+EdwardGlen Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 (edited) MEDICAL UP-DATE STATES SHE IS ALIVE AND PROSPECT FOR RECOVERY IS GREAT BULLET WAS A 'THROUGH AND THROUGH' HEAD WOUND THAT PASSED THROUGH HER BRAIN CNN is reporting right now on shooting in Arizona at a shopping center Our thoughts go out to her and all those wounded and those lost today. Peace Edited January 8, 2011 by EdwardGlen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lwheidt Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 (edited) Gabby Giffords was a real special lady and this really makes me upset. I hope that this will make more people tone down the hate in politics. Edited January 8, 2011 by lwheidt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+EdwardGlen Posted January 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 (AP) Reporting 22 year old white male in custody for shooting of Congresswomen 'Gabby' Giffords in AZ / Federal Judge John Roll is being reported as one who was shot and killed at this event. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank R Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 It will be interesting to see if the apprehended shooter, Jared Lee Loughner, lives through the night, or if he is "suicided". 1. Are there shades of assassination and conspiracy, ala Kennedy/Oswald/Ruby here? 2. Or is Loughner a one-off FOX-radicalized nut-job, ala Tiller/Roeder? Of these two choices, I think the 2nd one is more frightening.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+EdwardGlen Posted January 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 (edited) Six people have died from wounds suffered in the attack Sheriff says Giffords was the target and there is a second suspect and they have photos. Suspect posted rant on you tube. Sheriff also said something I have been shouting for months the racist and bigoted rhetoric in America has to stop from the political main stream media. We all know which media outlets are the best at stirring up a sheet storm over nothing and blaming people of color. Edited January 9, 2011 by EdwardGlen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank R Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 LEO is saying Loughner may have had an accomplice...getting closer to conspiracy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svandyke09 Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 Fox described him last night as a pot smoking loner.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 http://www.nydailyne...he_dangers.html Quoting Sharron Angle, congresswoman from Nevada. . . "You know, our Founding Fathers, they put that Second Amendment in there for a good reason and that was for the people to protect themselves against a tyrannical government. And in fact Thomas Jefferson said it's good for a country to have a revolution every 20 years. I hope that's not where we're going, but, you know, if this Congress keeps going the way it is, people are really looking toward those Second Amendment remedies and saying my goodness what can we do to turn this country around? I'll tell you the first thing we need to do is take Harry Reid out." Anybody remember this troll?? I'd like to see her opinion on this shooting issue. Stupid b!tch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest knucklehead bob Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 Here come the "gun control" people ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 Here come the "gun control" people ! I hope not. . . but I'm sure you're right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizerman Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 (edited) It will be interesting to see if the apprehended shooter, Jared Lee Loughner, lives through the night, or if he is "suicided". 1. Are there shades of assassination and conspiracy, ala Kennedy/Oswald/Ruby here? 2. Or is Loughner a one-off FOX-radicalized nut-job, ala Tiller/Roeder? Of these two choices, I think the 2nd one is more frightening.... As I sit here sipping my coffee and waiting for the Iolite to get ready, your words articulate my thoughts. While I do not condone violence against public officials, I was hoping it was a different public official in Arizona that got shot. My wife was in the middle of a poker tourney yesterday afternoon and I briefly got a chance to read the headline on Yahoo. While walking back to the living room to turn on the tv, I was thinking that the only person I could think of that might be shot would have been the governor and "her crowd of death panel supporters/the folks denying life-saving organ transplants" I just assumed that a very emotional and highly pizzed off friend or family member of a person denied access to a transplant operation decided to take a few of them as well. Note: I don't condone or suggest that - but, I would not shed a tear over it if it happened. Sarah Palin should be detained, questioned, arrested, convicted, and imprisoned over her role in this. (She put out a map with CROSS-HAIRS on it and Gabby was one of the ones in the CROSS-HAIRS!!!!) When the Tea Partiers get the Mental Defectives all riled up, this kind of chit is bound to happen... Mizerman Edited January 9, 2011 by mizerman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+EdwardGlen Posted January 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 It is a sad day when the debate ends and the shooting begins. A child was murdered. A single child is still important in this country. That is what makes us great and defines us as a country. God bless all that have been impacted by this tragedy. Thanks, BB Children are remarkable for their intelligence and ardour, for their curiosity, their intolerance of shams, the