Several Medical Marijuana Providers Robbed

[+EdwardGlen]

Sign of the times or veiled attempt to plant the seeds of doubt to steal our rights under the law.

 

 

 

http://www.connectmidmichigan.com/news/story.aspx?list=194382&id=557639

 

 

 

NBC25 found out how the law is making it hard for police to protect them.

 

A warning from police to people who supply medical marijuana, thieves may rob your household.

 

“Well it’s an easy source of revenue, why grow it when you can steal it?” said Lieutenant John Mullaly with Genesee Township Police.

 

Genesee Township Police say at least four medical marijuana providers have been targeted in the last two months, but police say the law makes it hard to protect them.

 

“Under the HIPAA laws and under the health act, they are not required to give us any information, they don't register with us, we have no idea where they are at,” said Mullaly.

 

That means police can't patrol neighborhoods where medical marijuana providers live and look for suspicious activity.

 

But police believe criminals follow caregivers home from the Genesee County Compassion Club, a place where people go to smoke medical marijuana and to receive information about it.

 

“If I was to be a betting man, I would think that to be very, very possible,” said Mullaly.

 

Police say the thieves come at night, and take only marijuana and growing paraphernalia, evidence that can be hard to find.

 

“Right now it is probably up in smoke,” said Mullaly.

 

Recent layoffs at the Genesee Township Police Department have also put a strain on solving drug-related crimes.

 

“I can't dedicate people to enforce medical marijuana laws, but on the other hand I have to enforce marijuana laws for prosecution,” said Mullaly.

 

Police say so far there are no suspects in the robberies.

 

Genesee Township police say medical marijuana providers in Flint Township and Mt. Morris Township have also been broken into.

[Guest Happy Guy]

This is propaganda from law enforcement. They can't protect anyone if they can't protect growing patients. I mean come on now, everyone has something to steal. Protect everyone. They act like they need to provide extra patrols around a patients house. How ridiculous is that? They were the crime capitol before the medical marijuana law was even in effect. Medical patients probably caused the record number of murders too right? ridiculous There are criminals that live in Gennesee County and they are not patients, that's the point. Do your job.

[Cresscendo]

A warning from police to people who have money, thieves may rob your household.

 

“Well it’s an easy source of revenue, why get a job when you can steal it?” said Lieutenant J.M. with Genesee Township Police.

 

Genesee Township Police say at least four wealthy individuals have been targeted in the last two months, but police say the law makes it hard to protect them.

 

 

 

But police believe criminals follow them home from the bank, a place where people go to store large sums of money for safe keeping.

 

“If I was to be a betting man, I would think that to be very, very possible,” said M.

 

Police say the thieves come at night, and take only cash and jewelry, evidence that can be hard to find.

 

 

 

Recent layoffs at the Genesee Township Police Department have also put a strain on solving robbery related crimes.

 

“I can't dedicate people to enforce the law, but on the other hand I have to enforce laws for prosecution,” said M.

 

Police say so far there are no suspects in the robberies.

 

Genesee Township police say wealthy individuals in Flint Township and Mt. Morris Township have also been broken into.

 

 

 

Replace a few words and this would sound ludicrous to anyone. I reflect Happy Guy's sentiments. Do your job. Don't blame a medical marijuana law on your ineffective police work. Realize that if you spent less time enforcing the laws, you'd have more time protecting the individuals who voted them. Even then, it's not medical marijuana's fault that the police department is under-manned. It's a robbery. You investigate it as that, and nothing more. Don't blame the law on your inability to protect the people you serve.

[ddrew]

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“Under the HIPAA laws and under the health act, they are not required to give us any information, they don't register with us, we have no idea where they are at,” said Mullaly.

 

That means police can't patrol neighborhoods where medical marijuana providers live and look for suspicious activity.

 

Oh sure Officer Mullaly, let me run right down to the station and give you my address and full grow details, I'm sure all you will do is provide extra security for me.

Yeah right

[phaquetoo]

Gee let me see!?! should I register with the state as a pt/grower or pt/cg/grower?

 

Im sure some of you have seen some of my outragious attempts on locating a c.g that will agree to my terms!

Well I found one. rite in my own lil town here! (4 plants every 90 days, and if I need more awsome prices) I already recieved a free zip from this person, I had to continue to cure it, Which I knew ahead of time! c.g will be ready in about 5 weeks to sign me on and give me 4 grown untouched, just uprooted plants for me to dry and cure on my own!!

 

I have had 3 court cases for possesion (simple possesion) and a Child Protective Services investigation! Im done!!

 

I dont need the hassle of L.E! I dont need the electric bills, and I dont need to worry about some one stealing my plants, or raiding my house and taking kids, lites, plants, etc!

