Dr. Greenthumb Ohzone & Sour Diesel

[porcupine]

Hi everybody,

Sorry I've been away from the forum for a little while but let me catch you up on what is going on.

Currently I have 3 of Doc's OhZone's, which are Chemo x OG Kush going from seeds Doc sent me, and I have one of Doc's East Coast Sour Diesel's going from seed, which was gifted to me by a dear friend here. The OhZone is probably Doc's most potent strain from what I have heard (The Dope probably equals it though).

The plan was to do a full journal from seed to smoke report, but due to circumstances beyond my control, that made me VERY busy these past few months, and a computer crash and reformat which wiped out my initial vegetative documentation is not making that possible. That won't happen again as I bought an external hard drive for back ups. However I do have some notes from the sprouting and vegging that I kept, so I will relay those as best I can.

The seeds were soaked and placed between moist paper towels as per usual. The sprouts were planted in 6" x 6" square pots in Fox Farms Ocean Forest soil mix on 9/21/10. The seedlings all cleared the soils surface as of 9/24/10. The plants all vegged nicely and were topped standard style. I made clones of each so I can make a final selection on the OhZones for a mother after they finish, as they all three varied slightly. They all cloned easily including the Sour Diesel.

In my opinion The #1 OhZone is Sativa dominant, probably 65/35 or maybe 70/30 with a more classic Christmas tree structure. #2 is Indica dominant, probably 70/30. 80/20 is not out of the question as it was significantly bushier before topping. #3 is probably a 50/50 as it seemed to fit just about somewhere between the other two. It may lean slightly Sativa as it was a little closer to #1 structurally before topping. All three were very similar except for the bushiness of #2.

The Sour Diesel before topping, was definitely Sativa dominant with the classic Christmas Tree structure. Probably 70/30 if I were to guess. 75/25 at most.

As to products used during veg, I didn't hit them with anything except Botanicare's Liquid Karma until about thirty days, as they were in fresh Ocean Forest soil. At that point they were getting Natures Nectar three part organic fertilizer every three waterings, CalMag to put some calcium back into the R/O water, Organa Add foliarly and in solution for micro nutrients occasionally, Liquid Karma occasionally in the mixes. and some un-sulphured molasses.

 

They were all placed in the flower room on 12/01/10 under 1500 watts of Hortilux HPS -EN light bulbs, using brand new Hydrofarm Phantom 1000 watt adjustable ballasts I just purchased, and the 12/12/ cycle was started. this is the point I can start the documentation, only because I sent some pictures to Doc and was able to recover them in the sent email.

So here are the girls when they went into the flower room:

Sour Disel:

OhZone #1:

OhZone #2:

OhZone #3:

 

Here are the girls one week into the flowering process and staked up:

Sour Disel:

OZ #1:

OZ #2:

OZ #3:

 

Up to this point I have used no flowering products. At 27 days I gave them a foliar feed with Pure Flowers which is a potent phosphorous & potassium product, and a few days later they were given a foliar feed of Organa Guano. These are the last pictures I took when the girls were 28 days into the flowering cycle. The tri-chcrome development is insane on these girls already! I'll start this set of pics with the OhZone's. They are mixture of all three pheno's in no particular order:

The front three are OhZone's:

 

Now the Sour Diesel @ 28 days:

 

Well, now we are up to date and I'll keep posting pictures every week or two on these girls.

Sorry about the long read!!!

[Dr Gruber]

Looks very nice Porc!

You know I will be watching. I still havent popped my Oh Zone yet, so this should give me a good idea of whats to come.

 

 

[MightyMightyMezz]

Do the elite seeds compare favorably to the actual clones of strains like East Coast Sour Diesel? Are they "virtually identical" or not so much?

[porcupine]

Do the elite seeds compare favorably to the actual clones of strains like East Coast Sour Diesel? Are they "virtually identical" or not so much?

My experience with Doc's elite's has been identical to the original clones that I have grown and tried. I can't speak about most companies, other than that most are crosses, and not are not the real thing, so be careful who you buy from. Greenhouse Seeds (not to be confused with Greenthumb Seeds), definitely are not the same as the originals, and are just Arjans crosses that resemble the original in some form. Rezdogs and Cali Connections are basically crosses of the originals that are then backcrossed several times and selected, but are some pretty good representations.

