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Hi call mr dragon - for now.

 

that is joke, i have poor writing skills that is what happen when you slide through 3rd graded too 6th. (true) They let you get away with out learning to spell, when you can do math at 99% level with being taught. ya, i have an honors degree in engineering.

 

 

My situation, is 15-20 years ago i was diagnosed wrongly then not given to specialist for 2 years. The doctor actually made more by not giving the proper treatment. I was give blood pressure meds instead of fixing my sleep apnea (that is what cause the bp) - which (SA) is much worse. This triggered RA (ps-ra plus other issues. I beat the first flare up, once with exercise and natural of the counter supplements. I rolled out of bed exercised, bought quad and beat my hands and body up - as result i did not get a lot damage too my joints. Doc's theory?

 

3 years later it got me (flare 2), i fell out off Social Security - I did not know you could lose disability - i did. Since i did not want to stop working in my 40's, I did go after it. I did not work for 7 years, went back for 2 it has not worked out so well.

 

I been on oxy and much more for almost a decade - really did not like the buzz like most people. I cut down in half and gained a lot of weight from not getting out of bed.

 

Ok, i can not get SS, i can not work, i feel like crap. So i got few options legally.

 

So my plan is too move to MI from near by state, I am close enough to commute several times a week or even daily.

 

My plan includes, paying the bills by being a care giver while using the meds myself to get off or reduce my oxy. I read a few years ago on this site you could make $40k being a caregiver.

 

My questions:

 

is it feasible to make a living be a caregiver - i am expert gardener?

 

how much could i make, since i need a job - i really can not work much? i have 2 kids in college. i have burned through $100k's not working. Please agree or disagree - i like to hear both sides.

 

I am worried i missed the boat, am I too late to find 5 patients. I thought about this for years but i wanted too work a regular job, i just got let go for the second time in 2 years and because i got fake my way through. So this is looking like one of my only options other then being very poor!

 

How stable is this, let say, i am a successful grower. can i get patients? how long would it take? i have no problem with the initial investment. I not out to make a lot of money, i like to help other people - again my main concern is the attacks on the law (stability) and lack of patients (being too late in the game).

 

I like to rent a room too get a driver licence too, i plan on moving here as resident but still being married and going back and forth. Eventually if successful my wife will follow, i paid most of bills the first half of the marriage but i am tired of sponging of my wife! That is my one saving grace!

 

I have discussed this for 2 years, finally the wife sees the light - we need the security of 2 incomes.

 

 

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I would really appreciate as many replies, please only comment if your really informed this is very serious post.

 

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I am looking to relocate too the south, southwest or lower west shore area - eventually buying a place is the final goal. So I be coming from the west. I like to go to a meeting for advice so please post if you got something close to southern indiana/michigan border.

 

Maybe that would be the best way to get my information.

 

thx a person in need asap!

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If you're coming to make money, stay where you're at. Not trying to be a dick but we don't need people coming here to exploit the program for a dollar, I understand you medically could be qualified but the first post on this site is how to make money being a CG, and thats not going to happen. It costs A LOT to get the rooms up and going, a lot of bills every month, then you have to realize that your patients are in the same boat as you and don't have much spare money so you have to sell it for pennies on the dollar to fill your commitment to your patients of supplying them with meds. Sure you can take overages to an illegal dispensary and risk it but if you have two kids in college dad having to shell out 10k+ for attourney fees for getting popped with 10+oz of meds on you is only going to make your problems worse. This program is not about making money, if thats what you're in it for I don't want anything to do with you, the people that I used to have to get "weed" from before it was medically acceptable were not trustworthy people, who would no doubt put anything and everything in their meds nute wise to get the most out of the yield and not worry about the possible side effects from those synthetic additives. I vote stay where you're at, it sounds harsh but its the truth.

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If you're coming to make money, stay where you're at. Not trying to be a dick but we don't need people coming here to exploit the program for a dollar, I understand you medically could be qualified but the first post on this site is how to make money being a CG, and thats not going to happen. It costs A LOT to get the rooms up and going, a lot of bills every month, then you have to realize that your patients are in the same boat as you and don't have much spare money so you have to sell it for pennies on the dollar to fill your commitment to your patients of supplying them with meds. Sure you can take overages to an illegal dispensary and risk it but if you have two kids in college dad having to shell out 10k+ for attourney fees for getting popped with 10+oz of meds on you is only going to make your problems worse. This program is not about making money, if thats what you're in it for I don't want anything to do with you, the people that I used to have to get "weed" from before it was medically acceptable were not trustworthy people, who would no doubt put anything and everything in their meds nute wise to get the most out of the yield and not worry about the possible side effects from those synthetic additives. I vote stay where you're at, it sounds harsh but its the truth.

