Want To Get Directly Involved With Helping Patients?

[Celliach]

To serve local communities the Michigan Medical Marijuana Association (3MA) has envisioned a network of patient support groups or compassion clubs through out the state. These clubs would provide information and support for patients in the immediate area and would be supported with materials, newsletters and speakers from the 3MA. They would operate no differently than any other condition-based patient support group such as a cancer support group, for example, or a chronic pain support group.

We are currently interested in helping develop a club of this type in your area, and we need volunteers to get this winderful idea initiated.

These groups would introduce patients to the Michigan Medical Marijuana Act (MMMA), help them with emotional support, registration, discuss current legal and legislative news, provide a safe enviroment for patients to meet caregivers, as well as other actions to support the local medical marijuana (MMJ) community. They are not for sharing medicine, seeds or clones. Members of cancer support groups do not bring their medications to meetings to share with everyone else, and neither should the members of a compassion club.

Medicine cannot be transfered in any way, shape or form, nor can the clubs endorse any transfers other than from a caregiver to his/her registered patient. They are for facilitating the meeting of accomplished caregivers and registered patients only. The clubs cannot endorse or support any questionably legal bahavior such as a co-op or farmer’s market, and must completely comply with the 3MA policy of unambiguous compliance while we fight to improve the rights and protections of patients.

The 3MA will give you full support in achieving this important and rewarding mission and help in trying to obtain a meeting place and advertising for your meetings, as well as provide informational packets to keep your group operating. Someone is available daily to help with any and all problems you may have.

By organizing into a statewide network of community-based, "grass-roots" compassion clubs, we become a powerful force encouraging legislators, law enforcement officials, and other opponents to work with us rather than against us. Acting together as a united block of voting power we ensure that Michigan's medical marijuana community is recognized and respected. Local Compassion Clubs, working in concert with the 3MA give voice to the whole MMJ community and help spread the idea that marijuana is a viable treatment option

Anyone interested in joining our team and making a difference please contact: Kelley Laughlin http://michiganmedic.../2803-celliach/

[cristinew]

Its been posted for a day,, and no response , if i did not live hours from any people i would take this up.

[Dr. Bob]

I'll be happy to be a speaker. Both upper and lower Michigan.

 

Dr. Bob

[Celliach]

Thanks Bob!

[Croppled1]

"These groups would introduce patients to the Michigan Medical Marijuana Act (MMMA), help them with emotional support, registration, discuss current legal and legislative news, provide a safe enviroment for patients to meet caregivers, as well as other actions to support the local medical marijuana (MMJ) community. They are not for sharing medicine, seeds or clones. Members of cancer support groups do not bring their medications to meetings to share with everyone else, and neither should the members of a compassion club."

 

How many cancer patients grow their own medicine and belong to support groups specifically for chemo or radiation based on access ? At every chronic pain support group I have attended and there are very few for men everyone had their medication there they have too . No sharing is not normal or legal for other medications but this is a safe herb and everyone that is qualified has no store to purchase it from and many are unable to build single caregiver relationships while also going through emotional and physical changes . Relationships that are too confining to actually gaurantee a non interupted affordable medicinal supply safely .

 

I would like to say also many people even in medicine do not understand dependent vs addiction which only involves purely recreational use that is leading to negative consequences . The main problem is medicine has never been able to reverse either situation comfortabley for many and treats both groups the same which is 100% wrong . Doctors create tens of thousands of dependent individuals whom need our understanding and care each year . I know I have been on several dependent medications at once with different specialists talk about a mess to unwind when something goes wrong . Many individuals would be dead already without having their severe symptoms treated inspite of the barberic care they will eventually receive if something goes wrong or they fall into hands that do not agree in principle with their medical routine ( patients need more protections ) . They are put on dependent medications for comfort then comfort is not even a consideration after their out of the windows of workmans comp or other insurance programs that benefited . You can't reverse the physiological changes in ones body after years of taking a substance in 3-5 days like our courts have deemed is customerry and necessary reasonable care . People often believe because I am pro cannabis I am pro drug use which is abolutely untrue . I know you feel the same and this manifests in your idea that cannabis be prohibited from patient or support group meetings . I just can't believe I am the only one that thinks it is wrong and a idea founded from discrimination that comes from years of living under zero tolerance . I do think most patients are all terrified to say anything else in a public forum at this point .

 

When on a dependent medication any interuption of dosing will send one into negative effects the most important aspect of taking a dependent medication is keeping a even dose in ones system . Eventually one feels no effect it is ones normal state . You do this because in illness or injury your untreated state is so terrible it would directly cause death and you consider yoursel lucky to live like this as terrible as being dependent is with the witch hunt for substance abusers ongoing now in our society .

 

I would not consider cannabis a dependent medication myself but without a constant therapuetic dose being in ones system one will not have the benefit of the reduction in severity of symptoms they experience otherwise . So since dosing with cannabis needs to be done almost hourly meeting where there is no access is impossible for many patients whom truely receive a therapuetic relief of symptoms or side effects of taking other medications through the use of cannabis . By believing in this concept your espousing your causing patients to discriminate against themselves . I know of no other medications treated like this that are part of regular dosing one becomes accustom too .