 

Save it! Dont even tell me they cant take your kids!!! Dont bother to copy and paiste the part of the law that protects me!! SAVE IT!

 

 

Untill you have walked im my shoes, into the court rooms and C.P.S! dont waiste your time!

 

I am not going to court to get my kids back!

 

I am not going to jail or court any more for this cause!

 

Good Luck to all Who have cases pending in court! You are All in my prayers, especialy you Bob and Torie!

 

 

Merry Christmas All! and Happy New Year!

Peace

FTW

JIm

[DenturesLost]

Replace a few words and this would sound ludicrous to anyone. I reflect Happy Guy's sentiments. Do your job. Don't blame a medical marijuana law on your ineffective police work. Realize that if you spent less time enforcing the laws, you'd have more time protecting the individuals who voted them. Even then, it's not medical marijuana's fault that the police department is under-manned. It's a robbery. You investigate it as that, and nothing more. Don't blame the law on your inability to protect the people you serve.

That's funny.

 

And what does this mean? “I can't dedicate people to enforce the law, but on the other hand I have to enforce laws for prosecution,”

[+EdwardGlen]

It makes an even more compelling argument about the bravery and compassion of our caregivers and growing community. Despite the danger of growing marijuana for sick people, our caregivers/growing patients will not abandon their patients. Our whole community should be proud. The thieves will eventually be caught. A crime is a crime regardless if it involves medical marijuana or not. Thanks, Joe

 

Absolutely! His attempt to suggest crimes committed against anyone in the medical marijuana community as being their fault is degrading and unethical if you ask me. Is that how he approaches the crimes he investigates? "Oh! You were out walking after dark its your fault you were mugged" case closed!

 

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL

[LITLJON]

Aside from the bias article the fact remains these attacks are happening!! I mentioned a little while ago in a post, I think it had ccw in the title any how it was about these people that got robed on the street they took money $5-6 large and herb but that wasn't the end the thugs came that same night to there residence and hit them again taking more money, herb, Weapons, and personal items (Id's, family pictures) threatening life's of family and friends don't forget shooting animals and worse. More than 30 times this has happen. I'm not trying to create fear. These are facts as I know them. I also have heard(this is hearsay 90% reliable) that they have some men in custody for these hits. This has been going on for about two months and the press is just now writing about it.

The thing is you can't blame it on Medical Marijuana these thugs had more than likely had done it before but they were hitting street dealers that wouldn't report it to LEO.IMO

[davidl]

Oh sure Officer Mullaly, let me run right down to the station and give you my address and full grow details, I'm sure all you will do is provide extra security for me.

Yeah right

lol....what is this....that cop is silly

[ddrew]

It may have been discussed on here before, but I didn't see it, I know it's been debated a great deal on ICmag.

 

Guns and growing.

 

A lot people say this is a big no no, but if the police are not going to protect you and your family, then it's up to you.

 

The robbers that show up at my house will be very sorry, and there's a very good chance that it's the last mistake they will ever make.

 

I'm a peaceful, easy going guy, and It would haunt me forever if I had to shoot someone, but if they are in my house, and it comes down to me or them, I won't hesitate.

[Grow Thread]

It makes an even more compelling argument about the bravery and compassion of our caregivers and growing community. Despite the danger of growing marijuana for sick people, our caregivers/growing patients will not abandon their patients. Our whole community should be proud. The thieves will eventually be caught. A crime is a crime regardless if it involves medical marijuana or not. Thanks, Joe

 

47 plus reps.

 

take my plants?? you better take my life too.

[AmishRnot4ganja]

It may have been discussed on here before, but I didn't see it, I know it's been debated a great deal on ICmag.

 

Guns and growing.

 

A lot people say this is a big no no, but if the police are not going to protect you and your family, then it's up to you.

 

The robbers that show up at my house will be very sorry, and there's a very good chance that it's the last mistake they will ever make.

 

I'm a peaceful, easy going guy, and It would haunt me forever if I had to shoot someone, but if they are in my house, and it comes down to me or them, I won't hesitate.

 

 

Right on. I don't care if it is legal or not. If someone tries to hurt me or my family, I will go down with guns blazing and feel perfectly justified in doing so.

[backintheriver]

i know of someone this happened too after going to the gccc. 3 guys kicked in his door, he stabbed one of them in the face with trimming scissors quite a fgew times and one of them shot him in the leg. at the end of the day he had one dead robber on his floor and a bullet in his leg, but he still had all his plants. i suggest everyone that is a patient or cg arm themselves with shotguns and large caliber pistols, at least a 45 ild say. also a camera just incase the people kicking in your door with guns are police and not hood rats... we need to let these rippers know that we are not scared i hope nobody trys me for their sake..... just think about the type of person that would kick down a door in flint and try to rob a marijuana grower, not good people dont feel bad thats my advice. rippers are a dying breed. for everyone scared dont worry if u dont get em someone else will thats just how it is for people going around doing b and es

[Wayne'sWorld]

"“I can't dedicate people to enforce medical marijuana laws, but on the other hand I have to enforce marijuana laws for prosecution,” said Mullaly."

