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US MT: CSKT Says Medical Marijuana Illegal For Indians On Flathead Reservation

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Pubdate: Fri, 13 May 2011

Source: Missoulian (MT)

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Author: Vince Devlin, The Missoulian

 

 

CSKT SAYS MEDICAL MARIJUANA ILLEGAL FOR INDIANS ON FLATHEAD RESERVATION

 

PABLO - Medical marijuana providers on the Flathead Indian Reservation who sell to Indians can be charged with felony distribution of the drug, the Confederated Salish and Kootenai Tribes announced Wednesday.

 

CSKT spokesman Rob McDonald said that, after consulting with elders from the Salish, Kootenai and Pend d'Oreille peoples, the Tribal Council opted to retain their policy that makes the possession or sale of marijuana a criminal offense.

 

"The result was a consensus from the elders that marijuana has no cultural significance," McDonald said, "and that we, as a people, have other indigenous means to deal with pain."

 

As a sovereign Indian nation, the tribes have the option of adopting or not adopting state laws, and so while the state has legalized medical marijuana, the tribes have not.

 

That could potentially affect nontribal members should they provide marijuana to tribal members or federally recognized Indians, CSKT officials have been informed. The tribes said Lake County Attorney Mitch Young told them it means if a provider on the reservation supplies medical marijuana to a tribal member that person will be subject to felony distribution charges.

 

The announcement does not affect nontribal medical marijuana consumers on the reservation, or medical marijuana providers located off the reservation. The tribes have jurisdiction over tribal members and recognized Indians from other reservations located within the boundaries of the Flathead Reservation.

 

So, while it remains a criminal offense for any tribal member to possess marijuana on the reservation, it also becomes a criminal offense for anyone to sell it to them there, according to Young. The county attorney cautions providers located on the reservation to ask about tribal affiliation before supplying anyone with medical marijuana.

 

"Like other area governments, CSKT officials have wrestled with the complex issue," McDonald explained in a written release.

 

"After much discussion, CSKT does not embrace a system where medical marijuana can be provided by non-medical staffs who have obtained a provider license."

 

The release went on to say local law enforcement has come across too many instances where medical marijuana consumers are either convicted felons, or under investigation for drug use and sales.

 

Other medical marijuana consumers, it added, have been found to have convictions for the manufacture of methamphetamines, prescription drug violations and drug distribution convictions in other states.

MAP posted-by: Richard R Smith Jr.

[cristinew]

its a shame, booze is the choice of medicine, their own elders dont even see the light or the feds feed them well with lies

[greenbuddha]

I had a very close and dear friend that was raised on a 'reservation' (he also called it a 'reservation').

 

And from what he had told me it appears that many tribal governments are run just like the State and Federal governments.

 

Those at the top get the say so of where the money goes and as long as the 'leaders' do what the organizations say (U.S. government, big business which is providing the money) those at the top get the 'gravy' and those at the bottom very often get a 'police baton' over the head to keep them in line.

 

A person would think that the Indigenous Peoples in the U.S. would have had enough of being told where and how to live their lives.

 

And sadly, this friend of mine was killed defending this country as a U.S. Marine. I still place a 'little something green' on his grave now and then.

[shiningheartwoman]

First Ill begin with saying May the great spirit always watch over that loved one lost's family and friends GREENBUDDAH.. bless his soul for what he did for all of us.. what he gave..

 

 

But the comment you made about a person thinking the Indigenous peoples would have had enough has angered me.. If you were such a close friend with a Native then why dont you know there is far more to the story then being fed up! they like the rest of us have been feed lies and illness from the very day the white ones landed here.. Whole tribes and their cultures have been literally wiped to extintion because of white mans so called "progress for better of all." These people have lost their beliefs, religions, families, homes, sacred lands, food sources, medicinal sources, theyve lost everything literally.. they clutch at what little has been secretly saved.. Have you ever been to a REAL rez? Have you ever seen the oppression first hand? It will pull at every ounce of soul you possess if you care enough.. They tried to uprise, they fought hard and all the history books tell of what they have suffered. and even then the damd history books dont tell the truth of the reality of all that was done.. How about the children ripped from their families sent to schools "for the better" to be beaten, hair cut, made to wear restricting clothes, some never saw their families again, beaten when they spoke of their language, renamed, raped, abused horrifically the list goes on... How about how if there was even a simple rumor about Natives "uprising" ie in the tellings of the Spirit shirts of the Sioux, or the battle of Sand creek where simple bullcrap Media lies brought down a storm of military to massacre all elders women and children that resided there.. You would think they would be sick of it.. wouldnt you.. How about there is a Black history month, cinco de mayo, st patricks day blah blah blah but how many of you know when is Native American month??? Hmmm can anyone honestly tellme?

