Michigan Republican Presidential Primary

[purklize]

isreal will get nuked and we will end up in WWIII

 

By who? They're the ones with the nukes.

[purklize]

Ron Paul is the best for mmj for sure.

 

This country could use more of that, as opposed to the road to socialism we've been on for far too long

 

The direction our country is in is that of fascism, not socialism. Socialism is completely democratic and transparent control of the economy and the government by the people. A giant government bureaucracy is a menace to socialism, and has the presence of one does not at all indicate socialist tendencies. Sure, countries like China call themselves communists, and our country is indeed becoming more like China, but calling yourself a duck doesn't make you a duck, you gotta quack like one too. The Chinese government is fascist and their economy is capitalist. Not communist, not socialist.

[+420Atheist]

Some polls are showing Ron Paul ahead in Iowa right now. I have issues with some of Paul's economic ideas. But on closing the bases, repealing the patriot act, and legalizing marijuana I agree with. I will vote for him in the primary. If he wins it will be a difficult choice in 2012 between economic collapse of the middle class and 4 more years of Obama's marijuana policy.

[lawyercaregiver]

As Bachman might say: Newt Romney was for medical marijuana before he was against it.

 

They will BOTH move to the center of the country on this issue after the Republican nomination.

 

Why can't Ron Paul explain that HE is not running for dictator and that he is NOT going to precipitously start pulling troops out of bases around the world. He has a philosophy that he would like the U.S. to move towards BUT that does not mean he is going to take over and start slashing the military, abandon Israel, refuse to protect Taiwan, etc. Congress funds and approves troop deployments and his job as POTUS would be to move the country slowly towards a stronger policy of disengagement and towards the Libertarian ideal.

 

Unfortunately that is NOT what he has said: He claims we are responsible for 911 because we were bombing them (not true, we bombed them AFTER they attacked us- U.S. Cole, Tanzania etc) not before. The point he is making is a good one- why are we involved around the world, we need to pull back from confronting and policing the entire world when we are broke. Unfortunately Dr. Paul needs a more lawyer-like slickness if he is going to win.

[Croppled1]

The audience Monday night’s CNN Tea Party Express Republican primary debate was eager to see the death of a hypothetical man who was in a coma and also did not have health care insurance.

 

CNN’s Wolf Blitzer posed this question to Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul: “A healthy young, 30-year-old man has a good job, makes a good living but decides, ‘You know what? I’m not going to spend $200 or $300 a month on health insurance because I’m healthy, I don’t need it.’ But something terrible happens, all the sudden he needs it. What’s going to happen if he goes into a coma? Who pays for that?”

 

“What he should do is whatever he wants to do,” Paul replied. “That’s what freedom is all about, taking your own risks. This whole idea that you have to prepare to take care of everybody…”

 

“Are you saying society should just let him die?” Blitzer asked.

 

The audience responded with shouts of “Yes!”

 

“We’ve given up on this concept that we might take care of ourselves, assume responsibility for ourselves, our neighbors, our friends, our churches would do it,” Paul explained. “This is the reason the cost is so high… We have lack of competition. There’s no competition in medicine. Everybody’s protected by licensing

 

 

Try shopping for a deal when your in a coma , have no money in this economy to pay for insurance after loosing a job , or have a heart attack . The truth is medicine expenses are very high and we need to provide basic care for all Americans and pool together to lower them . Dennis Kucinich had some real good ideas about serving ones country and how to insure every American and keep care affordable

 

. I feel Ron Pauls concept of freedom to have or not have health care would definitely put some of my friends and neighbors at risk and 40% of every health care dollar is spent on paperwork and billing not on patients services there is plenty of competition . I like allot of what Ron Paul says but not on health care .Licensing is a problem but universal health single payer health care in my mind would be a solution .Dennis Kucinich had some great ideas on health care and service to our Country .

 

http://www.rawstory....-uninsured-die/

[MightyMightyMezz]

How do people who think Paul's foreign policy is bad propose to keep paying for all the bases and military "adventures" that people like Obama and Bush love so much? This is not a rhetorical question. How do we afford it?

[purklize]

He claims we are responsible for 911 because we were bombing them (not true, we bombed them AFTER they attacked us- U.S. Cole, Tanzania etc) not before.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat

 

The 1953 Iranian coup d'état (known in Iran as the 28 Mordad coup[3]) was the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Iranian Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh on 19 August 1953, orchestrated by the intelligence agencies of the United Kingdom and the United States under the name TPAJAX Project.[4] The coup saw the transition of Mohammad-Rezā Shāh Pahlavi from a constitutional monarch to an authoritarian one who relied heavily on United States support to hold on to power until his own overthrow in February 1979.[5]

 

Mohammad Mosaddegh or Mosaddeq (Persian: محمد مصدق, IPA: [mohæmˈmæd(-e) mosædˈdeɣ] ( listen)*), also Mossadegh, Mossadeq, Mosadeck, or Musaddiq (16 June 1882 – 5 March 1967), was the democratically elected[1][2][3] Prime Minister of Iran from 1951 to 1953 when he was overthrown in a coup d'état orchestrated by the British MI5 and the United States Central Intelligence Agency.