 

 

I asked for honest opinion, i been on your forums for years. i do not post. ok that is really not nice to say too late - thx!

 

I have $10k for it, that is too move and set up. I well planned by the way while i am not in your state as resident i send you state lots of money with deer tags, snowmobile tags, spend money at your ski hills etc.

 

I quite skilled, well educated and i appreciate your opinion thank you - young man!

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why not give me some facts? fuuny thing is you joined this site after i was going to do it but i decided to try working again?

 

How about you clone master? looks like you only been in 1.6 years.

 

Did you ever look at the location of nuke power plants, consider wind condtions and wonder if your in the middle 100,000 year desert. I am, i need to relocate for other reasons. One big shot from the sun, you think this year is hot, wait to next. You think japan is bad? bring a nuke power plant location map on google - remember west wind and summer is southern wind. see if your in the hot zone.

 

I well aware of how much it cost, and how to do it. Remember i am from the 70's.

 

I not looking too sell overage, this site used to hook up patients and caregivers? i guess the door is slammed shut?

 

During the gold rush, u made the most money selling shovels.

During prohibition you made most money running not selling to the end user - i.e. the Joe Kennedy sr. he made is real money on the short side of the market during the crash preceding the depression,

 

when the new depression starts, we in it - LEO will be busy with real crime, unemployed or home protecting their families.

 

This is perfect post dollar crash biz, overage as you call it - will be a tradable and in demand commodity.

 

I am sure the supply guys will appreciate my $5000 initial

investment.

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i have no problem with the initial investment. I not out to make a lot of money, i like to help other people - again my main concern is the attacks on the law (stability) and lack of patients (being too late in the game).

 

This is so weird. How does one sentence sound like a caveman wrote it, and the others are perfectly fine.

 

You are trying too hard. If you want to be a believable troll less is more.

 

That's my opinion anyways.

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I agree Petyr! Smells like a Troll to me. If he is a nearby bordering state, he would know that the bordering states have MM on the ballot for November. My guess is he is another Texas Troll. I bet BB could verify that right quick and in a hurry. If hes serious about his statement, he would have investigated costs and laws before coming here. My answer to his question of cost: One meeeeelion dollars. Good luck pardner! Medcnman.

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Thank you very much for your post dragonsprayer, you are a prime example of what makes it so hard for legitimate caregivers and patients to be taken seriously here in michigan. How can we convince society that this is truly for medicinal reasons and not for the money when there are "people" like this. I have spent the last year trying to help patients who are stuck with caregivers of your mindset and its not easy. If you are a caregiver makeing a living off the money of your sick patients you are definately not a care giver. What do you do if one of your patients doesnt have the money for meds? turn them away? I know Im rambling but I gotta tell ya it pi@#$& me off that someone would have the b%^*s to even ask this question after all the work many people have put in to show this is not what were about. If a post like this made it out to the news they could use it to clearly show its about the money. Stay where yer at and plant some corn, if your as good as you think you are maybe you could come up with a new strain of " money tree " Now Ill take a clone of that!

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This is so weird. How does one sentence sound like a caveman wrote it, and the others are perfectly fine.

 

You are trying too hard. If you want to be a believable troll less is more.

 

That's my opinion anyways.

 

 

ya, i suck at emails and writing - i have genius iq but it is all math and science. i really appreciate your posts not just this one but the others too. once i set my mind too it, i do it - i be up in michigan this friday and maybe the weekend. scoping out a place and maybe a meeting.

 

 

i qualify 100% since i was on 100-120mg of oxycottin for years, i cut to 60 - and i am still in chronic pain.

 

but i just can not handle the main side effect - pushing a brick once a week.

man i love diarrhea it is such a treat - i know it gross, but it is true.

 

you can search this screen name to the computers if you much about them, i used to build.

