Want To Get Directly Involved With Helping Patients?

[+mayorherb]

Just don't bring cannabis to the library and things will be fine. A healthy sense of privacy is a great asset in these times, however.

Our meetings are held in a Library..We do NOT allow any meds, Medibles, plants,ect in the library.

[+mayorherb]

Because this is a public forum and one needs to see how the moderator deteriorated and is attacking another patient . I am tired of receiving PMs from people wanting to control the threads here . The thread is self explanatory as well as the disconnects . We can't read everyones purpose into a thread and help massage it . Infact the thread received no attention until others including myself posted .

You tell them..

[+mayorherb]

To serve local communities the Michigan Medical Marijuana Association (3MA) has envisioned a network of patient support groups or compassion clubs through out the state. These clubs would provide information and support for patients in the immediate area and would be supported with materials, newsletters and speakers from the 3MA. They would operate no differently than any other condition-based patient support group such as a cancer support group, for example, or a chronic pain support group.

We are currently interested in helping develop a club of this type in your area, and we need volunteers to get this winderful idea initiated.

These groups would introduce patients to the Michigan Medical Marijuana Act (MMMA), help them with emotional support, registration, discuss current legal and legislative news, provide a safe enviroment for patients to meet caregivers, as well as other actions to support the local medical marijuana (MMJ) community. They are not for sharing medicine, seeds or clones. Members of cancer support groups do not bring their medications to meetings to share with everyone else, and neither should the members of a compassion club.

Medicine cannot be transfered in any way, shape or form, nor can the clubs endorse any transfers other than from a caregiver to his/her registered patient. They are for facilitating the meeting of accomplished caregivers and registered patients only. The clubs cannot endorse or support any questionably legal bahavior such as a co-op or farmer’s market, and must completely comply with the 3MA policy of unambiguous compliance while we fight to improve the rights and protections of patients.

The 3MA will give you full support in achieving this important and rewarding mission and help in trying to obtain a meeting place and advertising for your meetings, as well as provide informational packets to keep your group operating. Someone is available daily to help with any and all problems you may have.

By organizing into a statewide network of community-based, "grass-roots" compassion clubs, we become a powerful force encouraging legislators, law enforcement officials, and other opponents to work with us rather than against us. Acting together as a united block of voting power we ensure that Michigan's medical marijuana community is recognized and respected. Local Compassion Clubs, working in concert with the 3MA give voice to the whole MMJ community and help spread the idea that marijuana is a viable treatment option

Anyone interested in joining our team and making a difference please contact: Kelley Laughlin http://michiganmedic.../2803-celliach/

Our compassion club has been going strong for a few years now..We are also willing to help anyone start/build a compassion club..We have helped with several..And are working on helping a cpl get started now..We are also willing To help n any way..We Educate /Support Any and all Patients and Patients to be..We also have a good working Community with the law enforcement..We have found that the law enforcment needs the most education.

[Ms Chocolate]

I begin to host meetings in March 2009. There was my home library, but I held meeting at a number of the Detroit Public Libraries. There is video taping at these libraries, but not because of the meetings, this is just part of the library’s protocol.

 

I did the best I could to control things. I had guest who did not want to be recorded in any way (I am included in that bunch). The most I could do was request that there be no recording during meetings, which was my limit. I did have a caveat on my meeting announcement, and was vocal is saying when I thought a guest was approaching, or about to cross a line.

 

Like it has been mentioned elsewhere in this thread, there was some level 2 & 3 activities that I (1 tried to stay on top of, and (2 try not to get pulled into. I have attended meetings in Dearborn, Ferndale, Birmingham and others. All of these were held in public places, and all the hosts held pretty much the same control. Our goals and concerns centered on educating the public.

 

As for law enforcement being at the meetings, I have invited them. I had nothing to hide, but lots to give. Like the rest of us, they or someone they know has a qualifying medical condition. The information presented is as important to them as it is to the rest of us.

 

When I announced that I would have to fold due to health issues, I found that there was much support coming from other clubs, nothing from the 3MA (for which I was soured). It is refreshing to hear that the 3MA is looking to step up its game. Four years later, I believe that there is more the need for education than in the past. I am still stopped while at the library and on the streets about upcoming meetings. I have considered hosting something in regards to the upcoming Detroit marihuana ballot question, and explaining the difference between it and the question of 2008.