 

 

You hear the hispanics this and black that and how oppressed they are and have been and boy they need equality tooo.. well ive never disputed that.. however what i dispute is the fact how ironic that these people from other countries again get more help then those whose country and land this was BEFORE ANY OF US EVER CAME OVER whose easily forgotten.. the oppression, the small poxs, the massacres, the fire water and guns, the everything that was done to them... did you know to this very day the govt STILL holds sway over many of the tribes KEEPING them in oppression over money and land rights esp. Did you know the reason why they want the sacred land in the black hills isnt just for the gold but for the uranium that lies beneath it.. did you know there are still murders and hells going on this very moment due to it.. i mean stand up.. theyve tried and look what has been done.. and those who would have stood up still to this day hae been assimilated into this now white society and its way of thinking that even the young have lost who they were. Or how their grandparents or great grandparents lost everything.. They still face unprecidented stereotyping and evils to this very day and you wonder why they havent stood up... They stand up and have from the very beginning.. and theyve been blown up or blown down! in a matter of 300yrs thousands of years of culture and history and belief have pretty much been wipped clean! And you say youd think theyd be sick of it!!!! WE WE ARE AND HAVE BEEN SINCE 1492!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

The most sad part are the apples.. ever heard of the term "Apple?" Thats a Native who is red on the outside in skin but as white as ever in thinking and feeling inside. There are alot out there and it isnt entirely their faults its what this society has FORCED them to become.. And alot of our elders have been forced to think white and yes these elders are more then likely saying this because the feds still hold sway over them and their rules.. Remember just because we cannot see it being done doesnt mean its not happening at this very moment somewhere..Our govt sees fit to run all our lives..

 

 

what makes me sick is after hundreds of years of fighting against them and now having nothing more then (in the great scheme of life) a "handful" of tribes left, few beliefs and teachings from the ol days.. and not much more to live for.. the land is pretty well gone, sold, or ripped up... our religions have been eradicated and we have been made to conform.. and the more we uprise the worse it gets.. its not that easy..

 

 

So tho i agree with you in your feelings about that.. you must realize the govt has made it this way.. I still stand firm in saying its messed up when every other culture in the world has the reognition as they do but our family the TRUE people of this land barely gets heard of and when they due its usually associated with alcohol or fire water That white man brought as barter for land and women and goods (ie resources they could make profit off of) So essentially those dirty drunk indians should be seen as oh those poor brothers and sisters whove been POISENED by white mans water and ways!!!

 

Its sad the elders feel this way and would rather alcohol on thier rez's then god given herb.. but look thru the story its the FEDS that are regulating all that... simple as that...

 

Sad things have to be like that.. Im white.. Have Native Blood in the lines we have names and dates and my grandfather looked screamin native.. but you ask those questions or imply such it was told to us to shut our mouths.. to be quiet and such an abomination to have such in our family lines! To prove how bad it was not just in our family but in others as ive learned my aunt even delved into family geneology yrs ago.. the more she found the more family members we didnt know existed came out of the wood work with interests and documents came up missing.. cmon this is how society made these people have to live their lives! Assimilate and conform or die in oppression and even in assimilation there is oppression.. one begins to think if death is better then this crap allowed to be done in this life! But Im more proud of my little known native roots then I am of the other side who saw no wrong in treating a people as such.. it does not make me proud to admit I am white..(even tho i realize i cannot generalize ALL white people into the same catagory and those who did do this and who do think like this because i realize not all are the same!)

id love to see all of us against all these hells grow KAHUNAS and stand against them.. yeah there will be casualities.. but there has been since the dawn of time..

