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I am posting this on behalf of these good people. Please show your support, come to their trial on June 4, 2012 at 9 am. The Federal Court building is located at 110 Michigan Street NW, Grand Rapids, MI 49503.

 

On January 15, 2012 the DEA came to pick up John Marcinkewciz (42), Shelley Waldron (42) and Jacob Montague (26) on Federal Marijuana charges. How and why our great nation thought they were guilty of federal marijuana charges, I have no idea. When and why did Oboma change his stance and decide to charge these human beings with federal marijuana crimes seems outrageous, but, unfortunately it is true.

 

Now where do we go from here? It seems that this great state of Michigan has enough common sense to fight against Obama care but doesn't have enough sense to keep there word to its people. Now why, since I was growing marijuana in a marijuana friendly state, do I not have the privilege to exercise my states right? Yes, this is a legal grow. Just ask your elected officials, they will tell you the same thing they told us. Read the medical marijuana law and follow it the best you can. The only thing they forgot to say, is at anytime the DEA can and will kick your door down then its up to the way on any given day the state DEA decides to interpret the law. Like the day they raided my grow up they were working as feds. It didn't matter to them that I was a legal card holder. They informed me it was still illegal federally. I had paperwork on the premises but they said I probably made it up. Instead of calling the magistrate and informing him this was a medical marijuana operation. They just kept going, taking pictures and tossing around Jacob. Then the head detective called my phone and told me to go to my storage unit. He acted like Jacob so I stopped by my house and they were there. They held us outside and said we couldn't go inside unless accompanied with an officer. I called a lawyer and plead the 5th. About 2 hours later they got a search warrant based upon what they found at the storage unit. Then they did just like on TV. They went through the house tearing everything up. If it sounds familiar, ask someone from WWII what the Nazi's did. Only thing missing was the SS but they had DEA. Now where were the state CMET officers? They changed their names to feds. Wow they were the same people. Now who do they work for they said in the beginning CMET but now we are federally charged. Our beginning paper work was state o Michigan. Now it says United States of America vs us. Why did Obama's crew decide to pick us? Was it because Brian Thiede needed a favor or because he knew this case was bull? Why is the Federal Government in my Michigan House? We are innocent. Now this question will be before Judge Bell in Grand Rapids Federal Court, 110 Michigan Street NW, Grand Rapids, MI 49503. Pre-trial is at 10 am, May 22, Trial begins June 4, 2012, at 9 am. This is a huge case and will last for approximately 2 weeks. Please come and show your support. I am fighting for our rights.

 

WE HAVE THE JEFFERY FEIGER LAW FIRM AS HEAD COUNCIL LEON WEISS ATTY EXTRAORDINAIRE AND THE WILLIS LAW OFFICEW/JASON RONNING FOR HEAD COUNCIL. EVERYONE KNOWS FEIGER LAW. WILLIS LAW OFFICE HAS 4 LOCATIONS IN MICHIGAN. IF YO CAN ATTEND PLEASE DO THIS. IT ISN'T JUST FOR ME, IT'S FOR EVERONE IN TEH UNITED STATES. PEOPLE THIS IS FEDERAL NOT STATE WITH THE LAW FIRMS THAT HAVE BEEN CHOSEN PLEASE PASS THIS ON TO AS MANY PEOPLE YOU KNOW. YOU NEVER KNOW WHEN THIS MIGHT BE YOU AND UNTIL THIS ETS FIGURED OUT FEDERALLY EVERYONE IS AT RISK. ASYOU KNOW LAWYERS F THIS CALIBER DON'T COME CHEAP. iF THIS HAPPENS TO YOU, WHAT WILL YOU DO. BELIEVE ME I DIDN'T THINK THIS WOULD HAPPEN TO ME. THANK YOU AND GOD BLESS.

 

WE ARE INNOCENT.

 

JOHN MARCINKEWCIA

SHELLEY WALDRON

JACOB MONTAGUE

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Plus more than 200 if you read it. That means between 222 and 398. Lot of plants to take care of at most 18 patients.

Two people charged with manufacturing more than 200 plants....hmmmm. Was that two separate groups of over 200 plants or were they both charged with the same over 200 plants.

 

Too me this means at least 221 and up to infinity. The charge was over 200. We don't know how many over they were. It could have been 1000.

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In another thread, some guy in Muskegon was caught at conservatively 2x the legal plant count, and he was a NON USING patient- got his ticket punched so he could have ANOTHER 12 plants. Lot of debate with folks talking about this and that. What I said this afternoon is again reaffirmed by this posting....

 

Posted Today, 01:24 PM

Because they know what they want to do and 'should' be able to do. They don't let the limitations of the law or the rules stand in their way. And as a result they risk the Act for the rest of you. AND, when they get caught, they want to hide behind you as you rally to their defense. Sorry to be blunt, but sometimes we have to be to protect people.