 

Again, It is refreshing to hear that the 3MA is looking to step up its game.

 

 

 

 

This information from the 3MA Compassion Club section needs to be deleted. "For more information contact lovelymaryjane45@yahoo.com Join us on our website www.spiritofdetroitcc@ning.com (link is dead from old site)". I'd asked for deletion before, but was told that I was not an offericer, therefore could not make the request.

Edited July 14, 2012 by Ms Chocolate

[The Digital Nomad]

I learned that some patients and caregivers do not want to join a club. They were private people before they became patients, so why should we make them join a club and play the social network game?

We need to make sure that the MMMA program can reach those patients and caregivers who wish to stay at home. I know of many patients who started out relying on clubs and dispensaries, and now they are independent. Caregivers have become successful with just 1 -2 patients.

 

Clubs working together? yes there is politics (only if I am in charge!), there was money issues (I got to pay to join your club?), and then the problem was mostly local - why should a club in Mt Clemens care about funding a club in Traverse City? supporters just could not keep up with out of town travel to support other club events - so they didn't go.

Maybe the program needs to accept clubs that don't want to join.

 

City Ordinances prohibiting meetings sometimes make it hard for clubs to start in some areas.

 

The best plan? it can allow the member to chose to be public or private - we can give them the tools for both.

Both packages would require the legal handbook by Komorn, uptodate package with recent court rulings. Now you got the law in your hands.

We can provide them with a forum to get growing and using tips for medical marijuana. We can assist clubs in their areas so they become successful to care for this patient.

We fight for rights of clubs and dispensaries to co-exist. We promote michigan grown.

 

We need to avoid the emotional games, stop the "Fear, Uncertainty, and Despair" mindset, and stay focused on logical things we can accomplish.

I have seen good progress in the MMMP.

[GrowGoddess]

To serve local communities the Michigan Medical Marijuana Association (3MA) has envisioned a network of patient support groups or compassion clubs through out the state. These clubs would provide information and support for patients in the immediate area and would be supported with materials, newsletters and speakers from the 3MA. They would operate no differently than any other condition-based patient support group such as a cancer support group, for example, or a chronic pain support group.

We are currently interested in helping develop a club of this type in your area, and we need volunteers to get this winderful idea initiated.

These groups would introduce patients to the Michigan Medical Marijuana Act (MMMA), help them with emotional support, registration, discuss current legal and legislative news, provide a safe enviroment for patients to meet caregivers, as well as other actions to support the local medical marijuana (MMJ) community. They are not for sharing medicine, seeds or clones. Members of cancer support groups do not bring their medications to meetings to share with everyone else, and neither should the members of a compassion club.

Medicine cannot be transfered in any way, shape or form, nor can the clubs endorse any transfers other than from a caregiver to his/her registered patient. They are for facilitating the meeting of accomplished caregivers and registered patients only. The clubs cannot endorse or support any questionably legal bahavior such as a co-op or farmer’s market, and must completely comply with the 3MA policy of unambiguous compliance while we fight to improve the rights and protections of patients.

The 3MA will give you full support in achieving this important and rewarding mission and help in trying to obtain a meeting place and advertising for your meetings, as well as provide informational packets to keep your group operating. Someone is available daily to help with any and all problems you may have.

By organizing into a statewide network of community-based, "grass-roots" compassion clubs, we become a powerful force encouraging legislators, law enforcement officials, and other opponents to work with us rather than against us. Acting together as a united block of voting power we ensure that Michigan's medical marijuana community is recognized and respected. Local Compassion Clubs, working in concert with the 3MA give voice to the whole MMJ community and help spread the idea that marijuana is a viable treatment option

Anyone interested in joining our team and making a difference please contact: Kelley Laughlin http://michiganmedic.../2803-celliach/

"These groups would introduce patients to the Michigan Medical Marijuana Act (MMMA), help them with emotional support, registration, discuss current legal and legislative news, provide a safe enviroment for patients to meet caregivers, as well as other actions to support the local medical marijuana (MMJ) community. They are not for sharing medicine, seeds or clones. Members of cancer support groups do not bring their medications to meetings to share with everyone else, and neither should the members of a compassion club."