 

No drug could ever make my mind work the way this guys does, simply defective, or willfully ignorant and proud of it, as so many LEO are.

[puffaway]

Unfortunately information like this is what the "dispensary advocates" will use in Lansing as ammunition to change the current MMJ laws and prevent us from growing in our own homes. Yea...as if a large commercial grow operation would be any safer when 6 guys with shotguns and black hoods on their heads ram a stolen truck through a concrete wall and take everything in the building at gunpoint (check todays news for the guys who stole a backhoe at 4 am and used it break thru the walls of a bank and take the entire ATM with $62,000 in it).

Incidents like these are no different than when criminals follow someone home after they win money in a casino and rob them...but you don't hear any hue and cry to close casinos because people are being robbed do you?

I'm not a caregiver, nor do I sell to anyone, but if I were to do so I would certainly not have any patients/customers show up at my door for this reason alone.

Unfortunately the reality of our meds is that it does attract a certain catagory of users who cannot afford to buy it and have spent much of their life ripping off drug dealers on the street to get it. Its also easy to resell on the street corner. Its probably safer to kick in the door to someone's home than it is to rob a guy on the street who might have a gun or an accomplice across the street with a weapon. Even though all of your patients seem like nice people, they might have friends who have less than honorable intentions. Be aware of that fact and don't let your patients know where you live. Sad but true....

The officer was only being realistic in his statement of the cop shop having no knowlege of where people are growing in their own homes. What he was not saying is that it would'nt have made a difference anyhow...they have no time to provide special attention to every home in their jurisdiction who is growing even if they did have a list of them. This is the information that needs to be known in Lansing....there is no need to LEO to know who is growing and who is not because they are unable to offer them any special protection anyway. Geez...you can call your local police department and tell them you are receiving mail threats, phone threats etc and they will tell you that they do not have enough officers to provide you any "special" protection. They don't have enough cops to protect a bank on a major roadway with a lighted 24 hour gas station across the street thats only a mile away from the Sheriff Department...so what difference would it make if they had a list of everyone who is growing MMJ in their homes?

Do not let these incidents be used as ammunition to change our current laws. Put them in the proper perspective....crap happens, and anyone who comes home from a bank on payday is more likely to be targeted by theives than someone who grows thier own MMJ for their own use. You are more likely to be carjacked than to be targeted by losers in your own home. But they don't want to stop you from driving your car do they?

Watch out for people who want to use these type of incidents to promote their own cause for personal enrichment...there are people out there who have never had their name show up on these forums who are waiting on the sidelines to bankroll LARGE multidispensary operations statewide (just like a CVS pharmacy). But they can't make enough profit on it until the law stops everyone from growing their own meds in their own homes and forces us to buy from a dispensary.

Use common sense to avoid being ripped off, and don't let anyone change our current laws. Hopefully case law will put an end to some of the terrible things that have happened to other legal users in the courts. But using events like home robberies of MMJ to our influence our legislators to change the existing laws is a loser for us, but a HUGE $$$$$$$ windfall for a group of people who want to make money and are waiting on the sidelines for the laws to change in their favor.

[Kingpinn]

They will put MMJ patient at the bottom of their list unless its time to come kick there doors in to rob them themselves. Police love to rob people or havnt you heard . Theres the enemy then theres the OTHER enemy . My vote is keep them both at bay

[Clear and Unambiguous]

i know of someone this happened too after going to the gccc. 3 guys kicked in his door, he stabbed one of them in the face with trimming scissors quite a fgew times and one of them shot him in the leg. at the end of the day he had one dead robber on his floor and a bullet in his leg, but he still had all his plants. i suggest everyone that is a patient or cg arm themselves with shotguns and large caliber pistols, at least a 45 ild say. also a camera just incase the people kicking in your door with guns are police and not hood rats... we need to let these rippers know that we are not scared i hope nobody trys me for their sake..... just think about the type of person that would kick down a door in flint and try to rob a marijuana grower, not good people dont feel bad thats my advice. rippers are a dying breed. for everyone scared dont worry if u dont get em someone else will thats just how it is for people going around doing b and es

 

If you were to add up all of the empty industrial buildings in MI, you would probably have an area the size of Rhode Island.

