When Nothing Helps

[David1946]

"the past few days have been really bad and nothing is helping to even take the edge off. not getting much sleep and its hard to eat because of the nausea from the pain"

 

I got that in an email from a friend of our family who is having real trouble finding some relief. he is a patient and has several strains to choose from but because of his injuries nothing is helping.

 

His wife has tried all the stand by's. Hot and cold, light stretching, meditation, and so on. He does still need to use narcotic pills but those aren't helping either. Dale was injured in an motorcycle accident two years ago when a truck left turned in front of him.

 

broke both femurs, left hip, left arm in several places, fractured both orbital sockets, skull fracture, broken jaw, lost all his teeth. He walks (Thank God) with the aid of a walker but mostly he uses his wheel chair. Dale is only 57 years old and a good guy.

 

I am asking for suggestions I can pass along that may give this guy some relief. His wife said someone suggested hypnotism and if anyone in the community has used that let me know.

 

Thanks to all who have sent suggestions its really appreciated.

 

Dale has tried medibles, capsules, hashish, and he uses a vaporizer. Dale is like many unfortunately whose injuries set the patient up for a life time of suffering.

 

Was hoping that someone may of heard of a new treatment or.... the alternative community is always good about surprising the world with something spectacular every now and then.

 

David

12/16/10

7:50 PM

Edited December 17, 2010 by David1946

[Guest Happy Guy]

Has he tried medibles? Since he has access to medicine he could try switching it up with medibles. Make some butter and use it to make cookies. Set the oven at 310 and you will enhance the CBD to THC ratio. Worth a try.

[peanutbutter]

Has he tried medibles? Since he has access to medicine he could try switching it up with medibles. Make some butter and use it to make cookies. Set the oven at 310 and you will enhance the CBD to THC ratio. Worth a try.

 

One of the most powerful pain killers in marijuana is caryophyllene. This compound is responsible for the taste and smell of black pepper. Some strains have more of it than others.

 

If you stick you nose in the bag and it makes you want to sneeze, it probably has a usable amount of this compound in it.

 

Caryophyllene has a boiling point of 246 degrees F.

 

If you warm the herb to 310F you will insure that all of that pain killer is gone before you eat it.

 

Here is information about caryophyllene:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=caryophyllene+pain

[Guest Happy Guy]

If you can get some, have him try eating some duff, vaporizer leftovers.

[Grow Thread]

Has he tried medibles? Since he has access to medicine he could try switching it up with medibles. Make some butter and use it to make cookies. Set the oven at 310 and you will enhance the CBD to THC ratio. Worth a try.

 

+rep

 

great answer.

 

go for the medibles.....

[Guest Happy Guy]

One of the most powerful pain killers in marijuana is caryophyllene. This compound is responsible for the taste and smell of black pepper. Some strains have more of it than others.

 

If you stick you nose in the bag and it makes you want to sneeze, it probably has a usable amount of this compound in it.

 

Caryophyllene has a boiling point of 246 degrees F.

 

If you warm the herb to 310F you will insure that all of that pain killer is gone before you eat it.

 

Here is information about caryophyllene:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=caryophyllene+pain

I was going for the sweet spot between the THC9 and the CBD. It helps my patients and myself with nerve pain. I would only recommend what has worked. The oven will spike over 310 at times. Hopefully, staying below 320 and keeping all the CBD.