clarity and ruthlessness of their vision. - Aldous Huxley That young girl wanted to get into politics and it was a relative who suggested she go to this event. She was also born on 9/11 and featured in a TIME magazine photo essay. We'll never know if she could of changed the world. Peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+wolfgang Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 Good news, MSNBC is reporting that Gabrielle Giffords has made it through surgery and her doctor is optimistic that she'll pull through. Bad news, a 10 year old and a federal judge are dead and 10 others are in the hospital. Five in surgery and 5 in critical condition. First, I hope that all the remaining injured pull through and my thoughts go out to the family and friends of both the deceased, the physically injured and those experiencing direct or indirect emotional trauma. Daily Activist's diary :: :: After the initial shock and now that the name of a shooter has been released (Jared Loughner), my mind is now turning to who he is and what his motive was. Obviously, the FBI are already doing this but I have begun my own search on the internet for any clues to understand why this tragedy occurred. Kossacks are very tech savvy people and have produced good research in the past so I thought I would start a thread to focus on what we can find out about Jared Loughner and any co-conspirators that may have also been involved in the shooting. Please post what you can find in the comments below and I will update this diary as more information comes in. I will separate the findings into two categories, speculation and confirmed. Information will remain in the speculation category until it is confirmed by reputable sources at which time it will be moved to the confirmed category. Confirmed Suspect Name: Jared Lee Loughner Age: 22 Race: White Link to YouTube Profile: http://www.youtube.com/... Attended: Thornydale Elementary, Tortolita Middle School, Mountain View High School, Northwest Aztec Middle College, and Pima Community College Jared Loughner was a United States Military recruit at MEPS Favorite Books: Animal Farm, Brave New World, The Wizard Of OZ, Aesop Fables, The Odyssey, Alice Adventures Into Wonderland, Fahrenheit 451, Peter Pan, To Kill A Mockingbird, We The Living, Phantom Toll Booth, One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, Pulp,Through The Looking Glass, The Communist Manifesto, Siddhartha, The Old Man And The Sea, Gulliver's Travels, Mein Kampf, The Republic, and Meno. Link to a high school year book photo (top row, fourth from left.) He attempted to flee after running out of ammunition and was tackled by one of Giffords' staffers. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/... YouTube Video posted by LoughnerLink to a screenshot of Jared Loughner's MySpace page which has been taken down: http://static.businessinsider.com/... Previous run in(s) with the law: Loughner, born September 10, 1988, had a court case involving possession of drug paraphernalia in 2007. Case number was CR07-718864A. Case was dismissed after completion of a diversion program. Thanks mattinla. MySpace comment: In a comment posted on MySpace three months ago in connection with a video about Pima Community College, Loughner wrote: "Hello, I know you’re illiterate! This is the greatest protest for exposure into a wrongful act. The school is breaking the constitution. If you watch the video then you’ll understand. The teachers are taking advantage of you in the first and Fifth Amendment. The United States Constitution, which is the law, can be broken at this school. Thank you and goodnight! Jared Thank you qwertz. Speculation Free Repbulic has gone down to scrub Loughner from their site. http://www.democraticunderground.com... Police arrest man near Thornydale and Magee Roads who is suspected of being connected to the shooting of Giffords and others. A third man is being sought. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/... Link to a comment by classitup10, the same username he uses on YouTube, on a music lyrics website. Thanks to the person who sent this to me by email. I don't know if you want to be named. Jared Loughner was/is a left winger. Via Twitter: caitieparker This is a circus. Good Morning America just called me. 10 minutes ago caitieparker @antderosa it's loughner just checked my year book. 10 minutes ago in reply to antderosa caitieparker @lakarune I haven't seen him since '07. Then, he was left wing. 35 minutes ago in reply to lakarune caitieparker @noboa more left. I haven't seen him since '07 though. He became very reclusive. 37 minutes ago in reply to noboa caitieparker @antderosa he had a lot of friends until he got alcohol poisoning in '06, & dropped out of school. Mainly loner very philosophical. 38 minutes ago in reply to antderosa caitieparker @antderosa As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal. & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy. 43 minutes ago in reply to antderosa caitieparker @antderosa he was a pot head & into rock like Hendrix,The Doors, Anti-Flag. I haven't seen him in person since '07 in a sign language class Thanks to jerseyjoew. Tags: Jared Loughner, Jared Lee Loughner, Gabrielle Giffords, Arizona (all tags) :: Previous Tag Versions This is a very disturbed young man,I dont think Palin or Obama pushed him over the edge, or the weed he smoked or the music he listened too he was already there. May God be with the families. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/1/8/161324/9858 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+420Atheist Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 The right is claiming he is left and the left is claiming he is right. Since he like both Ayn Rand and Carl Marx it is no doubt he did not have any problems with contradictory beliefs. The twitter girl had not seen him since 2007 and his beliefs could have changed a lot since then so I would dismiss her comments. He is a deranged person no matter what his warped political beliefs are. My bigger issue is with Palin. She took down the page on her website with the cross hairs on Gifford and removed a tweet where she mentioned needing to reload. Palin has run away from her role in this violent rhetoric just like she did the governors office. She need to take responsibility for her role in this as does Beck, Rush, and O'Riely. I do hope people take the right message from this. Guns are not to blame. Violent rhetoric in politics is and we the people should make these people who engage in violent rhetoric completely inconsequential in our society. I just hope this is not the start of a conservative coup in the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizerman Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 Good news, MSNBC is reporting that Gabrielle Giffords has made it through surgery and her doctor is optimistic that she'll pull through. Bad news, a 10 year old and a federal judge are dead and 10 others are in the hospital. Five in surgery and 5 in critical condition. First, I hope that all the remaining injured pull through and my thoughts go out to the family and friends of both the deceased, the physically injured and those experiencing direct or indirect emotional trauma. Daily Activist's diary :: :: After the initial shock and now that the name of a shooter has been released (Jared Loughner), my mind is now turning to who he is and what his motive was. Obviously, the FBI are already doing this but I have begun my own search on the internet for any clues to understand why this tragedy occurred. Kossacks are very tech savvy people and have produced good research in the past so I thought I would start a thread to focus on what we can find out about Jared Loughner and any co-conspirators that may have also been involved in the shooting. Please post what you can find in the comments below and I will update this diary as more information comes in. I will separate the findings into two categories, speculation and confirmed. Information will remain in the speculation category until it is confirmed by reputable sources at which time it will be moved to the confirmed category. Confirmed Suspect Name: Jared Lee Loughner Age: 22 Race: White Link to YouTube Profile: http://www.youtube.com/... Attended: Thornydale Elementary, Tortolita Middle School, Mountain View High School, Northwest Aztec Middle College, and Pima Community College Jared Loughner was a United States Military recruit at MEPS Favorite Books: Animal Farm, Brave New World, The Wizard Of OZ, Aesop Fables, The Odyssey, Alice Adventures Into Wonderland, Fahrenheit 451, Peter Pan, To Kill A Mockingbird, We The Living, Phantom Toll Booth, One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, Pulp,Through The Looking Glass, The Communist Manifesto, Siddhartha, The Old Man And The Sea, Gulliver's Travels, Mein Kampf, The Republic, and Meno. Link to a high school year book photo (top row, fourth from left.) He attempted to flee after running out of ammunition and was tackled by one of Giffords' staffers. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/... YouTube Video posted by LoughnerLink to a screenshot of Jared Loughner's MySpace page which has been taken down: http://static.businessinsider.com/... Previous run in(s) with the law: Loughner, born September 10, 1988, had a court case involving possession of drug paraphernalia in 2007. Case number was CR07-718864A. Case was dismissed after completion of a diversion program. Thanks mattinla. MySpace comment: In a comment posted on MySpace three months ago in connection with a video about Pima Community College, Loughner wrote: "Hello, I know you’re illiterate! This is the greatest protest for exposure into a wrongful act. The school is breaking the constitution. If you watch the video then you’ll understand. The teachers are taking advantage of you in the first and Fifth Amendment. The United States Constitution, which is the law, can be broken at this school. Thank you and goodnight! Jared Thank you qwertz. Speculation Free Repbulic has gone down to scrub Loughner from their site. http://www.democraticunderground.com... Police arrest man near Thornydale and Magee Roads who is suspected of being connected to the shooting of Giffords and others. A third man is being sought. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/... Link to a comment by classitup10, the same username he uses on YouTube, on a music lyrics website. Thanks to the person who sent this to me by email. I don't know if you want to be named. Jared Loughner was/is a left winger. Via Twitter: caitieparker This is a circus. Good Morning America just called me. 10 minutes ago caitieparker @antderosa it's loughner just checked my year book. 10 minutes ago in reply to antderosa caitieparker @lakarune I haven't seen him since '07. Then, he was left wing. 35 minutes ago in reply to lakarune caitieparker @noboa more left. I haven't seen him since '07 though. He became very reclusive. 37 minutes ago in reply to noboa caitieparker @antderosa he had a lot of friends until he got alcohol poisoning in '06, & dropped out of school. Mainly loner very philosophical. 