[MightyMightyMezz]

My experience with Doc's elite's has been identical to the original clones that I have grown and tried. I can't speak about most companies, other than that most are crosses, and not are not the real thing, so be careful who you buy from. Greenhouse Seeds (not to be confused with Greenthumb Seeds), definitely are not the same as the originals, and are just Arjans crosses that resemble the original in some form. Rezdogs and Cali Connections are basically crosses of the originals that are then backcrossed several times and selected, but are some pretty good representations.

 

ECSD sounds fantastic and so do several other of the elite strains. I'm toking my first taste of another Sour Diesel cut I got and it is good. To grow the original cutting's S1s would be amazing. Cindy 99, Bubba Kush, Chem Dawg #4 and Matanuska Thunderfuckk - all those I want.

[Dr Gruber]

Do the elite seeds compare favorably to the actual clones of strains like East Coast Sour Diesel? Are they "virtually identical" or not so much?

 

 

Im growing the Docs Sour Diesel and you can see pictures in the Doc Greenthumb Bud Porn thread. A number of people with experience with the original clone says it looks exactly like it. Check it out if you wish. And I can tell you for sure that it smells and smokes like the best examples of ECSD that ive ever had. Very potant and very tastey.

[Cannastyle]

Looking really nice bro!

 

Good to see you back around.

 

Hit me up!

[porcupine]

Looking really nice bro!

 

Good to see you back around.

 

Hit me up!

Nice to hear from you bro. I'll give you a shout. I just found your emails. I haven't been checking that e-mail address for awhile, and stuffs been piling up over there. I'll hit you up with my main email address.

[porcupine]

The girls are at right 52 days into the flowering cycle right now. I really need to get some better lighting so I can show the frost on these girls, as they are just covered in tri-chromes. You will get the idea though.

 

Sour Diesel:

 

OhZone #1:

 

 

OhZone #2:

 

OhZone#3:

[Kingdiamond]

Sour Diesel:

 

OhZone #1:

 

 

OhZone #2:

 

OhZone#3:

Gotta love those colors !

 

 

Great job bro.

[TheGanz]

i second that

[porcupine]

Here are the girls at 70 days. The temps were low so ripening was delayed drastically (the OhZone's probably would have been harvested a week ago). They have been getting flushed for a week and a half now, temps are back up in range and lighting has been increased and they are piling on new growth, so I have been giving them a little un-sulfured molasses every couple waterings. Had to get the pictures under the HPS this time.

 

PS. Sorry about the few hairs you see, There was a tear in my ductwork's micron filter the other day .

I spent an hour picking with tweezers and a jewler's loop after I took the pictures , but I got them all...

The pictures were too good to waste, so you get to see my stupidity (rememember to check your filters and ductwork daily!). I'm sure glad it happened after I harvested my Bubba Kush!!! That would have been a real pain in the arse!

 

 

Sour Diesel:

 

OhZone #1:

 

 

OhZone #3:

[rockinlespaul]

I don't know HOW I missed this one....nice job porcupine! They look delicious.

[Herbeezhydro]

Nice job porcupine theylook great

how's the smell on the sour diesel ???

[porcupine]

Nice job porcupine theylook great

how's the smell on the sour diesel ???

Intense skunk, Lemon Fuel.

[MORE COWBELL]

YIELD PER PLANT?

or is this a personal stash grow?

they look nice and healthy

[porcupine]

YIELD PER PLANT?

or is this a personal stash grow?

they look nice and healthy

This was originally intended to be a complete seed to medical evaluation grow journal, but I had some family issues which distracted me for a bit, along with a computer crash where I lost all my germination and vegetative photo's because I never backed them up, so I just figured I would at least show the flowering process on the girls for everyone.