 

How many cancer patients grow their own medicine and belong to support groups specifically for chemo or radiation based on access ? At every chronic pain support group I have attended and there are very few for men everyone had their medication there they have too . No sharing is not normal or legal for other medications but this is a safe herb and everyone that is qualified has no store to purchase it from and many are unable to build single caregiver relationships while also going through emotional and physical changes . Relationships that are too confining to actually gaurantee a non interupted affordable medicinal supply safely .

 

I would like to say also many people even in medicine do not understand dependent vs addiction which only involves purely recreational use that is leading to negative consequences . The main problem is medicine has never been able to reverse either situation comfortabley for many and treats both groups the same which is 100% wrong . Doctors create tens of thousands of dependent individuals whom need our understanding and care each year . I know I have been on several dependent medications at once with different specialists talk about a mess to unwind when something goes wrong . Many individuals would be dead already without having their severe symptoms treated inspite of the barberic care they will eventually receive if something goes wrong or they fall into hands that do not agree in principle with their medical routine ( patients need more protections ) . They are put on dependent medications for comfort then comfort is not even a consideration after their out of the windows of workmans comp or other insurance programs that benefited . You can't reverse the physiological changes in ones body after years of taking a substance in 3-5 days like our courts have deemed is customerry and necessary reasonable care . People often believe because I am pro cannabis I am pro drug use which is abolutely untrue . I know you feel the same and this manifests in your idea that cannabis be prohibited from patient or support group meetings . I just can't believe I am the only one that thinks it is wrong and a idea founded from discrimination that comes from years of living under zero tolerance . I do think most patients are all terrified to say anything else in a public forum at this point .

 

When on a dependent medication any interuption of dosing will send one into negative effects the most important aspect of taking a dependent medication is keeping a even dose in ones system . Eventually one feels no effect it is ones normal state . You do this because in illness or injury your untreated state is so terrible it would directly cause death and you consider yoursel lucky to live like this as terrible as being dependent is with the witch hunt for substance abusers ongoing now in our society .

 

I would not consider cannabis a dependent medication myself but without a constant therapuetic dose being in ones system one will not have the benefit of the reduction in severity of symptoms they experience otherwise . So since dosing with cannabis needs to be done almost hourly meeting where there is no access is impossible for many patients whom truely receive a therapuetic relief of symptoms or side effects of taking other medications through the use of cannabis . By believing in this concept your espousing your causing patients to discriminate against themselves . I know of no other medications treated like this that are part of regular dosing one becomes accustom too .

 

I think this idea that one can only use cannabis at home alone is flawed and hurting everyone from unifying under one State orginization . Obviously if you only use your medicine when you want to your in a different situation then someone who rely's on it to function at all for brief periods of the day . As it was told to me if you don't believe it helps some individuals that much you might not really believe in the medical properties of cannabis at all .

 

I have some ideas that have been floating around in my head for a while now.

 

First, I was involved with a club starting in 2009 which sad to say, is no longer functioning for many reasons. Celliach, I see your side, it is true to me. Croppled1, I see your side, and a lot of what you say is true to me also. The one thing I really do not like about running a network, is the same thing that I do not like about our government (politicians). The main issue is temptation. By running a network, well that could lead to all kinds of temptation; we have certainly seen it before, in my opinion. I mean not to offend anyone; this is just how I have been seeing things. The compassion clubs that are running like you describe Celliach, and able to do so, well that is great. As for the club I was involved in, well, that was not going to happen, it was not what at least half of the people wanted, too many details to fully explain. I have become more interested in helping patients in a whole different way, like the power of a miracle. For example: A patient of mine who had cancer, who was also a stranger to me that I met through the club, is now cancer free, at no cost to him regarding the medicine he received. When I go to his house, and I see him with his family, playing with his children outside in the yard having a good time, well that is like a miracle to me. There was a night and day difference after he went through the treatment on his appearance, health, and overall wellbeing. Seeing that was truly priceless. Knowing that my grow room, and the medicine I provided him made it all happen. There were others that offered support in his cause too. I really learned from that experience. Having been part of a miracle is far more valuable than money or any temptation could possibly offer.