38 minutes ago in reply to antderosa caitieparker @antderosa As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal. & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy. 43 minutes ago in reply to antderosa caitieparker @antderosa he was a pot head & into rock like Hendrix,The Doors, Anti-Flag. I haven't seen him in person since '07 in a sign language class Thanks to jerseyjoew. Tags: Jared Loughner, Jared Lee Loughner, Gabrielle Giffords, Arizona (all tags) :: Previous Tag Versions This is a very disturbed young man,I dont think Palin or Obama pushed him over the edge, or the weed he smoked or the music he listened too he was already there. May God be with the families. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/1/8/161324/9858 Sarah Palin shouldn't have been distributing maps with CROSS-HAIRS on them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizerman Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 The right is claiming he is left and the left is claiming he is right. Since he like both Ayn Rand and Carl Marx it is no doubt he did not have any problems with contradictory beliefs. The twitter girl had not seen him since 2007 and his beliefs could have changed a lot since then so I would dismiss her comments. He is a deranged person no matter what his warped political beliefs are. My bigger issue is with Palin. She took down the page on her website with the cross hairs on Gifford and removed a tweet where she mentioned needing to reload. Palin has run away from her role in this violent rhetoric just like she did the governors office. She need to take responsibility for her role in this as does Beck, Rush, and O'Riely. I do hope people take the right message from this. Guns are not to blame. Violent rhetoric in politics is and we the people should make these people who engage in violent rhetoric completely inconsequential in our society. I just hope this is not the start of a conservative coup in the US. Former Governor Avon Lady should be detained, brought in for questioning, arrested, prosecuted, convicted, and sent to prison. Her kind of hate speech and the rest of the hate-filled verbage spewing out of the mouths of the majority of Tea Baggers shouldn't be tolerated. If anybody doesn't think that the hatred spewed by the Tea Party towards anyone or (any group that doesn't agree with them) didn't play a role in the senseless killings and shootings...then they themselves aren't dealing with a full deck! Obviously, I am not a republican - nor a Tea Party Activist - and I don't knowingly associate with people that are. Mizerman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+420Atheist Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 Former Governor Avon Lady should be detained, brought in for questioning, arrested, prosecuted, convicted, and sent to prison. Her kind of hate speech and the rest of the hate-filled verbage spewing out of the mouths of the majority of Tea Baggers shouldn't be tolerated. If anybody doesn't think that the hatred spewed by the Tea Party towards anyone or (any group that doesn't agree with them) didn't play a role in the senseless killings and shootings...then they themselves aren't dealing with a full deck! Obviously, I am not a republican - nor a Tea Party Activist - and I don't knowingly associate with people that are. Mizerman I agree. You have the right to free speech. You don't have the right to yell fire in a crowded theater. Essentially that is what they are doing by pumping up their base with this kind of rhetoric. Since this kid listed just about every political view possible as his favorite books I have to think he was just easily influenced by whatever he was reading or watching at the moment. Which would be consistent with someone who would take violent rhetoric to the next level. I'm sure Palin and her ilk will say it is not their fault a deranged person acted violently. That is the ultimate dogging responsibility. She knew there were deranged people out there. She knew it was possible that her rhetoric could set one of the off. She choose to take that risk with disastrous results to her opposition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+420Atheist Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 Oh my he was nuts. Here is his last YouTube video. He rants about the gold standard like Rand Paul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solabeirtan Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 Think it had anything to do with the 111th Congress Opening Day. The Constitution ? New vs Old ? The Percieved pandering to the T Heads ? Disrespect of the Citizens ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+420Atheist Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 Think it had anything to do with the 111th Congress Opening Day. The Constitution ? New vs Old ? The Percieved pandering to the T Heads ? Disrespect of the Citizens ? Because of who he targeted it seemed more likely he was influenced by the tea party to action. But it is hard to tell. The guy was nuts no matter what side he thought he was on. There are four other videos on his YouTube page just like the one I posted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+EdwardGlen Posted January 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 Lets just keep good thoughts flowing to those who were shot. The shooter is obviously mentally disturbed and it could of been anything that finally set him off. Peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+420Atheist Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 Lets just keep good thoughts flowing to those who were shot. The shooter is obviously mentally disturbed and it could of been anything that finally set him off. Peace I agree. That does not mean we would not be better off with a more intellectually honest and less violent national discourse. That would be a good lesson for both sides of the political spectrum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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