 

 

Phytocannabinoids - Boiling Points and Properties

-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC)

Boiling point: 157*C / 314.6F

Properties: Euphoriant, Analgesic, Anti-inflammatory, Antioxidant, Antiemetic

 

Cannabidiol (CBD)

Boiling point: 160-180*C / 320-356F

Properties: Anxiolytic, Analgesic, Antipsychotic, Anti-inflammatory, Antioxidant,

Antispasmodic

 

Cannabinol (CBN)

Boiling point: 185*C / 365F

Properties: Oxidation, Sedative, Antibiotic

 

Cannabichromene (CBC)

Boiling point: 220*C / 428F

Properties: Anti-inflammatory, Antibiotic, Antifungal

 

-8-tetrahydrocannabinol (-8-THC)

Boiling point: 175-178*C / 347-352.4F

Properties: Resembles -9-THC, Less psychoactive, more stable Antiemetic

 

Tetrahydrocannabivarin (THCV)

Boiling point: 220*C / 428F

Properties: Analgesic, Euphoriant

 

Terpenoid Essential Oils - Boiling Points and Properties

9-myrcene

Boiling point: 166-168*C / 330.8-334.4F

Properties: Analgesic. Anti-inflammatory, Antibiotic, Antimutagenic

 

9-caryophyllene

Boiling point: 119*C / 246.2F

Properties: Anti-inflammatory, Cytoprotective (gastric mucosa), Antimalarial

 

d-limonene

Boiling point: 177*C / 350.6F

Properties: Cannabinoid agonist, Immune potentiator, Antidepressant, Antimutagenic

 

Linalool

Boiling point: 198*C / 388.4F

Properties: Sedative, Antidepressant, Anxiolytic, Immune potentiator

 

Pulegone

Boiling point: 224*C / 435.2F

Properties: Memory booster, AChE inhibitor, Sedative, Antipyretic

 

1,8-cineole (eucalyptol)

Boiling point: 176*C / 348.8F

Properties: AChE inhibitor, Increases cerebral blood flow, Stimulant, Antibiotic, Antiviral,

Anti-inflammatory, Antinociceptive

 

=-pinene

Boiling point: 156*C / 312.8F

Properties: Anti-inflammatory, Bronchodilator, Stimulant, Antibiotic, Antineoplastic, AChE

inhibitor

 

=-terpineol

Boiling point: 217-218*C / 422.6-424.4F

Properties: Sedative, Antibiotic, AChE inhibitor, Antioxidant, Antimalarial

 

Terpineol-4-ol

Boiling point: 209*C / 408.2F

Properties: AChE inhibitor. Antibiotic

 

p-cymene

Boiling point: 177*C / 350.6F

Properties: Antibiotic, Anticandidal, AChE inhibitor

 

Borneol

Boiling point: 210*C / 410F

Properties: Antibiotic, -3-carene 0.004% 168 Anti-inflammatory

 

-3-carene

Boiling point: 168*C / 334.4F

Properties: Anti-inflammatory

 

Flavonoid and Phytosterol Components - Boiling Points and Properties

Apigenin

Boiling point: 178*C / 352.4F

Properties: Anxiolytic, Anti-inflammatory, Estrogenic

 

Quercetin

Boiling point: 250*C / 482F

Properties: Antioxidant, Antimutagenic, Antiviral, Antineoplastic

 

Cannflavin A

Boiling point: 182*C / 359.6F

Properties: COX inhibitor, LO inhibitor

 

9-sitosterol

Boiling point: 134*C / 273.2F

Properties: Anti-inflammatory, 5-=-reductase, inhibitor

[Grow Thread]

I was going for the sweet spot between the THC9 and the CBD. It helps my patients and myself with nerve pain. I would only recommend what has worked. The oven will spike over 310 at times. Hopefully, staying below 320 and keeping all the CBD.

 

 

Phytocannabinoids - Boiling Points and Properties

-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC)

Boiling point: 157*C / 314.6F

Properties: Euphoriant, Analgesic, Anti-inflammatory, Antioxidant, Antiemetic

 

Cannabidiol (CBD)

Boiling point: 160-180*C / 320-356F

Properties: Anxiolytic, Analgesic, Antipsychotic, Anti-inflammatory, Antioxidant,

Antispasmodic

 

Cannabinol (CBN)

Boiling point: 185*C / 365F

Properties: Oxidation, Sedative, Antibiotic

 

Cannabichromene (CBC)