 

I have been around the block in respect to other marijuana websites. I have seen a lot of different contests. These contests were cool, fun, and also served a good purpose. What I would really like to see is a challenge, contest, maybe a different word would be better, but the point is, keeping a thread up with a review board to review cancer patients, and others with terminal illnesses, that need Simpson Oil and do not have the means to get it. These candidates would be screened per say, to follow all of the requirements of the proper dosage of the oil in order to combat the disease/illness. There would be guidelines to follow for each party, the patient and caregiver. The treatment should be put into a journal on the forum, much like the test grow journals I have seen on other sites. The journal would be expected to be start to finish with weekly entries. The main focus of the treatment would be the administration of the RSO. The patient would be provided all the oil they need at no cost to them throughout the treatment. What I did with my patient was had it set up to where the patient was in possession of the plants. I provided the oil at the same time helped him with growing his own plants so when the time came, he would in turn be able to continue to supply the oil for himself to continue maintenance treatments after the cancer was gone. Then, he was able to learn to rely on himself. I still help out here and there, which makes me feel good. Never once, did my patient take advantage of me in any way. If this idea grew and became popular, I would like to see the patients be put into different categories i.e. male, female, child, adult, age, family, no family, etc. Obviously, the caregivers supply RSO absolutely FREE, no compensation or donations are to be accepted. This is about compassion folks, nothing more. Even more so, it is a bout medicine, real natural medicine. Possibly even give out ten caregiver of the year awards. These should be based upon results and medicine, not how much money they have and can donate just medicine, quality, and supply. I would love to see something like this get started before the end of October 2012. In my opinion, if 3MA and others invest in this, and unfortunately, there was only one success story to report, due to lack of interest or just failures, it would still be worth it. Just one success story can be priceless.

 

Naturally the patient would be required to be legally registered to the caregiver through the MMMP.

 

I believe if somehow by the grace of God if this worked out and had good results, it would serve another big purpose. It could be our best weapon in helping to protect our medical marijuana patients and caregivers in many different ways.

 

Just my two cents…

 

Peace

[The Digital Nomad]

Growgodess,

That was the plan - to help patients help themselves. To free them from the chains of medical organizations that make patients jump through hoops, bend over, and pay through the nose. We don't want to replace one expensive system with another, by helping patients and caregivers become self reliant - it was the most compassionate thing we could do.

 

There are some patients so sick, they will need help for the remainder of their life, the idea of RSO for any sick person is a great idea, but it is the most quantity consuming mixture - requiring ounces to pounds to make.

For this to happen in michigan, I think we need to have more outdoor grows. Outdoor grows can meet the demand for RSO manufacture.

[Celliach]

RSO=hash oil. Let's start calling it what it is and stop confusing everyone.

[GrowGoddess]

Growgodess,

That was the plan - to help patients help themselves. To free them from the chains of medical organizations that make patients jump through hoops, bend over, and pay through the nose. We don't want to replace one expensive system with another, by helping patients and caregivers become self reliant - it was the most compassionate thing we could do.

 

There are some patients so sick, they will need help for the remainder of their life, the idea of RSO for any sick person is a great idea, but it is the most quantity consuming mixture - requiring ounces to pounds to make.

For this to happen in michigan, I think we need to have more outdoor grows. Outdoor grows can meet the demand for RSO manufacture.

 

It can be accomplished indoors effectively. Actually, that is the only way I would do it. The quality difference can be night and day between outdoor and indoor grown mj.

 

I am willing to take on another cancer patient, free of charge, supplying RSO (yes I said RSO, hash oil is different). There are all kinds of CG's bragging. It is time to step up to the plate and bat. That is why I mentioned contest, to help motivate others, in addition to some kind of award. Each party must follow through to the end. I know 3MA can help make it happen.

 

Is it all that difficult to put up a special section relative to terminal illnesses? Have the people make the decisions on rules and regulations, this could be done via a public poll. If anybody participated, it would all be journaled and documented here on the site. Even if it was just patients journaling their illness and how mj has helped, even without the free RSO. I am supplying 3 out of my 4 patients at no cost to them and still helping my past cancer patient. (No I am not independently wealthy, I only care). I am willing to go through with it. Anyone else willing to give it a go?