 

Dr. Bob

 

This seems to be pretty much the same situation based on the reports. Do the math folks, even at 1 oz per plant, this is, at a minimum, over an ounce a week for 18 patients. Medical grow? ALL needed simpson oil so the limits 'don't apply'? Look at the numbers, this is MINIMUM 221 plants and 3 full caregivers with 5 patients each (assume the best case). It could easily be several multipliers of that number. Let's see what the evidence shows. Unless you want to be one of those 'jury nullification' types that says acquit everyone- and what message does that send to the 63% about the 2% with cards and the maybe 10% active in this community? It says we accept no responsibility for our actions, we don't have to follow the rules, and we'll look for any loophole we can find, even at the expense of the Act, to get ourselves out of trouble.

 

You know, just like we say the cops act.

 

Dr. Bob

 

PS for the record, I hope the information in the article was wildly off, and this was a legal medical grow and the DEA gets burned. But before I just jump on the 'acquit the poor patients all the time' bandwagon, I want to see what the accurate numbers are and the situation. I am not willing to risk my reputation and the Act if it turns out to be a criminal operation by some folks trying to beat the system and make a buck. I'm not here to support a cartel any more than any patient, caregiver, or supporter of the gift of the voters of Michigan know as the MMMA should be.

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I can not go into much of any details, but, as I understand it, the numbers are a lie by the law. There were never more than 91 plants at any location as far as I know. All card holders were with in the legal parameters of the peoples initiative of 2008.

 

I will post more information if it becomes available.

 

Let's us not assume the worst of these people, they are good people and had only their patients best interest in mind.

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Is there any more detail we can get like location, weight, plant count, stuff like that?

 

Hey Zap,

 

I can't give any details without the permission of the targets of our government.

 

I can tell you that all state charges were dropped because these folks were in full compliance with the Act, the feds decided to pick up the case from there. I am trying to get permission to post the Indictment and as soon as I do, I will get it posted. This document will pzzzzzzzz you all off, I can't believe what I saw.

 

Again, for the last time, these are good people and do not deserve what is happening to them, no one who is involved with medical marijuana deserves this, I don't give a darn if they had 200 or 2000 of gods plants, they just don't deserve it. No one should be going to jail over a plant! God put this plant on this earth for our use for Food, Fuel, Fiber and Medicine just as he put the animals, vegetables, herbs and fish here for us to use. If you ask me, there will be a lot of people trying to explain to Saint Peter what they were thinking. I'm sure that they will be in for a rude awakening in Hell. Thank you for the vent, I needed that.

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91 plants is far better than 222, but I am concerned about the qualifier 'at any one location'. As I said, I'm more interested in seeing actual numbers and such. Newspapers and cops lie, so do defendants. I'm all for giving the benefit of the doubt until it is clear there is no doubt. But don't confuse 'best interests of patients' with 'full compliance with the Act'. I'll wait until I see the actual documents to decide what I think, in the meantime I'll wait.

 

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91 plants is far better than 222, but I am concerned about the qualifier 'at any one location'. As I said, I'm more interested in seeing actual numbers and such. Newspapers and cops lie, so do defendants. I'm all for giving the benefit of the doubt until it is clear there is no doubt. But don't confuse 'best interests of patients' with 'full compliance with the Act'. I'll wait until I see the actual documents to decide what I think, in the meantime I'll wait.

 

Dr. Bob

 

Dr. Bob,

 

I do respect your opinion, but I want to reiterate what I believe to be most important for us to remember, "these are good people and do not deserve what is happening to them, no one who is involved with medical marijuana deserves this, I don't give a darn if they had 200 or 2000 of gods plants, they just don't deserve it. No one should be going to jail over a plant! God put this plant on this earth for our use for Food, Fuel, Fiber and Medicine just as he put the animals, vegetables, herbs and fish here for us to use."

 

I hope that we can agree that what I said is true, no one deserves jail time over a plant placed on this planet for us to use by Gods own hands. Those who oppose us in our efforts to make a sane choice of medicine should be ashamed.

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Hey Zap,

 

I can't give any details without the permission of the targets of our government.

 

I can tell you that all state charges were dropped because these folks were in full compliance with the Act, the feds decided to pick up the case from there. I am trying to get permission to post the Indictment and as soon as I do, I will get it posted. This document will pzzzzzzzz you all off, I can't believe what I saw.

 

Again, for the last time, these are good people and do not deserve what is happening to them, no one who is involved with medical marijuana deserves this, I don't give a darn if they had 200 or 2000 of gods plants, they just don't deserve it. No one should be going to jail over a plant! God put this plant on this earth for our use for Food, Fuel, Fiber and Medicine just as he put the animals, vegetables, herbs and fish here for us to use. If you ask me, there will be a lot of people trying to explain to Saint Peter what they were thinking. I'm sure that they will be in for a rude awakening in Hell. Thank you for the vent, I needed that.

 

ok Im gonna start studying how to grow poppie plants! one of gods plants!!!!! what do the simpsons say? well I say BS!!!!!!!

 

this is the kind of thing that makes the rest of us look bad, and the ones that support em even do worse, I dont care if its 200 or 2000 not my quote but the one from above,,,,,,Im glad you dont care, you may be bunking with one of them since you dont care! we have a law and if we want it to get any better we need to try our best to abide by the law!