Boiling point: 220*C / 428F

Properties: Anti-inflammatory, Antibiotic, Antifungal

 

-8-tetrahydrocannabinol (-8-THC)

Boiling point: 175-178*C / 347-352.4F

Properties: Resembles -9-THC, Less psychoactive, more stable Antiemetic

 

Tetrahydrocannabivarin (THCV)

Boiling point: 220*C / 428F

Properties: Analgesic, Euphoriant

 

Terpenoid Essential Oils - Boiling Points and Properties

9-myrcene

Boiling point: 166-168*C / 330.8-334.4F

Properties: Analgesic. Anti-inflammatory, Antibiotic, Antimutagenic

 

9-caryophyllene

Boiling point: 119*C / 246.2F

Properties: Anti-inflammatory, Cytoprotective (gastric mucosa), Antimalarial

 

d-limonene

Boiling point: 177*C / 350.6F

Properties: Cannabinoid agonist, Immune potentiator, Antidepressant, Antimutagenic

 

Linalool

Boiling point: 198*C / 388.4F

Properties: Sedative, Antidepressant, Anxiolytic, Immune potentiator

 

Pulegone

Boiling point: 224*C / 435.2F

Properties: Memory booster, AChE inhibitor, Sedative, Antipyretic

 

1,8-cineole (eucalyptol)

Boiling point: 176*C / 348.8F

Properties: AChE inhibitor, Increases cerebral blood flow, Stimulant, Antibiotic, Antiviral,

Anti-inflammatory, Antinociceptive

 

=-pinene

Boiling point: 156*C / 312.8F

Properties: Anti-inflammatory, Bronchodilator, Stimulant, Antibiotic, Antineoplastic, AChE

inhibitor

 

=-terpineol

Boiling point: 217-218*C / 422.6-424.4F

Properties: Sedative, Antibiotic, AChE inhibitor, Antioxidant, Antimalarial

 

Terpineol-4-ol

Boiling point: 209*C / 408.2F

Properties: AChE inhibitor. Antibiotic

 

p-cymene

Boiling point: 177*C / 350.6F

Properties: Antibiotic, Anticandidal, AChE inhibitor

 

Borneol

Boiling point: 210*C / 410F

Properties: Antibiotic, -3-carene 0.004% 168 Anti-inflammatory

 

-3-carene

Boiling point: 168*C / 334.4F

Properties: Anti-inflammatory

 

Flavonoid and Phytosterol Components - Boiling Points and Properties

Apigenin

Boiling point: 178*C / 352.4F

Properties: Anxiolytic, Anti-inflammatory, Estrogenic

 

Quercetin

Boiling point: 250*C / 482F

Properties: Antioxidant, Antimutagenic, Antiviral, Antineoplastic

 

Cannflavin A

Boiling point: 182*C / 359.6F

Properties: COX inhibitor, LO inhibitor

 

9-sitosterol

Boiling point: 134*C / 273.2F

Properties: Anti-inflammatory, 5-=-reductase, inhibitor

 

another +rep.

 

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[peanutbutter]

I'll say it again.

 

heating above 246F will absolutely destroy important pain killing properties of the herb.

[Guest Happy Guy]

I'll say it again.

 

heating above 246F will absolutely destroy important pain killing properties of the herb.

You already said it, no need to filibuster. You can get the Caryophyllene from eating some hot peppers. So if your patient needs it, give him some peppers too. You have to be flexible. Everyone is a different puzzle.

[peanutbutter]

You can get the Caryophyllene from eating some hot peppers.

 

Could you document that, please?

 

I don't believe it exists in red peppers.

[Guest Happy Guy]

If all the painkiller was gone at 246 degrees F then a whole lot of medibles wouldn't work. We patients know better. Go lay down man.

[Grow Thread]

Go lay down man.

 

woah woah..... its all good.

 

calm down man.

 

serioulsy..... calm down

[Grow Thread]

Could you document that, please?