 

I think this idea that one can only use cannabis at home alone is flawed and hurting everyone from unifying under one State orginization . Obviously if you only use your medicine when you want to your in a different situation then someone who rely's on it to function at all for brief periods of the day . As it was told to me if you don't believe it helps some individuals that much you might not really believe in the medical properties of cannabis at all .

Edited July 10, 2012 by Croppled1

[shishka]

Curious, this sounds a lot like something that was tried a few years ago and failed. What is different now that makes you think it could work?

[Celliach]

Back in the day the network was abandoned by the 3MA management to work on other things. Before they abondoned the idea it was working. There are several CCs left from those days even. Nobody was here to help support the clubs and those running this organization had no interest in keeping them going. I'm now trying to build a network with support.

 

Are you interested in helping?

[Croppled1]

Back in the day the network was abandoned by the 3MA management to work on other things. Before they abondoned the idea it was working. There are several CCs left from those days even. Nobody was here to help support the clubs and those running this organization had no interest in keeping them going. I'm now trying to build a network with support.

 

Are you interested in helping?

 

My understanding was few clubs desired to cooperate and form under one State Wide orginization passing up money needed for one . The clubs were motivated by having caregivers find patients while we all know there are way more caregivers then patients whom can afford not to grow let alone 5 per . Someone told me the ratio is near 1 caregiver now for 3 patients . I further heard many in lost interest because there was no fun built in and the educational meetings were the same thing over and over with people so ill they had trouble attending without any abillity to medicate or at all and no recreational activities like other service clubs to keep them returning and lift their spirits . The main issue was in unfriendly areas free meeting places like Libraries had security systems that filmed participants coming and going allowing for Law Enforcement to create surveillance lists from meeting participants . Remember everyone there is a subversive in the eyes of a local DEA authority whether they choose to pursue them or not .

 

As far as education a pamphlet would be more effective that could be had for a donation to the MMMA . However how would you meet caregivers selling thier wares without these meetings , right ? I can see the motivation and the need if your a caregiver looking for patients or a patient who uses so little it is better to have someone grow it for you if you can afford to pay what they want . At least until the SC rules on compensation for caregivers . Who would of thought law enforcement would not at least set the rules clearly for patients to comprehend all program participants are at a severe disadvantage constantly wondering if they have coverred all their bases not easily done for the disabled and dehabillitated . Good luck I really think your a good individual with positive intentions . My words express what I saw , felt and heard you may not agree . It might also work better the second time around if one recognizes the problems originally faced .

Edited July 11, 2012 by Croppled1

[Celliach]

Well I happen to know that it can be done because I've been running a CC for three years now. It's a good thing everyone didn't feel the way you do, because we'd be defeated before we started.

 

I do wish you hadn't used this thread to discourage people from trying to help patients though.

[Dr. Bob]

The Central Michigan Compassion Club uses my facilities in Mt. Pleasant for their meetings, the Compassion Resource Center (a hub for about 5 clubs in SW Michigan) uses my Portage/Kalamazoo Holistic Center for their meetings. Both locations have good space and are provided free of charge to the clubs. I have another center in Saginaw available for the same, but don't have a club in that area to use it.

 

While I'll be working with physician groups to educate docs, I agree with Cell that we need a good network of clubs throughout the state. The caregiver/patient system will work well if patients have a way to simply meet and get to know caregivers at the clubs. I tried to set up a forum to facilitate that but I think most caregivers with computers were busy over here debating the issues of the day and it was underutilized. Perhaps taking the concept of having club pages here and moving that forum from my website to here might be a better idea? The best way to do it is to have the club leadership designate one person to maintain the club page on the MMMA and keep everyone updated on the activities of the club, much like Clare does here. Clare seems to be the only club with a web presence and we need more content out there for the search engines to pick up on from the other clubs.

 

Dr. Bob

[Croppled1]

http://batchgeo.com/map/176332a190be19c8e444b549384a06cc

 

There are many patients out there that could benefit from caregiver assistance that are untapped because they can't attend meetings or are confused what to do because they need to grow themselves do to cost . They need starter supplies if nothing else but it is so hard to find caregivers who are not interested in holding the patients plants or profit first and formost .Creating legal distribution and assistance via level one compliance with respect for the current understanding of being unambiguous within the Act by being a caregiver not holding plants for a patient that passes on legal supplies is truely noble . I hope you can find truly compassionate people who may consider this approach and encourage participation . I know some who are very ill without hope of working again that feel very violated by " friends " who are only interested in selling them cannabis for profit or other services . I hope reflection will end this within reason there has to be a balance of compassion and remuneration in the end . Many of these same individuals must use medicare or insurance . Again Good luck I really like Dr Bobs site if nobody has been there they should at least take a look hundreds of hours of work had to be involved which displays extreme motivation , investment and dedication whether this is the direction one desires or can take by paying cash .