 

As for the fact that some patients still will not have the option to grow for themselves. Possibly while they are receiving their free CG treatment. They can have a relative, friend, or spouse start growing for them. Digital, after going through the RSO process, and after becoming cancer free, RSO is the most efficient way to consume cannabis. At that point, it would be easier to supply themselves with RSO than with buds, I am positive. One ounce of my buds converted in to 4-5 grams of RSO as maintenance doses, should last a patient 1 - 2 months. To me that is very efficient and easy to achieve. The hard part is the first 4-5 months of treatment of up to 1 gram of RSO per day depending on the quality.

[The Digital Nomad]

If you have the process down to produce 4-5 grams from 1 ounce that does sound good, and yes - i agree, i would regard indoor grown to be top notch.

If the patient only uses 1 ounce every 30 to 60 days, that is ideal. the problem I guess the dose might be variable between patients.

 

You also mention the high doses needed to get to a therapeutic level - what I call blood/plasma level of the drug. You are talking about 1 ounce (converted to 4-5 grams of RSO) every week ; ) ouchee!

 

What if the person gets a jump on the blood/plasma level by eating and smoking marijuana?

[The Digital Nomad]

And not sure if we call RSO hash oil. There are so many ways to produce hash oil, but I guess only one "rick simpson" recipe?

 

I make my hash oil via butane extraction, using the trim leftover I can run a couple of tubes, 6 cans of butane for about 3 grams of tan oil. One thing that is discussed here - is this is a cold method of extracting THC from the plant material. This can have an effect on its chemical properties. The RSO uses heat to extract the drugs from plant material. Cannabutter is another example. Some might believe that heating methods extract more CBD/CBNs than the cold methods - as heating can draw out other stuff in the plant material - chlorophyll for one. The cold method is more of a external wash, it dissolves the oils (leaving the empty trichromes!) and evaporates in a dish to leave the oil behind.

I heat the dish in a bath of hot water a few times to about 110 degrees - this ensures I bubble off the butane which can be trapped in the oil, and makes the BHO turn in to flakes (easier to handle than wax or oil). The BHO is very energetic and psychoactive.

The RSO, I would assume would be more internal, less heady - like medibles?

[phaquetoo]

And not sure if we call RSO hash oil. There are so many ways to produce hash oil, but I guess only one "rick simpson" recipe?

 

I make my hash oil via butane extraction, using the trim leftover I can run a couple of tubes, 6 cans of butane for about 3 grams of tan oil. One thing that is discussed here - is this is a cold method of extracting THC from the plant material. This can have an effect on its chemical properties. The RSO uses heat to extract the drugs from plant material. Cannabutter is another example. Some might believe that heating methods extract more CBD/CBNs than the cold methods - as heating can draw out other stuff in the plant material - chlorophyll for one. The cold method is more of a external wash, it dissolves the oils (leaving the empty trichromes!) and evaporates in a dish to leave the oil behind.

I heat the dish in a bath of hot water a few times to about 110 degrees - this ensures I bubble off the butane which can be trapped in the oil, and makes the BHO turn in to flakes (easier to handle than wax or oil). The BHO is very energetic and psychoactive.

The RSO, I would assume would be more internal, less heady - like medibles?

 

latley I been letting the butane evape on its own, I used to put water in an electric fry pan and heat it down that way till I can get more pliable, than I put it in the jar i use, and if it isnt pliable or edible, I use one of them electric cup warmers to bubble off the remaining butane, of course i let it sit long enough to not be flamable, and I heat it down! if i dont put heat to it, its all flaky and not realy useable for edibles or capsules, I put bho/honey oil in a bowl with a lil mm and it can last me upto a week, just a lil bowl, that hash oil makes anything potent and lasts me for a long time, I find with bho, I get the same strength every time, I just get less or more depending on the potency of the starting material!

 

Im so thinking of juicing from veg to see how that may work on my folks, im sure i could get mom to try, id have to trick my pops/old school retired cop, but he is coming around! id also like my pt to try it, she dont like to be medicated during the day while she is working! w/o the thc it may be a realy good thing for some of the people in my life!