And in conclusion and finally Ill touch the fact that Green is right in how certain tribes run.. Beyond our govt they have govts and political systems of their own.. and yes sadly if the ones in the higher standings are corrupted by others or this society the rest do suffer the very same.. but think of it back in the day their societies were so strong, and fit so well that in many tribes they didnt have to KILL others during war time and fights.. spats.. some tribes used counting coux (to just touch the warrior or preferably the leader with their stick) to gain respect.. they had peace within themselves and for thousands of years their means of govt and ruling and laws worked closely with the mother earth and all her creatures without harm on them or others and they successfuly maintained a vibrant and rich culture in doing so.. with great family and spiritual ties.. ever hear the old saying, "it takes a tribe to raise a child"? And so it had.. everyone was family and everyone pitched in.. Now lets step to the other side.. look at the white mans way of thinking profit off of everything land food water and even blood, greed and power corrupt the soul more easily, there must only be one religion and if you dont believe in it well your damd, lets cut down trees to build housing thats unneeded lets dig out mothers life blood in the form of oil and disregard the hemp plant a god given plant that can sustain all issues at hand because DUPONT and a few others who make synthetics cant lose the money.. cmon... who are the REAL SAVAGES!!?? In white mans society families have lost their value and morels, work is more important then self, family or beliefs.. working for others.. id rather live back in the day primitive then now with the technologies we have created which will inevitably be Humans demise..

yeah, youd think the Natives would be fed up now wouldnt ya! Guess what! We have been!!

Peace and love shining....

[Guest Happy Guy]

"The result was a consensus from the elders that marijuana has no cultural significance," McDonald said, "and that we, as a people, have other indigenous means to deal with pain."

So you need to take away your tribe members choices? Doesn't make sense. There must be money involved somehow.

[Guest Happy Guy]

Read between the lines here , history holds the missing information behind this all . This is just another facet of the Assmilition of our cultures into the mainstream American . This has been ongoing since the days of the stick waving missionaries ..

 

Imagine the BIA and Federal Govt at work behind the scenes here .Peyote was never part of most tribes past but yet became part due to the Indian Freedom Religious Right Act, and the Native ASmerican Peyote church ! But that was never a threat to the Govt in a sense as its not a mainstream drug used much for recreation. This cacti can be controlled and counted on reservations by officials .. But Medical Marijuana has no use or practicality there . lmao ... Lets be real elders and accept that even for recreation its good medicine and it could be the cure to the Alcoholosim that has plagued our people since 1492 ..

 

 

 

 

This makes me sick , the elders that do speak out are just old white washed apples for the vast , the rest are just the sheep that follow the flock regardless of whats right or wrong .And the real Sheperd here is the BIA and Federal Govt leading the sheep. OD

I don't thinks the feds are the problem. The federal goverment has condoned smoking medical cannabis in a casino parking lot here in Michigan. All the patient had to do was show their card.

[greenbuddha]

First Ill begin with saying May the great spirit always watch over that loved one lost's family and friends GREENBUDDAH.. bless his soul for what he did for all of us.. what he gave..

 

 

But the comment you made about a person thinking the Indigenous peoples would have had enough has angered me.. If you were such a close friend with a Native then why dont you know there is far more to the story then being fed up! they like the rest of us have been feed lies and illness from the very day the white ones landed here.. Whole tribes and their cultures have been literally wiped to extintion because of white mans so called "progress for better of all." These people have lost their beliefs, religions, families, homes, sacred lands, food sources, medicinal sources, theyve lost everything literally.. they clutch at what little has been secretly saved.. Have you ever been to a REAL rez? Have you ever seen the oppression first hand? It will pull at every ounce of soul you possess if you care enough.. They tried to uprise, they fought hard and all the history books tell of what they have suffered. and even then the damd history books dont tell the truth of the reality of all that was done.. How about the children ripped from their families sent to schools "for the better" to be beaten, hair cut, made to wear restricting clothes, some never saw their families again, beaten when they spoke of their language, renamed, raped, abused horrifically the list goes on... How about how if there was even a simple rumor about Natives "uprising" ie in the tellings of the Spirit shirts of the Sioux, or the battle of Sand creek where simple bullcrap Media lies brought down a storm of military to massacre all elders women and children that resided there.. You would think they would be sick of it.. wouldnt you.. How about there is a Black history month, cinco de mayo, st patricks day blah blah blah but how many of you know when is Native American month??? Hmmm can anyone honestly tellme?