Edited July 11, 2012 by Croppled1

[Croppled1]

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I have never heard of this at all. I live in Birmingham and run the Compassion Club from the library there, and I would think that, as these things go, Birmingham would be considered an "unfriendly" community, and still I am quite certain that the library would never offer up camera footage so the DEA could investigate our club members.

 

Where did you hear this? I find the whole idea quite unbelievable.

 

From DEA at the Law Symposium in Detroit 3 years ago . Depending on the Library any footage of activity not in compliance with all Federal State or Local Law is fair game under Homeland Security or FOI to EPIC or FBI though I reasoned State and Local Law Enforcement may not be able to question medical cannabis activity . We have seen resistance to that concept within the State . Similar to what is enforced on University Campuses receiving Federal Monies . Where or if it actually has occured sorry I wouldn't have a clue and you should find comfort in that . I am sure they know who you are . My local DEA live very close , very close though I do not know them personally I am sure they know who I am . Keep it 100% legal like you do . I will do the same .

Edited July 11, 2012 by Croppled1

[Celliach]

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From DEA at the Law Symposium in Detroit 3 years ago . Depending on the Library any footage or activity not in compliance with all Federal State or Local Law is fair game under Homeland Security or FOI . Similar to what is enforced on University Campuses receiving Federal Monies . Where or if it actually has occured sorry I wouldn't have a clue and you should find comfort in that . I am sure they know who you are . My local DEA live very close , very close though I do not know them personally I am sure they know who I am . Keep it 100% legal like you do . I will do the same .

 

Al activity at a 3Ma CC meeting is within the guidelines established by the federal justice department.

[CaveatLector]

This all sounds very J. Edgar Hoover-esque. Hoover used to keep 3x5 index cards with info on people. Laws have since been passed that prohibit collection of information for no real investigatory purpose. Given the fact that it isn't a crime to talk to one-another about marijuana, the videoing of such a meeting would not be allowed.

[Celliach]

We have been meeting at our local library for over three years and nobody affiliated with our club has been arrested.

[Croppled1]

This all sounds very J. Edgar Hoover-esque. Hoover used to keep 3x5 index cards with info on people. Laws have since been passed that prohibit collection of information for no real investigatory purpose. Given the fact that it isn't a crime to talk to one-another about marijuana, the videoing of such a meeting would not be allowed.

 

I beg to differ with you but security cameras run at many libraries 24/7 in all parts not just the computer rooms . Cameras are a part of life and law enforcement everywhere in public even our County Recreation Building has them as well as some Parks .

[Celliach]

I beg to differ with you but security cameras run at many libraries 24/7 in all parts not just the computer rooms . Cameras are a part of life and law enforcement everywhere in public even our County Recreation Building has them as well as some Parks .

Then maybe you shouldn't ever go anywhere or do anything.

[Croppled1]

 

Then maybe you shouldn't ever go anywhere or do anything.

 

Celliach Celliach

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Sent Today, 11:02 AM

 

Are you trying to get people to not help?

 

Why are you sabotaging my thread?

Kelley's Kaleidoscope

Proud Member of Michigan Cannabis Patients

Secretary/Treasurer of The Dickinson County Compassion Club

"The UP's oldest and only compassion club."

 

[Croppled1]

 

 

Celliach Celliach

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Sent Today, 11:02 AM

 

Are you trying to get people to not help?

 

Why are you sabotaging my thread?

Kelley's Kaleidoscope

Proud Member of Michigan Cannabis Patients

Secretary/Treasurer of The Dickinson County Compassion Club

"The UP's oldest and only compassion club."

 

Nobody is trying to sabotage anything if you want a controlled thread don't post in a open to the public forum this has been happening allot lately . Nobody is out to get you I hope you get all the help you need .

Edited July 11, 2012 by Croppled1

[Celliach]

Nobody is trying to sabotage anything if you want a controlled thread don't post in a open to the public forum this has been happening allot lately . Nobody is out to get you I hope you get all the help you need .

 

It is very,very uncool to post a PM in a public forum. Very, very uncool.

[Croppled1]

 

 

I think that is a great question, Croppled. Why post a PM?

 

Because this is a public forum and one needs to see how the moderator deteriorated and is attacking another patient . I am tired of receiving PMs from people wanting to control the threads here . The thread is self explanatory as well as the disconnects . We can't read everyones purpose into a thread and help massage it . Infact the thread received no attention until others including myself posted .

[Celliach]

That was not an attack, that was a legitimate question. If I was going to attack you, I'd do it in public where it would have meaning, not in private where nobody can see it.

[Croppled1]

This is the PM it has nothing to do filming at a Library .

 

 

 

 

you trying to get people to not help?

 

 

Why are you sabotaging my thread?

Edited July 11, 2012 by Croppled1

[Croppled1]

 

Then maybe you shouldn't ever go anywhere or do anything.

 

Where is anyone suggesting a person should not help or do anything ?

[Celliach]

Where is anyone suggesting a person should not help or do anything ?

I said that because you seem to be really paranoid about cameras filming you everywhere you go.