 

Peace

Jim

 

Peace

Jim

[Celliach]

Yes, RSO is hash oil. It was called that for years and years before Rick Simpson made it and named it after himself. I was getting oil exactly the same from Jamaica in the 1970s

[GrowGoddess]

Yes, RSO is hash oil. It was called that for years and years before Rick Simpson made it and named it after himself. I was getting oil exactly the same from Jamaica in the 1970s

 

Hash oil in my opinion is a slang word from hippies. The actual appropriate name would of course be HEMP oil. Healers were producing hemp oil dating back to the 1800's and earlier.

 

If you want to get real technical about it, then you should start using native words to describe it. Personally, regarding cancer patients, not calling the oil exactly what it is confuses THEM more. That is how I reestablished the connection with my cancer patient, on a post here about RSO capsules, and he was confused, because of stuff not being properly named. I have been heavily researching for over a year and a half now. The way I see it, nothing compares to RSO or as you like to called it, HEMP oil, period. In regards to treating cancers.

 

I have nothing against other products than RSO. One of the reasons I am not too interested in BHO, or otherwise known as dabs or dabbing, is I recently read an article pointing out that unless you are using pure butane, which is not available at the local party store, you could also be putting a lot of bad stuff in your end product The proper butane to use is very expensive and you have to purchase it in large quantities. The butane we get at the local party store is full of toxins and poison.

 

 

"Gaseous Anomolies

The most common impurities usually arise from "dirty" butane. The fuel sold for use in lighters in only about 80% butane and contains chemicals that smell (such as thiols - also know as mercaptans - or sulfur dioxide), which are added so that leaks can be detected. Since these chemicals will taint the taste and purity of your extract and can be harmful if ingested, this kind of butane should never be used. Only butane that's quadruple-refined or better is suitable for use - and even then, you can't always be sure what you're getting, since there's no across-the-board standards for purity.

 

"There are all these companies coming out of Korea now and other places that are saying [their butane is] 'five times refined,' 'three times refined' - but who really knows what type of refinery process they're using?" warns Nikka T. "Their 'five times refined' may not be as clean as, say, Colibris 'three times refined.'"

 

So how can BHO makers know which products are best to use? According to de Sailles, that testing has already been done. "The knowledge base that's online right now is extensive," he says. "People have tested every single one, and so far Vector and Colibri are the two choice brands for making BHO. I personally use Vector 5x, but I'm in the process of switching over to pure n-butane."

 

Pure n-butane (C4H10) is medical or laboratory-grade butane, which is available at 99.9 percent purity. It evaporates completely at a low temperature (-0.5C), so the chances of residue are slim, and such residue would be pretty much tasteless and harmless. But there's a downside: Pure n-butane is sold only in large quantities (five to 485-lb. cylinders) by gas-supply companies and is fairly expensive. Considering that you only need around eight ounces of butane for each ounce of cannabis, this isn't an option most would-be blasters would opt for. (black)"

 

Works Cited

Black, Bobby. "To Dab or Not to Dab?" High Times October 2012: 76.

 

(Nikka T. owner and operator of Colorado's Essential Extracts)

(de Sailles, Daniel "Big D" de Sailles, a partner at Top Shelf Extracts)

 

There is a lot of good information in this article, worth the read. When BHO is properly extracted it can also produce 4-5 grams per ounce of mj. With dirty butane, your extraction would be much less. It would be similar to using only 80 proof vodka using the Rick Simpson method. In other words, you would be wasting bud and also contaminating it. There really is no easy cheap way to make any extract. I believe the article mentions that dabbing began in 2000 in California.

 

 

Celliach, this is exactly why every product should be called exactly by it's name. If I were a patient and someone told me it is hash oil, I would go without. I want to know what I am putting into my body. My guess is that maybe you have not had quality RSO? It is like magic. One little tiny rice size dose, 12 hours later, one can still feel the effects. It is pretty strange waking up feeling stoned from the day before. I wish I knew why it is so time released in the body. I think this has a lot to do with its curing abilities. To where your body is under the influence of THC 24/7 at an extreme level.

 

I have been around in the 70's too. The one book was printed before HPS was even used. I will even throw in a bonus (just smoked some Qush, kind of buzzing now). The third picture is of my favorite roach clips, made by Gerber. You can either get the 400 or 600 series, small or large. What makes these so unique compared to others is how I can put small hair bands on the lock release and now they are now sporting a spring return. Holds the roaches on there great, and they even come with fiskar scissors. In front of my fav roach clips is my new Metro Pipe, pretty cool contraption.

