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PB is one of the most compassionate people I know. We disagree on many issues, but that doesn't make him any less of a friend or his oil any less of a miracle. Nobody should ever go to jail over the use of a plant. God's laws forbid it. Let's set up our systems the way we want it set up. The way that is most beneficial to the patient and the caregivers. Business will flourish with the movement and all should reap the benefits of both the medicine and economic development. Thanks for your post, Bb

 

I understand that GW pharmaceuticals is sniffing around to try to understand what I'm doing with this oil.

 

They could try asking me ..

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I understand that GW pharmaceuticals is sniffing around to try to understand what I'm doing with this oil.

 

They could try asking me ..

That's ridiculous! They are so far ahead of you they don't need your help. Come back down to reality for a second. LOL You can make oil, so what? We all can.

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That's ridiculous! They are so far ahead of you they don't need your help. Come back down to reality for a second. LOL You can make oil, so what? We all can.

 

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IBM thought they were so far ahead of Bill Gates...

Some say they can do, some do...

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-rJ-6hBfSo

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Give me a break. They actually have clinical trials. I'm not talking about parading patients on YouTube either. LOL I can't believe how far some people can get from reality. Oil can be made by any of us and it's a sin to say it any other way. Free access to knowledge. Cut the exclusionary BS. Bob Marley would be on my side.

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Give me a break. They actually have clinical trials. I'm not talking about parading patients on YouTube either. LOL I can't believe how far some people can get from reality. Oil can be made by any of us and it's a sin to say it any other way. Free access to knowledge. Cut the exclusionary BS. Bob Marley would be on my side.

 

 

interesting take on reality...u know what is sin just by speech patern and who' side a dead person would b on...

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Oil is just made from cannabis. If you have cannabis you have oil. There is no secret key. There is no secret recipe. It is our oil. That is a wonderful reality. Enjoy it.

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been researching every resource available on simpson oil, etc for over a month

got some very real potential

 

correct me if i am wrong but pb diffuser kit = olive oil bottle and his blessing....no cannabis whatsoever...$75

what makes his olive oil better than the $7.50 oil i buy at worldmart? maybe a special blessing? dunno but our research indicates Nothing

cannabis oil works..plain old olive oil not so much

just to be clear pb oil(as sold in the difuser kit) is not simpson oil...so what is it? regular old olive oil(blessed by pb) marked up %1000

 

yeah thats who we want to negotiate our rights...not

 

just because we poor broken and discarded dont mean we stupid.

 

you guys in your ivory towers forget one thing..us little people the ones with both feet on the ground.

 

I must have missed your both feet at the rallies, social events, and club meetings. And do point out this ivory tower - all I see is I am on the ground fighting. I am a patient, and a grower - I need the same rights you do.

 

I checked out PB's oil, - you say its just olive oil - but why did it smell like cannaoil? Why did it have a slight greener tint, like cannaoil, and why did it work as advertised? His kit that he offers - you still have to add the 'lawful restricted ingredient' - if you want to make it yourself - otherwise - buy it already infused from PB. Lets just make sure this is not just a personal attack, as PB has done a lot for the community - we have heard of him, not you. If you want to sell your own oil - calulate the cost of the bottles, the distribution, and the fact that he sells to cover the patients who can't pay for it - you might be close in price too.

 

2011 is a new year coming up, new chances to get out and be an activist. This is not a holier than thou attitude - we love helping patients.

 

-DN

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I must have missed your both feet at the rallies, social events, and club meetings. And do point out this ivory tower - all I see is I am on the ground fighting. I am a patient, and a grower - I need the same rights you do.

 

I checked out PB's oil, - you say its just olive oil - but why did it smell like cannaoil? Why did it have a slight greener tint, like cannaoil, and why did it work as advertised? His kit that he offers - you still have to add the 'lawful restricted ingredient' - if you want to make it yourself - otherwise - buy it already infused from PB. Lets just make sure this is not just a personal attack, as PB has done a lot for the community - we have heard of him, not you. If you want to sell your own oil - calulate the cost of the bottles, the distribution, and the fact that he sells to cover the patients who can't pay for it - you might be close in price too.

 

2011 is a new year coming up, new chances to get out and be an activist. This is not a holier than thou attitude - we love helping patients.

 

-DN

 

And the doctors say "can we have a sample?" She said no .. :)

 

They want to do the MRI all over again. MS lesions don't just go away. The latest MRI must have been done wrong ..