 

 

i really did not want do this, but i have no choice as i can not get gov benefits. plus i am dead serious about nuke plants - the grid goes down from large flare all the ponds will melt down - they should have used yukan montain - obama was really stupid on letting harry reid shut it down . there is super small chance water may leak through 10,000 years. nuke plants scare me! they designed the cars so they are impossible to smash to transport the old rods by rail.

 

once steam hits the pond, zirconium metal oxidizes and cracks - cesium rain and it is all over!

 

yes i do come across as a troll, since i type fast - i built computers during the 7 years of not working. so i am probably best hardware person you ever meet side effect is typing fast

 

since i speed read so fast i speed write, i see the words that are missing. then i do not check it

 

i build only overclocked computers i used to tweak timing on mobo crystals and old days of non auto bios, i tuned system too alienware or better - believe or not - their 10,000 renege computer was a copy of something i built but they set cpu voltage a 1.65 and set it 1.5-1.45.

 

i can not build computers any more as fried my back flippen around 80lb systems with 12 drive or triple water cooling. then i just took more pain killers to push through the pain. i post photos, of systems later, - but they are traceable too me. I have to sanitize them.

 

type this bs in like less then 5 mins - off too the doctor! seriously

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Thank you very much for your post dragonsprayer, you are a prime example of what makes it so hard for legitimate caregivers and patients to be taken seriously here in michigan. How can we convince society that this is truly for medicinal reasons and not for the money when there are "people" like this. I have spent the last year trying to help patients who are stuck with caregivers of your mindset and its not easy. If you are a caregiver makeing a living off the money of your sick patients you are definately not a care giver. What do you do if one of your patients doesnt have the money for meds? turn them away? I know Im rambling but I gotta tell ya it pi@#$& me off that someone would have the b%^*s to even ask this question after all the work many people have put in to show this is not what were about. If a post like this made it out to the news they could use it to clearly show its about the money. Stay where yer at and plant some corn, if your as good as you think you are maybe you could come up with a new strain of " money tree " Now Ill take a clone of that!

 

 

well that is not true, i can drive on oxy - docter says. i am strong and big. i am just in lot of pain but i have had very high pain threshold. 4 years of wrestling the state champ in practice helped and football

 

being engineer and expert at medical issues, self trained is what makes me perfect. i both understand the issue and can solve it.

 

i read what a care giver does - he is paid to grow and help - he does no sell the mj.

 

stavia and indica mixes treat different diseases i am well aware of it. you do not want sleepy meds youi want relief from what alies you. so actually i am a perfect care giver.

 

i expect to get a fair amount money - i worked my azz off last year for 15,000. i am sure i understand it - i appreciate your post.

 

i am not checking these posts - you have too learn dragonspeak

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I said: at the very top " i have poor writing skills that is what happen when you slide through 3rd graded too 6th"

 

when i was in 3rd grade, they put me on Ritalin i moved from class to class in few weeks i ended up 6th at the end of the year. i cheating at spelling, they stopped teaching spelling at 6th grade.

 

i understand, most of do not want competition - i owned 3 bizs in my life. some of you are sympthetic i am coming so if like to answer my question.

 

 

how much do you charge?

 

 

i know depends on the person, someone poor - lot less. then someone in 1,0000,000 house. believe it or not, i had every intentions of charging a lot less then when i researched this 2009. i waited since it was new see how it panned out.

 

this was planned for 3 years, i be looking for super cheap house for years. i have some capital still. i could get $50k in month. But i need to plan for retirement, plus put back the money from kids in college. daughter is $35k a year but $15k sports scholarship.

 

ok you know me, you know what i need and what i am doing if you like too assist me or add anything.

 

thank you! off to the doc

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why not give me some facts? fuuny thing is you joined this site after i was going to do it but i decided to try working again?

 

How about you clone master? looks like you only been in 1.6 years.

 

Did you ever look at the location of nuke power plants, consider wind condtions and wonder if your in the middle 100,000 year desert. I am, i need to relocate for other reasons. One big shot from the sun, you think this year is hot, wait to next. You think japan is bad? bring a nuke power plant location map on google - remember west wind and summer is southern wind. see if your in the hot zone.

 

I well aware of how much it cost, and how to do it. Remember i am from the 70's.