 

 

You hear the hispanics this and black that and how oppressed they are and have been and boy they need equality tooo.. well ive never disputed that.. however what i dispute is the fact how ironic that these people from other countries again get more help then those whose country and land this was BEFORE ANY OF US EVER CAME OVER whose easily forgotten.. the oppression, the small poxs, the massacres, the fire water and guns, the everything that was done to them... did you know to this very day the govt STILL holds sway over many of the tribes KEEPING them in oppression over money and land rights esp. Did you know the reason why they want the sacred land in the black hills isnt just for the gold but for the uranium that lies beneath it.. did you know there are still murders and hells going on this very moment due to it.. i mean stand up.. theyve tried and look what has been done.. and those who would have stood up still to this day hae been assimilated into this now white society and its way of thinking that even the young have lost who they were. Or how their grandparents or great grandparents lost everything.. They still face unprecidented stereotyping and evils to this very day and you wonder why they havent stood up... They stand up and have from the very beginning.. and theyve been blown up or blown down! in a matter of 300yrs thousands of years of culture and history and belief have pretty much been wipped clean! And you say youd think theyd be sick of it!!!! WE WE ARE AND HAVE BEEN SINCE 1492!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

The most sad part are the apples.. ever heard of the term "Apple?" Thats a Native who is red on the outside in skin but as white as ever in thinking and feeling inside. There are alot out there and it isnt entirely their faults its what this society has FORCED them to become.. And alot of our elders have been forced to think white and yes these elders are more then likely saying this because the feds still hold sway over them and their rules.. Remember just because we cannot see it being done doesnt mean its not happening at this very moment somewhere..Our govt sees fit to run all our lives..

 

 

what makes me sick is after hundreds of years of fighting against them and now having nothing more then (in the great scheme of life) a "handful" of tribes left, few beliefs and teachings from the ol days.. and not much more to live for.. the land is pretty well gone, sold, or ripped up... our religions have been eradicated and we have been made to conform.. and the more we uprise the worse it gets.. its not that easy..

 

 

So tho i agree with you in your feelings about that.. you must realize the govt has made it this way.. I still stand firm in saying its messed up when every other culture in the world has the reognition as they do but our family the TRUE people of this land barely gets heard of and when they due its usually associated with alcohol or fire water That white man brought as barter for land and women and goods (ie resources they could make profit off of) So essentially those dirty drunk indians should be seen as oh those poor brothers and sisters whove been POISENED by white mans water and ways!!!

 

Its sad the elders feel this way and would rather alcohol on thier rez's then god given herb.. but look thru the story its the FEDS that are regulating all that... simple as that...

 

Sad things have to be like that.. Im white.. Have Native Blood in the lines we have names and dates and my grandfather looked screamin native.. but you ask those questions or imply such it was told to us to shut our mouths.. to be quiet and such an abomination to have such in our family lines! To prove how bad it was not just in our family but in others as ive learned my aunt even delved into family geneology yrs ago.. the more she found the more family members we didnt know existed came out of the wood work with interests and documents came up missing.. cmon this is how society made these people have to live their lives! Assimilate and conform or die in oppression and even in assimilation there is oppression.. one begins to think if death is better then this crap allowed to be done in this life! But Im more proud of my little known native roots then I am of the other side who saw no wrong in treating a people as such.. it does not make me proud to admit I am white..(even tho i realize i cannot generalize ALL white people into the same catagory and those who did do this and who do think like this because i realize not all are the same!)

id love to see all of us against all these hells grow KAHUNAS and stand against them.. yeah there will be casualities.. but there has been since the dawn of time..

And in conclusion and finally Ill touch the fact that Green is right in how certain tribes run.. Beyond our govt they have govts and political systems of their own.. and yes sadly if the ones in the higher standings are corrupted by others or this society the rest do suffer the very same.. but think of it back in the day their societies were so strong, and fit so well that in many tribes they didnt have to KILL others during war time and fights.. spats.. some tribes used counting coux (to just touch the warrior or preferably the leader with their stick) to gain respect.. they had peace within themselves and for thousands of years their means of govt and ruling and laws worked closely with the mother earth and all her creatures without harm on them or others and they successfuly maintained a vibrant and rich culture in doing so.. with great family and spiritual ties.. ever hear the old saying, "it takes a tribe to raise a child"? And so it had.. everyone was family and everyone pitched in.. Now lets step to the other side.. look at the white mans way of thinking profit off of everything land food water and even blood, greed and power corrupt the soul more easily, there must only be one religion and if you dont believe in it well your damd, lets cut down trees to build housing thats unneeded lets dig out mothers life blood in the form of oil and disregard the hemp plant a god given plant that can sustain all issues at hand because DUPONT and a few others who make synthetics cant lose the money.. cmon... who are the REAL SAVAGES!!?? In white mans society families have lost their value and morels, work is more important then self, family or beliefs.. working for others.. id rather live back in the day primitive then now with the technologies we have created which will inevitably be Humans demise..

yeah, youd think the Natives would be fed up now wouldnt ya! Guess what! We have been!!