 

I would much rather spend my valuable time going in support of the person who was one or two plants over, and had extra overages because he has a pt that needs simpson oil than some one that totaly abuses our law and dont give a flower about the rest of us,

 

 

good people I have no doubt they are good people,,,,,,good people do bad things, it dont mean they are bad...they broke the law! and they must have known they were or they would not have been able to hire figers fricking law firm,

 

csi= Cant Stand Idiots!

 

Peace and enjoy talking to your self supporting these folks, also I hope you are not growing! I would not show my face or donkey at their court hearing, we all have a price, but sorry no one offered my price to support these folks, now I bet they were doing the same thing 6yrs ago o12yrs ago, like I was, would you have come and supported me 12 yrs ago? I think not! no one came and supported me and I only had simple possesion charges! and you know what, I didnt need no ones support! I did it myself, hmmmmm

 

One more thing! It went from state against us to feds against us becuase of the outragious numbers, and they are hiding behind our law, and screwing all of us! this kind of stuff pisses me right off, and they have a lackey to come on here and get people to support them, go to joes site, he will join ya! and you can all burn one outside the courth while picketing!

 

Best of luck to your buddys! :butt2:

 

Peace

Jim

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Anyone over 72 can EXPECT this. You just can't do it. That goes back a couple years now. The feds gave us a lot of hints. Tearing peoples grows down that had over 72. Letting them set back up with LESS THAN 72. Over 72 and get caught, you are not bad people, but you broke the rules as they stand, clear as day with the feds. Any time you break the rules and get caught you lose. That's life.

 

Sooner or later the penalties are going to get higher. At lot of people were let slide. That will stop at some point. Understand the high stakes, you may be betting your life on your 72+ grow.

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You are entitled to your opinion as well as EVERYONE else phaquetoo, but, I think that you are wrong on several counts. First of all, I do not agree that it makes us all look bad, yes, if they are guilty of sin, then it is they that look bad. Because your brother has a new car and you have an old one, does this make you look bad, NO it does not, you are just less fortunate than your brother.

 

Secondly, you have already convicted these people. Shame on you. Don't you recall a posting on here sometime back describing exactly what would motivate the DEA to charge you? I seem to remember that they would not act unless you were over 99 plants. Could this have influenced these people to have the counts that they had?

 

"Peace and enjoy talking to your self supporting these folks, also I hope you are not growing! I would not show my face or donkey at their court hearing, we all have a price, but sorry no one offered my price to support these folks, now I bet they were doing the same thing 6yrs ago o12yrs ago, like I was, would you have come and supported me 12 yrs ago? I think not! no one came and supported me and I only had simple possesion charges! and you know what, I didnt need no ones support! I did it myself, hmmmmm" - What kind of mentality is this? I will just consider the source and I will support these good people as I would have you had I known of your situation. What is your price, $100, $200, ????

 

You support whomever you wish, I choose to support these people.

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I have received permission to post the Indictment so here it is:

 

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=gmail&attid=0.1&thid=137711b4a497489d&mt=application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document&url=https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?ui%3D2%26ik%3Db24eda56e3%26view%3Datt%26th%3D137711b4a497489d%26attid%3D0.1%26disp%3Dsafe%26realattid%3Db3147aae9efe23f3_0.1%26zw&sig=AHIEtbQZp0OQ62RVEvj2T8zdfgcW-4brVg

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I seem to remember that they would not act unless you were over 99 plants. Could this have influenced these people to have the counts that they had?

 

The news says one of them had over 200 plants. If he did read our advice he wasn't following it. I see that advice written here nearly every day. You can't sidestep it Herb, they were really greedy. I'm sure you know that it's easy to stay under 72 and have plenty of cannabis. No one MEDICAL should be having this kind of trouble with the feds. 72 or less should be plenty.

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This link is broken.

 

Sorry, we were unable to find the document at the original source. Verify that the document still exists.

 

You can also try to download the original document by clicking here. Alternatively, you can view the plain HTML (automatically redirecting).

 

 

Is this on your end or mine...

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We all clearly believe no one "should" go to jail for growing a plant. But what we believe and what the law says are two different things. It is our responsibility as medical marijuana patients and caregivers to act responsibly in regards to this plant. We are still at war, we must win by showing we are not trying to pull anything over on anyone. There is no place for greed in regards to MMJ right now. You can enjoy a great medicine and maybe even supplement your income, but if you get delusions of riches you will find yourself in a bad spot. It is inevitable..

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I have read the MMMA law over and over and over. I do not see how folks keep coming up with 72 plants, you are allowed 5 patients at 12 plants for each patient( as a caregiver), this comes to 60 plants. If you are a caregiver and list yourself as a patient( as in having both a caregiver and patient card), then now you only have room for 4 other patients. The caregiver card does not automatically give you the right to grow 12 plants, you must have a designated patient, then legally you can grow 12 plants for each of 5 patients, I would not go over 60 plants for any reason, just my 2 cents!!

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I actually heard the department state 72, and Chad is right, a caregiver gets 5, a self growing patient does not have a caregiver, so if the caregiver is a patient as well, he can have 5 and he counts for 6 (a patient without a caregiver grows for himself), thus 72. IF a caregiver as a patient named another as his caregiver, he could have 5x12 or 60.

 

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