 

No rents collected, no taxes paid, property values decline, no one wins. We should be allowed to use these buildings all over the state pooling together in small groups to pay for security.

 

But no, our leaders pass bans and moratoriums, giving us no options other than residential areas. They refuse to formally sign off on such activity, leaving the DEA to investigate if things are legal. They leave nothing behind when they investigate.

 

Even worse, those that try to break such a barrier by educating public officials are often accused of trying to “change the law” and “take away others growing rights” by Patients and CGs those who claim to be “brothers” of the cause. These same people then talk about shooting people.

 

C’mon guys.

[solabeirtan]

If you are really concerned, The best thing you can do is to install your own security.

 

Should actually be a deduction on your taxes if you are in that envious position of having an income.

 

This will help protect you, possibly let you know who did it, provide evidence and assistance to LEO if necessary.

 

And provide the Reassurance and Peace of Mind necessary for Healthy Living .

 

 

 

[bigbudsnewbie]

My dogs and pistols are my security....

[phaquetoo]

My dogs and pistols are my security....

 

 

Ditto!

 

and I will have my guns and dogs as long as i have ammo!

 

merry christmas

Peace

FTW

Jim

[upnorthbudman]

Let me tell you this. The police do and say anything they want to. 1st you are sold liquor, legally, by their friend that owns the bar or the local liquor store. Then you are arrested by the judges golfing buddy. Then the prosceuter and his friend the probation officer get together at the sheriff's home for Christmas. probably to suck each other off then you go through a court system that is a complete joke. The police need no proof, what ever they say is how it happened. Then the judge who is friends with all the upstanding drunks they call officers will pass judgement on the innocent, then off to the bar to get ripped. Let one of their side mess up and it just slips under the rug. These courts and police in northern michigan are corrupt and need to be behind bars. My name is David Wilson and I live in Roscommon Michigan. I am more worried about leo then someone stealing my meds.

[Frank R]

Discretion is the better part of Valor.

MMJ is a high value fungible commodity, just like cash money, gold, jewelery, electronics, Rx drugs, etc.

Plan accordingly.

Security protocols must be followed, exposure to crimes of opportunity must be kept to a minimum.

Watch your back, make sure you are not followed, if a transaction gets weird-get out of there.

There is always someone watching to see if you're slippin'.

That's why I've been very reluctant to get involved in the CC scene, too much exposure to unknown elements at a known hot location.

 

I'm saving my money for a vest and another consultation with my lawyer regarding Open Carry with MMJ.

A CCW is nice, but a concealed weapon is not a deterrent...

 

They say, “Don’t draw attention to yourself

They’ll tear you apart for a couple a bucks

Keep your head down and keep your nose clean

’Cause people who’re scared do dangerous things”

[ddrew]

I'm saving my money for a vest and another consultation with my lawyer regarding Open Carry with MMJ.

A CCW is nice, but a concealed weapon is not a deterrent...

 

True

I had a landlord(20 years ago or more) that had an open carry permit, wore his gun on his hip like an old west gunslinger, people gave that guy a huge berth when out in public.

 

Pitbulls for when we're not home, and pistols for when we are.

That's how we do it at my house.

[+EdwardGlen]

Ditto!

 

and I will have my guns and dogs as long as i have ammo!

 

merry christmas

Peace

FTW

Jim

http://michiganmedicalmarijuana.org/index.php?app=forums&module=post&section=post&do=reply_post&f=19&t=26790&qpid=245471

Dear Santa

 

All I want this year is a Colt 1911 .45 ACP Long Slide engraved "Thumper".

[phaquetoo]

Let me tell you this. The police do and say anything they want to. 1st you are sold liquor, legally, by their friend that owns the bar or the local liquor store. Then you are arrested by the judges golfing buddy. Then the prosceuter and his friend the probation officer get together at the sheriff's home for Christmas. probably to suck each other off then you go through a court system that is a complete joke. The police need no proof, what ever they say is how it happened. Then the judge who is friends with all the upstanding drunks they call officers will pass judgement on the innocent, then off to the bar to get ripped. Let one of their side mess up and it just slips under the rug. These courts and police in northern michigan are corrupt and need to be behind bars. My name is David Wilson and I live in Roscommon Michigan. I am more worried about leo then someone stealing my meds.

 

 

well let me tell ya! You oughta be, and stay out of gerrish twp, fricking andy and barney will get you! I moved out of roscomon county, I lived in prudenville for yrs, cops are realy bad there!

 

we camped last yr off of m18 rite by the south roscomon exit, on the cut river, state land, minding our own business, burnin one, a cop walked up on me! tore my camper apart, took my loaded 22 that was in a case in my closet (I got that back the next day) but not my smoke!

 

Merry Christmas

Peace

FTW

Jim