Peace and love shining....

 

Shining,

 

Yes, I 'have' been to several 'reservations' and I certainly hope your anger is not directed at me, personally.

 

I have done voluntary educational work on at least two reservations in Arizona as a matter of fact and my stating that 'a person would think that the Indigenous Peoples would have had enough of being told where and how to live' was 'rhetorical in nature and I had hoped it would be thought provoking... and from your comments it seems to have done just that.

 

And also as a matter of fact I have a great-greatmother that was on the Trail of Tears when the Cherokee tribes were sent to Oklahoma.

 

But I have to assume that your comments were well meaning and not coming from some false sense of self righteous indignation because your points are quite accurate.

 

Thank you for your comments.

 

P.S. I have to ask... have you been to several reservations?

[samtheclam]

Money is the root of all evil. Remember, the white man gave us whiskey and stole our land, now we build casinos and now we take their money.

[shiningheartwoman]

Shining,

 

Yes, I 'have' been to several 'reservations' and I certainly hope your anger is not directed at me, personally.

 

I have done voluntary educational work on at least two reservations in Arizona as a matter of fact and my stating that 'a person would think that the Indigenous Peoples would have had enough of being told where and how to live' was 'rhetorical in nature and I had hoped it would be thought provoking... and from your comments it seems to have done just that.

 

And also as a matter of fact I have a great-greatmother that was on the Trail of Tears when the Cherokee tribes were sent to Oklahoma.

 

But I have to assume that your comments were well meaning and not coming from some false sense of self righteous indignation because your points are quite accurate.

 

Thank you for your comments.

 

P.S. I have ask... have you been to several reservations?

 

 

 

Nice - glad you added in self righteous indignation lmao - My points are very true and werent all directed towards you lmao.. anyhoo.. your welcome to take my words as you please tho they were not meant as disrespectful towards you...

yes I have matter of fact, even before I met my husband who is native american, one of my exs lived on one and i had the honor to meet the others who lived there as well.. I even have a friend whose family COMES from and lives still on Pine ridge.. Ive been to local michigan ones, some canadian, and some out west reservations.. My family has much respect from many natives from many tribes, as well as having great connectedness and close relations to many various medicine men and women as well as elders.. - not that this matters but there is your answer to your stated question

Have a great day Peace and Love .... Shining... And next time sweety dont take things the wrong way Im sorry im a very opinionated person, it does take some getting used to.. Ask OD he'll tell ya first hand lmao that it throws me off as a bit** but well.. i am what I am and trust me love if my anger was meant towards you youd know it! But i have no reason to be angry by you, except for what i thought was a simple uneducated comment.. and rather then anger me it just upset me.. lol..after all its just a computer and words anger isnt really worth it.. Besides i try not to let that side go farther then simple debates. lol Peace and love yet again lol shining have a good day!

[greenbuddha]

Nice - glad you added in self righteous indignation lmao - My points are very true and werent all directed towards you lmao.. anyhoo.. your welcome to take my words as you please tho they were not meant as disrespectful towards you...

yes I have matter of fact, even before I met my husband who is native american, one of my exs lived on one and i had the honor to meet the others who lived there as well.. I even have a friend whose family COMES from and lives still on Pine ridge.. Ive been to local michigan ones, some canadian, and some out west reservations.. My family has much respect from many natives from many tribes, as well as having great connectedness and close relations to many various medicine men and women as well as elders.. - not that this matters but there is your answer to your stated question

Have a great day Peace and Love .... Shining... And next time sweety dont take things the wrong way Im sorry im a very opinionated person, it does take some getting used to.. Ask OD he'll tell ya first hand lmao that it throws me off as a bit** but well.. i am what I am and trust me love if my anger was meant towards you youd know it! But i have no reason to be angry by you, except for what i thought was a simple uneducated comment.. and rather then anger me it just upset me.. lol..after all its just a computer and words anger isnt really worth it.. Besides i try not to let that side go farther then simple debates. lol Peace and love yet again lol shining have a good day!

 

No offense was taken, because, as with you, if there had been you would have heard about.

 

And also, as I think you stated, I don't normally hold unto any slight, too much of a waste of time.

 

But I do try to limit my self to making comments that I have some experience with otherwise I leave the subject alone. Helps keep me out of trouble (sometimes).

 

Again, I appreciated your comments.

 

Peace and be well.