 

They nearly killed her with the last MRI. Her system already had metal poisoning. And they hit her with the contrast die anyway.

 

Her kidneys shut down from the toxins.

 

The next day she tossed some of that oil on her back. Within ten minutes she had to urinate. And urinate four more times over the next three hours.

 

She goes to see a kidney specialist. They give her an eight hour test. Lots of fluids. No urine.

At the end of the test she pulls out the little bottle of oil. Puts some on her back. Five minuets later she has to urinate.

 

"WHAT ARE YOU DOING???"

 

"Fixing what you can't."

 

"Can we have a sample?"

 

"screw you"

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Thought I would chime in on this great op-ed, and some of the comments in this thread.

 

First off, Michael, excellent job on the op-ed, with the limits placed on you. I feel 600 words is hardly enough to touch on the basics, yet you did a great job of it.

 

Now on to the topic at hand, dispensaries and whether or not there should be legislation to regulate them. Generally speaking, there are 2 opinions concerning dispensaries, 1)They are implicitly allowed under the law and therefore legal; or 2)They are not mentioned in the law and therefore are illegal. Regardless of where your opinion falls as stated previously, one need recognize that future clarification of what a dispensary is and what it is or isn't allowed to do is coming.

 

We as a community need to decide on which side of the issue we will stand. My personal belief is that any regulating and or defining of what a dispensary is cannot impede the rights already given to us under the MMMAct. Which means that it will have to be new legislation and strictly confined to a newly created definition of dispensaries. If one believes dispensaries are not allowed under current law, any regulations included in the new law will not effect the current protections and rights afforded under the MMMAct. In the alternative, if any of the protections or rights provided under the MMMAct are to be modified or limited in an attempt to regulate dispensaries, then a 75% majority in both houses would be required to do so.

 

In the mean time I have my fears of big money flooding into the state attempting to influence such legislation, trying to interfere in the patient/caregiver system we have, and or making it impossible for somebody to grow their own. I do understand however, that there is a need and desire by many to have more choices and availability of medicines. The latter will lead the way for me personally, for now; as I believe allowing patients the most access and availability is always the most responsible and compassionate way. If at anytime the powers that be (government, businesses, etc...) attempt to start limiting that choice, or more importantly interfering in the patient/caregiver dynamic, I would have to reevaluate my position.

 

Just some quick thoughts, hope they make sense.

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No idea at all what he is talking about .. like i figured .. completely clueless

I understand that you are saying that you have some sort of secret recipe for 'your oil'. When really it's just about cannabis and we all can make it. I'm an advocate for training others to make cannabis oil, not selling some secret recipe. LOL You wish we were all clueless.

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Thought I would chime in on this great op-ed, and some of the comments in this thread.

 

First off, Michael, excellent job on the op-ed, with the limits placed on you. I feel 600 words is hardly enough to touch on the basics, yet you did a great job of it.

 

Now on to the topic at hand, dispensaries and whether or not there should be legislation to regulate them. Generally speaking, there are 2 opinions concerning dispensaries, 1)They are implicitly allowed under the law and therefore legal; or 2)They are not mentioned in the law and therefore are illegal. Regardless of where your opinion falls as stated previously, one need recognize that future clarification of what a dispensary is and what it is or isn't allowed to do is coming.

 

We as a community need to decide on which side of the issue we will stand. My personal belief is that any regulating and or defining of what a dispensary is cannot impede the rights already given to us under the MMMAct. Which means that it will have to be new legislation and strictly confined to a newly created definition of dispensaries. If one believes dispensaries are not allowed under current law, any regulations included in the new law will not effect the current protections and rights afforded under the MMMAct. In the alternative, if any of the protections or rights provided under the MMMAct are to be modified or limited in an attempt to regulate dispensaries, then a 75% majority in both houses would be required to do so.

 

In the mean time I have my fears of big money flooding into the state attempting to influence such legislation, trying to interfere in the patient/caregiver system we have, and or making it impossible for somebody to grow their own. I do understand however, that there is a need and desire by many to have more choices and availability of medicines. The latter will lead the way for me personally, for now; as I believe allowing patients the most access and availability is always the most responsible and compassionate way. If at anytime the powers that be (government, businesses, etc...) attempt to start limiting that choice, or more importantly interfering in the patient/caregiver dynamic, I would have to reevaluate my position.

 

Just some quick thoughts, hope they make sense.