 

From an aristocratic background, Mosaddegh was an author, administrator, lawyer, prominent parliamentarian, and politician. During his time as prime minister, a wide range of progressive social reforms were carried out. Unemployment compensation was introduced, factory owners were ordered to pay benefits to sick and injured workers, and peasants were freed from forced labor in their landlords' estates. Twenty percent of the money landlords received in rent was placed in a fund to pay for development projects such as public baths, rural housing, and pest control.[4]

 

He is most famous as the architect of the nationalization of the Iranian oil industry, which had been under British control since 1913 through the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (AIOC) (later British Petroleum or BP). The Anglo-Iranian Oil Co. was controlled by the British government.[5] Mosaddegh was removed from power in a coup on 19 August 1953, organised and carried out by the United States CIA at the request of the British MI6 which chose Iranian General Fazlollah Zahedi to succeed Mosaddegh.[6]

[Petyr]

How do people who think Paul's foreign policy is bad propose to keep paying for all the bases and military "adventures" that people like Obama and Bush love so much? This is not a rhetorical question. How do we afford it?

 

50% of people don't pay taxes!!! We'll take their 1987 minivans to make up for it and use those instead of humvees I guess.

[purklize]

50% of people don't pay taxes!!!

 

Not true. The federal income tax is not the only tax collected!

 

The data from the fed gov has been compiled here: http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2011/07/51-zombie-lie

 

 

Poor people pay less in taxes than rich people, as they should, but it's very far from zero. The midpoint of that first quintile is about $11,000, and even a household earning that little pays about $1,400 in taxes. The household in the second quintile, earning a munificent $30,000 per year, pays $7,000 in taxes.

 

Investors therefore pay approximately the same tax rate as someone making minimum wage - billionaires included - because their income is from capital gains, which is taxed at 15%.

 

Besides, you can't compare telling your son that he doesn't get to eat tonight, and that he's sick but you can't take him to the hospital, to something like having to drive your yacht around a little less.

[+wolfgang]

 

" I feel Ron Pauls concept of freedom to have or not have health care would definitely put some of my friends and neighbors at risk of early death and terrible suffering over a poor choice "

We dont have the right to tell anyone what is right or wrong unless it is hurting someone else,that PERSON has the right NOT to have health care if they dont want it!!why is that so hard for ppl to get,stop policing the world and stop policing PPL!

[TheBeagle]

As Bachman might say: Newt Romney was for medical marijuana before he was against it.

 

They will BOTH move to the center of the country on this issue after the Republican nomination.

 

Why can't Ron Paul explain that HE is not running for dictator and that he is NOT going to precipitously start pulling troops out of bases around the world. He has a philosophy that he would like the U.S. to move towards BUT that does not mean he is going to take over and start slashing the military, abandon Israel, refuse to protect Taiwan, etc. Congress funds and approves troop deployments and his job as POTUS would be to move the country slowly towards a stronger policy of disengagement and towards the Libertarian ideal.

 

Unfortunately that is NOT what he has said: He claims we are responsible for 911 because we were bombing them (not true, we bombed them AFTER they attacked us- U.S. Cole, Tanzania etc) not before. The point he is making is a good one- why are we involved around the world, we need to pull back from confronting and policing the entire world when we are broke. Unfortunately Dr. Paul needs a more lawyer-like slickness if he is going to win.

 

 

 

Honestly I think our Own Govnt have both hands in on the 911 .......but wait no .......its was on TV that some crazy afgans did it......must be 100% true then....THE GOVT IS THE MEDIA...they only allow the stuff THEY want you to see on TV. do yourself a favor please turn off that "retard" Box and pick up a book. sure maybe the US govt wasn't the sole people in those planes but I can tell you they were the ones who wrote the checks...

[Croppled1]

" I feel Ron Pauls concept of freedom to have or not have health care would definitely put some of my friends and neighbors at risk of early death and terrible suffering over a poor choice "

We dont have the right to tell anyone what is right or wrong unless it is hurting someone else,that PERSON has the right NOT to have health care if they dont want it!!why is that so hard for ppl to get,stop policing the world and stop policing PPL!

 

 

Because we love everyone and peopls suffer if they do not receive care maybe worse . It is a basic necessity and I believe people should be given food and shelter if they dont have it too . Why is it so hard for people to get thats more important then Nascar or Football they would spend money on ? If we all share the burden its fair . I pay $48 a month for prescription coverage and have never used a med in years , the ones I take are paid for by another policy but someone whose a diabetic gets their insulin because others pitch in . Sacrifice and sharing for the common good . Its ok if you still dont agree thats your right . But my words make sense and should raise compassion in your heart . Those on low income receive subsidies but we all need health care and our Country as bad as things are together can afford it . The spillover costs are heavy . For those hurting and worried there are better times ahead have faith . You rarely meet a politician without health care insurance believe that . Happy Holidays . .