 

 

 

Digital: You are right, I am not at all claiming it to be easy to treat someone with RSO for the first 4 to 5 months. That is the biggest challenge. Vaping the oil while also ingesting it would be very beneficial to someone with lung cancer. Otherwise, someone smoking joints and ingesting the oil, well it may cause them to not take an oil dose of the correct amount. So, in my opinion, smoking and taking oil may less beneficial. Most people, for the first six weeks, taking the rice size doses three times per day, don't want anymore THC. It can be just as difficult for them to consume that as it can be difficult for the grower to produce it. If I am not mistaken, the statistics was around 90% of the patients can't handle the effects of RSO and stop taking it within the first 48 hours. I fully understand why. There are others that can handle it just fine. A lot depends on the strains used and the final quality of the oil produced. There are just so many variables, and we just don't know them all.

 

Please be careful with the butane you use and please share the information with fellow Dabbers.

 

Note: I only have internet access after 7 pm and on weekends. Had to cut some costs.

 

Not trying to stir the pot here, just want to help patients is all.

[SFC]

You can find heavily refined butane at cigar shops and many tobacco stores. Trust me, the people that are experienced with BHO know exactly what they are doing.

[GrowGoddess]

You can find heavily refined butane at cigar shops and many tobacco stores. Trust me, the people that are experienced with BHO know exactly what they are doing.

 

The key here is, the people who know what they are doing. Spread the word. I have yet to hear of anybody here in MI using the proper butane. That is where I would have gone to look is at a reputable cigar shop or online.

[GrowGoddess]

RSO is very popular all around. Not so much here, but nearly everywhere else I look, it is spreading like wildfire, because it does work.

 

It is a long video, but worth the watch. An interview of Rick Simpson by people from Michigan, including my cancer patient.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oA0z0qfMZ_Q&feature=plcp

[Sledge]

You can find heavily refined butane at cigar shops and many tobacco stores. Trust me, the people that are experienced with BHO know exactly what they are doing.

 

http://www.amazon.com/Power-Butane-Super-Refined-Fuel/dp/B0055OMEZU/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1348108856&sr=8-5&keywords=refined+butane

[+Malamute]

Alcohol extraction leaves more residues than butane. NAPTHA leaves less residue than both of those.

 

Its just hash oil. Both methods spoke of are inferior.

 

Hemp oil is made out of pure hemp. Almost zero THC involved. Mostly CBD. Cannabis indica sp.

 

Almost all "oil" i see that is called RSO is made out of cannabis sativa sp. or a cross breed.

 

In general terms, does it cause euphoria? it is hash oil. No euphoria from internal ingestion? Hemp oil.

 

Asking the specific extraction method is worth asking to judge how much residue is left in the oil.

 

Rick simpsons method is kinda the lowest method of extraction. I would personally decline it.

Edited September 20, 2012 by Malamute

[SFC]

All you have to do to test your butane is squirt a little spot on a mirror. If it leaves residue it is dirty and no good. If it leaves basically nothing you are good. There are a ton of good threads on it all over the web. Get an O'kief tube and you are golden. I like to look for at least 5x refined butane but 3x is likely to be ok too. Just stay away from the cheap stuff like Sterno. The cigar shops are the best bet because they don't use cheap butane in the little torch lighters, it will gum them up.

[cristinew]

Alcohol and water can both evaporate completely, leaving no residue, if there are no solids dissolved in them.

[Celliach]

I have never evaporated alcohol without some residue left over. I've seen people use Everclear and it leaves a sugary residue. I would NOT recommend smoking it, but oral ingestion should be fine.

[GrowGoddess]

Mal, Celliach:

 

Something just does not smell right.

1. In my opinion you are both posting up some false information.

2. Neither of you have provided any information relative to helping patients. It really seems more destructive to others than anything.

 

Why?