I believe we should see how patient to patient transfers work out in court first. If it isn't broke why fix it? Maybe dispensaries can get a pass yet.

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I believe we should see how patient to patient transfers work out in court first. If it isn't broke why fix it? Maybe dispensaries can get a pass yet.

Even the MSP says that patient to patients are covered. ;)

 

To answer your question though, perhaps by legislating exactly what a dispensary is and how they may conduct themselves, it will take the temptation of screwing with such places out of the minds of overzealous prosecutors, and might just save some tax dollars. It might just save some families from being put through the nightmare that our court system has become.

 

Whether or not we want such legislation, it will be coming down the pipe. Attempting to get a consensus in our community on how and what such legislation should deal with before it hits the fan, seems like a smart move, even if later it is proven to be unnecessary.

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Why not a flat NO??? We don't want any? Why budge at all? Nothing in it for us patients at all. We don't need any stinking legislation.

Neither you nor I speak for all patients, or what they need or want. Some patients do want and or need dispensaries, and therefore they should have that option, as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights and protections of the rest of us.

 

Simple as that.

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Of course you are right.

I have yet to see any dispensary language that didn't effect patient grows. There are no state run models that do not mess it up for most patients. The newest language is the worst.

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Here's an idea for all involved that is working elsewhere. Let's say you want to find a strain that works for you. you visit a dispensary and find a strain that you like and it is effective for your condition. Now keep in mind that most dispensaries have a "menu" that changes daily. now here it is a month later & you want/need the same strain but the dispensary does not have it in stock.

Here's the idea, you can try another strain or the dispensary can get hold of the caregiver that is growing that particular strain that the patient wants or needs.The dispensary relays the info to the caregiver. The caregiver can then privately contact the patient in need and a private "get together" can be arranged. The patient gets the strain from the grower/caregiver instead of the dispensary.

This would be a great service the dispensaries could provide for the patients

 

Great for the grower/caregivers too

thanks......

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Here's an idea for all involved that is working elsewhere. Let's say you want to find a strain that works for you. you visit a dispensary and find a strain that you like and it is effective for your condition. Now keep in mind that most dispensaries have a "menu" that changes daily. now here it is a month later & you want/need the same strain but the dispensary does not have it in stock.

Here's the idea, you can try another strain or the dispensary can get hold of the caregiver that is growing that particular strain that the patient wants or needs.The dispensary relays the info to the caregiver. The caregiver can then privately contact the patient in need and a private "get together" can be arranged. The patient gets the strain from the grower/caregiver instead of the dispensary.

This would be a great service the dispensaries could provide for the patients

 

Great for the grower/caregivers too

thanks......

 

Thank you for another suggestion that, if implemented, would help individual human beings by keeping their access open to effective medicines. 33wulwkjpg.gif

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i agree the state needs to allow dispensaries, but i could see them trying to pull some crap like "ok you can have dispensaries, but you can't grow your own anymore as a result"

 

another downside is that dispensaries are EXTREMELY expensive as compared to most patient/caregiver relationships. dispensaries charge top-dollar street prices, OR MORE - while at the same time no patient would ever expect to pay 400/oz or 20/gram with their caregiver arrangement. i dont really see how dispensaries could compete with that.

Freed and company. Ron knows all about this.

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yo knottwhole,

 

And where is freed the greed 2day...no where!

The people he was associated with are still doing the same thing Freed did Ron. They do it more behind the scenes now. You see it if you are watching the united dispensaries operate with their lobbyist and bribes. How's that working? Thank God it's not working very well when you see one dispensary owner applaud a moritorium and his operation goes down within a week. Was it Karma or just the feds? Take your pick.

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The people he was associated with are still doing the same thing Freed did Ron. They do it more behind the scenes now. You see it if you are watching the united dispensaries operate with their lobbyist and bribes. How's that working? Thank God it's not working very well when you see one dispensary owner applaud a moritorium and his operation goes down within a week. Was it Karma or just the feds? Take your pick.

 

 

420PeaceOnEarth Happy Guy,

 

They may b doing things similiar.

But here is my take.

 

Marijuana has been the victim of probition and maybe the most effective onslaught of propaganda in the history of media...

All this time Marijuana Lovers hve dreamed and planed what they would do if they could get rid of some of the legal liability.

So now a lot of people r working their plans.

Some will win in the Market Place of Ideas.

When I was a kid in the 60's there was 500 Snowmobiles Companies...

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