It is sure going to be a tough selection, as all three OhZone's are showing different, but very desirable qualities coming out of the cross. I was really lucky and got the three basic pheno's possible in the cross. #1 is sativa dominant with a hollow stem structure (which is a really good sign for high THC content), #2 is indica dominant with a semi-hollow stem structure, and #3 is pretty much 50/50 with a mostly solid stem structure. They all look to be really good yielder's, but I think #2 (the most Chemo leaning) is going to yield the best. I have a feeling I'll be keeping the mothers of all three around for quite some time!

I can't wait to start evaluating, as I've heard that this is a VERY POTENT strain. My guess is I am going to be able to start multi-harvesting them in another a week or so.

[AmishRnot4ganja]

This was originally intended to be a complete seed to medical evaluation grow journal, but I had some family issues which distracted me for a bit, along with a computer crash where I lost all my germination and vegetative photo's because I never backed them up, so I just figured I would at least show the flowering process on the girls for everyone.

It is sure going to be a tough selection, as all three OhZone's are showing different, but very desirable qualities coming out of the cross. I was really lucky and got the three basic pheno's possible in the cross. #1 is sativa dominant with a hollow stem structure (which is a really good sign for high THC content), #2 is indica dominant with a semi-hollow stem structure, and #3 is pretty much 50/50 with a mostly solid stem structure. They all look to be really good yielder's, but I think #2 (the most Chemo leaning) is going to yield the best. I have a feeling I'll be keeping the mothers of all three around for quite some time!

I can't wait to start evaluating, as I've heard that this is a VERY POTENT strain. My guess is I am going to be able to start multi-harvesting them in another a week or so.

 

I have been mulling over which strains of the good Dr.'s stable I will be purchasing. I decided today that I would be getting the OhZone! and either Big Laughing or OGKush. I am really disappointed that he no longer has Bubba Kush, but these other strains sound like more than adequate stand-ins. Anyway, after deciding to go with OhZone!, I was pleasantly surprised to see this report by you. It confirms that I made the right decision. Thanks.

[porcupine]

I have been mulling over which strains of the good Dr.'s stable I will be purchasing. I decided today that I would be getting the OhZone! and either Big Laughing or OGKush. I am really disappointed that he no longer has Bubba Kush, but these other strains sound like more than adequate stand-ins. Anyway, after deciding to go with OhZone!, I was pleasantly surprised to see this report by you. It confirms that I made the right decision. Thanks.

Personally, I would go with his OG Kush, Iranian/OG Kush, Iranian/Chemo, or The Dope (it is supposed to be really tasty and potent), over the Big Laughing if you are looking for potency. He has so many good strains that it makes your head hurt trying to make a descision . His Chemdawg/G13 is finally back in stock too, which sold out real quick last time around.

 

I'm sure the Bubba Kush will be back in stock pretty soon. I think he said something on this forum about tweaking his current Katsu Bubba with the Pre-98 cut to improve the yield a bit. Make sure you ask him about it if you are calling in your order and he answers. The employee's who sometime answer the phone and take orders may know too, otherwise leave your number and Doc will call you back.

[medicine21]

Sour Diesel looks to be the better yielder. Would you agree?

[porcupine]

Sour Diesel looks to be the better yielder. Would you agree?

On this run it looks to be the better yielder.

[medicine21]

You seem to have grown many of Doc's strains. Which one in your experience yielded the most? I am looking for a good SOG strain, so single cola with few side branches would be ideal. Recommendations?

[greenbeltbeltgrower]

ENDLESS SKY is a huge yielder and often under-rated. it tends to have 1 main cola that is so dense. i also think that it is a bit more stealthy as it does not have much smell unless disturbed.

[porcupine]

You seem to have grown many of Doc's strains. Which one in your experience yielded the most? I am looking for a good SOG strain, so single cola with few side branches would be ideal. Recommendations?

I would also have to say Endless Sky is a really good choice. I think the Iranian G13 would yield you some pretty hefty single cola's, as would the G-13 if pruned to a single cola and dialing it in just right. The Sour Diesel puts out some pretty hefty cola's, and I think with diligent pruning would do OK in a SOG. The Sour Diesel will stretch more if height is an issue.

[Dr Gruber]

Whats up with these?

Did you like the SD or the Sour 13 better? And how is that Oh Zone...i must know...i must know.lol