 

I not looking too sell overage, this site used to hook up patients and caregivers? i guess the door is slammed shut?

 

During the gold rush, u made the most money selling shovels.

During prohibition you made most money running not selling to the end user - i.e. the Joe Kennedy sr. he made is real money on the short side of the market during the crash preceding the depression,

 

when the new depression starts, we in it - LEO will be busy with real crime, unemployed or home protecting their families.

 

This is perfect post dollar crash biz, overage as you call it - will be a tradable and in demand commodity.

 

I am sure the supply guys will appreciate my $5000 initial

investment.

since "when someone joined" is so important, I figured I'd weigh in. user #11 here. only the founders are lower.

 

here's my thoughts.

 

where are you going to make your money? 5 patient's (that you have to find/convince to take a chance/wait on you) will barely keep you afloat. most all dispencerys are closed and the remaining few are low balling the caregivers pretty hard. your new to the state and have no contacts or circle of friend/patients to disperse overages to. you could go to a farmer's market, but that's no guarantee.

 

if your thinking black market/importing home, THAT'S ILLEGAL and I'm done with you

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the laws are under siege right now,educate what is going on with them and see if it's worth it too you then go for it. Know though it will take you at least two years to keep a steady supply for yourself and others,this is NOT over night success as LAnsing would like to make you think. For the people obeying the law and you better,two yrs minimum.

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the laws are under siege right now,educate what is going on with them and see if it's worth it too you then go for it. Know though it will take you at least two years to keep a steady supply for yourself and others,this is NOT over night success as LAnsing would like to make you think. For the people obeying the law and you better,two yrs minimum.

 

hey i really appreciate the input - ya, i am kind of soing hybrid method. i try to partner on the down and low - i like to convert a basement and live in it and make a room. pay rent with an existing grower who is small 100% legit.

 

 

this is why i waited: "the laws are under siege right now"

 

 

i could have all my patients up and ready 6 months with clones? my self, i could use speed growing and sea of green for lower yield but have it ready in 3 months with pure indica. i am quiet proficient and knowledgeable. sure it might 4 months. i cloned, with flor 20 years ago - statue of limitation is up! quit 100% when my kids where very small their on college now - statue of limitations is up. LEO do not waste your time! i used the same indica plant for 3 years to clone from. pick out the short stinky one! it never fails. i better say it was holland.

 

I had friend that did well with coffee can of sees got all different types outside - some of coarse did not bud fully - he took me to his secret location. started them in soil bags, just tossed the seeds in. pulled out the 1 foot plants and transplanted by a river. he never sold it, always shared it. it was very interesting.

 

i plan on property blend, that will take 2 years. i believe that is the way to go. blending for each patient. my goal is not to sell to 20' somethings who claim back issues. i am starting on with cronic pain since i understand it - clones will be of different type. i blend it and find the best mix.

 

i designed high tempature materials, ceramics - i did formulations. i see it as very similar, of think i said too much already

 

appreciate the advice when get up there tomorrow i figue it out. I know the laws are under attack, but indiana has a bill legalize it. i have leg up if it goes through - which it will not with rep in charge.

 

thx!

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since "when someone joined" is so important, I figured I'd weigh in. user #11 here. only the founders are lower.

 

here's my thoughts.

 

where are you going to make your money? 5 patient's (that you have to find/convince to take a chance/wait on you) will barely keep you afloat. most all dispencerys are closed and the remaining few are low balling the caregivers pretty hard. your new to the state and have no contacts or circle of friend/patients to disperse overages to. you could go to a farmer's market, but that's no guarantee.

 

if your thinking black market/importing home, THAT'S ILLEGAL and I'm done with you

 

 

i did not work for 7 years - i have already adjusted my life style only bill i need too pay is my car - wife covers the rest. i have unemployment starting soon. plus i have money coming as i did full commsion sales and the delay is 6 months.

 

i appreciate it!

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Feel free to give it a try. I can honestly tell you that unless you find 5 extremely rich patients who think your meds are the best on earth, you will barely make enough compensation to cover your costs. The only way you can make money USING this program, is to break the law.