 

I don't believe it exists in red peppers.

 

i actually think that it does exist in red peppers.

 

not trying to be the "one upper" but im fairly sure its in a lot of red pepper strains

[Guest Happy Guy]

Here PB with a big hug. Go on down to the health food store and buy all the caryophyllene you want;

http://www.herbspro.com/66526/CopaibaOil.htm

[Guest Happy Guy]

i actually think that it does exist in red peppers.

 

not trying to be the "one upper" but im fairly sure its in a lot of red pepper strains

I like to admit when I'm wrong and I was. It was a different pain killer;

http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2007/10/chili-pepper-pain-killer.ars

[boroboro]

I hadn't heard of this volatile caryophyllene before, so I looked it up also. Wikipedia isn't the best source of real hard data, but there seem to be references behind these numbers:

 

 

The approximate quantity of caryophyllene in the essential oil of each source is given in square brackets ([ ]):

 

• Cannabis, hemp, marijuana (Cannabis sativa)^[2] [3.8–37.5% of cannabis flower essential oil]^[6]
• Black Caraway (Carum nigrum) [7.8%]^[7]
• Cloves (Syzygium aromaticum)^[1] [3.56% of clove bud essential oil]^[8]
• Hops (Humulus lupulus)^[9] [5.1–14.5%]^[10]
• Basil (Ocimum spp.)^[11] [5.3–10.5% O. gratissimum; 4.0–19.8% O. micranthum]^[12]
• Oregano (Origanum vulgare)^[13] [4.9%]^[14]
• Black pepper (Piper nigrum) [7.29%]^[15]
• West African Pepper (Piper guineense) [57.59% (black); 51.75% (white)]^[15]
• Rosemary (Rosmarinus officinalis)^[3] [0.1–8.3%]^[16]
• True cinnamon (Cinnamomum zeylanicum) [6.9–11.1%]^[17]
• Malabathrum (Cinnamomum tamala) [25.3%]^[18]

http://en.wikipedia....i/Caryophyllene

[Grow Thread]

I like to admit when I'm wrong and I was. It was a different pain killer;

http://arstechnica.c...pain-killer.ars

 

then i was wrong too??

 

wouldnt be the first time

[peanutbutter]

I like to admit when I'm wrong and I was. It was a different pain killer;

http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2007/10/chili-pepper-pain-killer.ars

 

caryophyllene is something I use in my topical oil.

 

The FDA has approved caryophyllene as a food additive. When used in a topical application the FDA recommends that you use no stronger than 8% as stronger mixtures will cause a skin burn.

 

Essential oil, collected from industrial hemp strains, may contain up to 35% caryophyllene.

[Guest Happy Guy]

I hadn't heard of this volatile caryophyllene before, so I looked it up also. Wikipedia isn't the best source of real hard data, but there seem to be references behind these numbers:

Here you go;

http://babyboomerboosters.com/blog/inflammation-copaiba-and-medical-marijuana-connection/

Buy it; http://www.herbspro.com/66526/CopaibaOil.htm

[Bisharoo]

then i was wrong too??

 

wouldnt be the first time

 

We might have been thinking of a similar sounding compound, capsaicin (spelling) or something in peppers that helps with pain.

My link

[Grow Thread]

We might have been thinking of a similar sounding compound, capsaicin (spelling) or something in peppers that helps with pain.

My link

 

thanks for the help bish.... i think you might be right

[lkline300]

I have found that medibals do work best.

 

I do take gabapentin just for the pain from damaged nerve endings.. It has a few side effects. mainly fatigue & appetite issues.

 

I Try to use as little pharm's as possible but nerve pain is like a tooth ache. General pain killers don't fair so well.

[DLD420]

Very good article about using raw plant leaves and bud and juicing them and mixing in other types of fruit juice to mask the raw green taste. Not sure if this would work for pain though. Supposedly doesn't give you the high either. Article is in High Times Medical Marijuana issue winter 2011.