[peanutbutter]

Ron Paul

[whacked]

By who? They're the ones with the nukes.

 

Ron Paul said in the last debate he would not stop Iraq from producing nukes, if Iraq gets nukes I believe (and many others do as well) they will use them to get bomb of Isreal, isreal will retalerate. Then we are in the snowball from hell

[purklize]

Why would they nuke Israel? That would be suicide.

 

The only country that has nuked civilians is our own. You have to wonder why others might want them too.

 

[MightyMightyMezz]

Ron Paul said in the last debate he would not stop Iraq from producing nukes, if Iraq gets nukes I believe (and many others do as well) they will use them to get bomb of Isreal, isreal will retalerate. Then we are in the snowball from hell

 

 

We already "took care" of Iraq. I'm pretty sure what he said was there is no evidence they (Iran) are making nuclear weapons. Am I mistaken?

[smokeythebear]

Please everyone who is voting for ron take a friend down to the polls with you,hell fill your car with friends!

 

we need all the help we can get! every time I talk to someone I ask them if they are voting and if it's for ron paul.

 

we need to get this vote out people!

 

you still have time to register if you are not allready

[+wolfgang]

Please everyone who is voting for ron take a friend down to the polls with you,hell fill your car with friends!

 

we need all the help we can get! every time I talk to someone I ask them if they are voting and if it's for ron paul.

 

we need to get this vote out people!

 

you still have time to register if you are not allready

when is deadline to register as a republican?

[thanks2]

when is deadline to register as a republican?

No need to register, the republican primary is open to all voters.

[purklize]

The primary is on August 7th, right?

 

Edit: It's Feb 28, 2012, the last day in history

[+wolfgang]

omw I thought it was Feb,we better google it.

[thanks2]

The primary is on August 7th, right?

No, it is February 28,2012

 

Link to dates

[+wolfgang]

http://www.michigan.gov/documents/sos/Pres_Prim_Date_2012_365412_7.pdf

[TheBeagle]

Ron Paul said in the last debate he would not stop Iraq from producing nukes, if Iraq gets nukes I believe (and many others do as well) they will use them to get bomb of Isreal, isreal will retalerate. Then we are in the snowball from hell

 

 

Who cares of Iraq goes after Isreal If they wana go to war with each other then so be it aslong as the US is not involved or over there we shouldn't have a problem. if they wana destroy their countries let em. And yes i know the US and isreal are " Allies" but guess what ..it is what it is... I hope they don't ever go to war like that but if that's what they want then let em.

[SouthernSensimilla]

I step away for 48 hours and come back to all of this (mostly) awesome conversation. Fantastic.

 

Israel's Prime Minister agrees with Dr. Paul's assessment of Israel's sovereignty. The US has supplied Israel with hundreds of nuclear weapons since the mid-1900s. Israel has the tendency to kick the crap out of anyone who starts a war with them. If Iran went on the overtly offensive, Turkey, Saudi, Qatar, maybe even the UAE would unleash some hell on them, not to mention Israel going apesh*t on them. Yes, apesh*t is a political term. The fact is a destabilized middle east is bad for all Arab countries. With the rise of the Arab League, the middle east will be able to handle their own so NATO doesn't have to get involved in anything more than a support role. We have the UN, NATO, Arab League of Nations... enough gosh darn war, please. I spent a year in Afghanistan and two years in Iraq as an infantry squad leader and sniper. 4500 dead and 32000 wounded, not to mention the 1/3 who have PTSD from IRAQ ALONE. Not even talking about the decade old war in Afghanistan. Iran is doing the same thing Saddam did... posturing for deterrence. Read the transcripts from Saddam's interrogation. Iran has adopted the same policy. Do you know what was the main contributor to the fall of the USSR? Western Fashion Magazines. People wanted the freedom to wear skirts and blue jeans, everything else just fell right on in to place. Cultural influence is a complain in an oppressed country. We talked Libya in to giving up their nuke program. N. Korea has suspended theirs for food shipments. Diplomacy works. Dr. Paul is not an isolationist, he is a non-interventionist. What he said about 9/11... he was quoting Bin Laden on why he attacked the WTC and Dr. Paul gave another example of Reagan saying Blowback was the cause of the 236 marines being blown up in their barracks. Blowback- The unintended consequences of foreign operation deliberately kept secret from the public.

 

As for marijuana being a top issue for some, consider this- legalized marijuana could cut health care costs by 80%, teen alcohol use could drop dramatically (already evidence more teens are using more cannabis and less booze), opens the door for an entire industry capable of $67Billion GDP and $9Bil in tax revenue, takes a power base away from drug cartels, enabled less expensive and more environmentally safe building materials and bio-fuels, secondary economic boosts from builders and electricians, locally owned hydro stores, free medicine for gravely ill from co-ops, you name it, man. Legalization has much more of a benefit then everyone being able to smoke. The overall implications of legalization are astounding. So um... don't knock those who chose that as a basis for their vote.

 

(pops knuckles) break time! I'll be sure not to forget to check back on the Thread I started. Sorry about that.

 

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