If you decide to go that route, you will end up locked up. The law only allows a caregiver to posses 2.5 oz per patient, how can you make money after expenses with that amount? I have been a caregiver to 5 patients, one recently moved though. After the heat, air con, nutrients and electric are paid, I was coming out less than $50.00 per month ahead. Divide that by 30 to 40 hours of work per week in the grow rooms. Now with only 4 patients, it is costing me to grow. It's a good thing I have a good paying job to support my caregiver services. It is very rewarding and satisfying to know that I am providing safe and effective meds for some very sick people who would otherwise be suffering much more. I don't think anyone is worried about competition, and there will always be new patients registering. Keep in mind though, the state has had a plan to license 10 growers to provide the entire state with meds, due to some out of state lobbying and certain undesirable caregiver groups posing as patient advocates. If you come, remember what you have been told, because your chances of disappointment are very high. Good luck.

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Compassion and profitability are difficult to keep under the same roof. Usually you have to choose one or the other.

 

Can you make money growing? Yes... anyone who says otherwise is not being honest with you.

 

Can you make money legally under michigan law? Again, yes but it is much more difficult and you wont make much under the current model michigan has in place.

 

Many people here are very compassionate and do not want to see the law abused. Others do not want the competition. Regardless, once you spend some time here you will find most people here helpful and generally kind.

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Feel free to give it a try. I can honestly tell you that unless you find 5 extremely rich patients who think your meds are the best on earth, you will barely make enough compensation to cover your costs. The only way you can make money USING this program, is to break the law.

If you decide to go that route, you will end up locked up. The law only allows a caregiver to posses 2.5 oz per patient, how can you make money after expenses with that amount? I have been a caregiver to 5 patients, one recently moved though. After the heat, air con, nutrients and electric are paid, I was coming out less than $50.00 per month ahead. Divide that by 30 to 40 hours of work per week in the grow rooms. Now with only 4 patients, it is costing me to grow. It's a good thing I have a good paying job to support my caregiver services. It is very rewarding and satisfying to know that I am providing safe and effective meds for some very sick people who would otherwise be suffering much more. I don't think anyone is worried about competition, and there will always be new patients registering. Keep in mind though, the state has had a plan to license 10 growers to provide the entire state with meds, due to some out of state lobbying and certain undesirable caregiver groups posing as patient advocates. If you come, remember what you have been told, because your chances of disappointment are very high. Good luck.

 

 

Compassion and profitability are difficult to keep under the same roof. Usually you have to choose one or the other.

 

Can you make money growing? Yes... anyone who says otherwise is not being honest with you.

 

Can you make money legally under michigan law? Again, yes but it is much more difficult and you wont make much under the current model michigan has in place.

 

Many people here are very compassionate and do not want to see the law abused. Others do not want the competition. Regardless, once you spend some time here you will find most people here helpful and generally kind.

 

 

It will take some time to get everything the way you want it. So be patient.

 

Be careful be smart and be compassionate. Good luck man... in whatever you decide. I hope you choose the legal and compassionate route.

 

 

finally the info i wanted - you guys bummed me out! i was going to get second care giver. Relative, so that would give me 126 plants - legally.

 

i figured it take time to get book of biz, but, most people seem too thing the opportunity has passed. making 50 bucks! glad you had a good job..... o man ... that is not what i wanted too here.

 

well california or Colorado? which one is next on the list!

 

i expect this but not that bad, obviously the market is saturated? I am not sure but I am still coming out for nice Michigan drive along the lake and then inside.

 

In the end the most honest responses seem to be my greatest deterrent. But that is why i made the post - isn't it!

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i did have one last trick to find a doctor to take my case into consideration to jump start me. honest answer from you gets a truer picture from me.

 

as far small amounts on the side? consideration only if i need to pay the mortgage - i planned on using a trust to protect my familey and my assets - especially those that go bang.

 

 

The avatar, that is my son floating on the group, someone i was guarding small young lady that tag under my shadow shot the picture i no idea he was surfing and that is me in yellow. I am just a arm!

 

how do i do 12 hour mosh pits, max oxy. and lots of cold water on my body and head!

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Many caregivers here provide meds to their patients for what they can afford to pay. If you find well to do patients who use a lot of meds, obviously you would do better than I. I provide meds to my patients at cost or less because that is what I want to do. I could make some money if I desired to see my patients unable to eat well, or move to substandard housing.

If you ever consider 2 caregivers, keep them in seperate locations, as the attorney general frowns on shared grow spaces.

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