misleading persons that wish to be law abiding citizens.

Not only that PeanutButter, but the gestapo raids of Sal Agro's home definitely played a role in the death of that poor man.

 

There just wasn't any reason to treat him, his family - or - any other person who possesses a valid card from MDCH...or, verifiable paperwork...like that. The LAW says we are protected from being arrested!

 

I'm sure you saw the panel on Fox 2 News featuring Neil Rockind (sp) - attorney for many of the folks from Ferndale, Charlie Langdon - Fox 2's legal expert and......drumroll please.....Sheriff "Alligator/Every time my lips move I lie" Bouchard.

 

Bouchard did say in the past that this WAS indeed a test case and how he wanted this to force the legislature to change the law.

 

Then, on tv...he back-tracked from those comments. What a POS!

 

If my wife had been one of the people who was thrown on the floor, had a gun pointed at her, or roughed up in any way...I wouldn't be able to type this message on this keyboard and there's a good chance that lying POS Douchard wouldn't have been on the aforementioned tv show.

 

One of these days, they are going to pick on someone who isn't going to take this crap lying down!

 

 

Mizerman

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I wasn't there. Were you?

 

 

My point exactly.

 

Your postings would suggest that LEO checked the place out and gave it the OK and that somehow that "stamp of approval" was a guaranteed promise not to raid them regardless of what/how anything changed moving forward...such as legal or illegal quantities, transfers in the parking lot, etc.

 

From the article Happy Guy linked: "Police ordered everyone to the ground. They arrested co-owners and workers, and seized four pounds of marijuana, nine plants, money from the safe and two cash registers, the handgun, and a ledger with names of people who bought medical marijuana."

 

Do you think there were four pounds of marijuana at the location if/when the cops first checked the place out?

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Then, on Aug. 26, Myers said he went to the dispensary with an ounce of marijuana from the sheriff department’s evidence room to do a “reverse buy.” He called his product “Evan’s Bubble Berry” and showed it to Agro in a back room.

 

Agro questioned the chemical smell and asked another defendant, Ryan Fleissner, 30, of Livonia for his opinion. Myers testified that Agro said he could only sell it as a mid-grade or give it to “Chef Nick” to use in food. Myers said he originally was offered $160 but he got $140 cash and a receipt.

 

http://www.dailytribune.com/articles/2010/11/05/news/doc4cd4bcfd0b741636898022.txt

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Then, on Aug. 26, Myers said he went to the dispensary with an ounce of marijuana from the sheriff department’s evidence room to do a “reverse buy.” He called his product “Evan’s Bubble Berry” and showed it to Agro in a back room.

 

Agro questioned the chemical smell and asked another defendant, Ryan Fleissner, 30, of Livonia for his opinion. Myers testified that Agro said he could only sell it as a mid-grade or give it to “Chef Nick” to use in food. Myers said he originally was offered $160 but he got $140 cash and a receipt.

 

http://www.dailytribune.com/articles/2010/11/05/news/doc4cd4bcfd0b741636898022.txt

 

Not reported in the newspaper was that, on at least one occasion, the recording device was left turned on after the officer left the clinic. And that the device recorded conversions between officers.

 

I was in the courtroom for that.

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