 

3. I wonder, have each of you sold your soles to the devil? Just asking....

 

Here is just a little blast from the past:

 

Celliach

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Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:17 am

Re: Gas chromatography–mass spectrometry Testing

Hey Northern Labs,

Do you remember the private conversation we had over the accusracy of your equipment last year? If you recall I told you how malamute and I had the idea to go into this business right when they passed the law. Honestly, if we had gone ahead, we would have been the first MMJ testers in the state....by far. As I related to you at the time, I have a brother-in-law that hs a Ph.D. in chemical engineering. He actually is one of the guys that makes testing equipment. Mal and I consulted with him as he's pro-marijuana to look into the feasibility of setting up in business. After several conversations, and a little self-research, we abandoned the idea as we couldn't possibly afford equipment that was accurate enough. The equipment we could afford was was wildly innaccurate and couldn't be relied upon. That's the same equipment you are using now. We decided not to start a business because all we would really be doing is bullshitting people. After I told you that you admitted to me that your equipment was inaccurate but it could at least determine if there were contaminates in the MMJ.

 

Do you remember that?

 

Northern Lab

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Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:28 am

Re: Gas chromatography–mass spectrometry Testing

 

 

 

Quote:

Celliach wrote:

It's not what I think it's what I know and it's what you know too.

Here's a PM from NorthernLabs to me when I was discussing the accuracy of his equipment:

 

Quote:

Those were my concerns as well. There's a reason Steep Hill Labs in CA charge $100 for a cannabinoid profile, it's because they have about $250k in equipment to pay for.

 

The cannabinoid analysis, I agree, is largely a novelty at this point. That's why I try to put more emphasis on the THC/CBD ratio rather than the raw numbers. The amount of variability within a plant, the variability of sampling methods, and the inherent variation in the equipment make nailing down a hard number on and entire crop very tough. One thing that you can reliably determine is the ratio, and that's why I try to steer people toward that.

 

Testing for purity, however is not so much a novelty, and we are able to detect pesticides with much greater accuracy than cannabinoids. Same goes for microbiological contaminants. That's where I see testing labs becoming an integral part of the medical cannabis community. Safety screenings will eventually take precedence over potency analysis.

 

Sent: Sun Oct 02, 2011 11:19 amView message | Post a reply

 

 

Celliach

Message subject: My Bro-in-lawFolder: Sent messages

He had problems with the accuracy of the equipment that was affordable. For full nuclear scanning capabilities, as you know, the cost is at minimum $100,000. He felt the cheaper machines, like you're using were only accurate to plus or minus 15% at best. As a novelty, it was fine, but not accurate enough for good standards, as far as he was concerned. He was worried that if we got the loans for the better equipment, we'd never make the money back. The idea went into the trashcan after about 2-3 weeks of discussion.

 

Sent: Sun Oct 02, 2011 11:03 amView message

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You don't need 'full nuclear scanning' capabilities to get a good picture of what's in your meds.

I still think potency testing is largely a novelty, and if it weren't for the capabilities to spot CBD-rich material, I wouldn't give it much credence, even from Steep Hill with all their equipment.

There is much more where that came from, that is just a small portion.

 

Through my eyes, this does not look good from either one of you. I think I see an evil agenda brewing here. Like cornering the market and forcing patients and caregivers to pay you for services. I can't help but to wonder.

 

Let's connect the dots. 3MA has an opening (opportunity) for a moderator, Celliach jumps on it. Then Celliach puts up a deceptive thread about helping patients when the ultimate goal was to network/connect compassion clubs together.

 

Mal: You are with CPU and are active in the political community. Have you also come across opportunities?

 

These are not direct accusations, it all just does not smell right. I have become very suspicious, especially when I look back on only about 9 months ago when each of you were poo pooing ideas such as networking clubs and testing medicine.

 

When I add it all up, I just simply don't see how I could ever put my trust in either of you. I am about helping patients, not about being part of a scheme.

 

By the way, anyone out there with prostate cancer, under 60? The younger the better. Want the best oil in this state to treat your illness? Are you of limited income and find it difficult to afford mj? Is it possible that you would be able to grow for yourself in the future? Are you willing to journal the results on this site or another site? Are you a registered MMMP patient with a card?

 

Will 3MA help me in communicating with this unknown patient? My oil is the best. Ask Joe Crowe (StoneCrowe316). You know why mine is the best?

Because my oil is Holy Hemp Oil, produced on sacred land, blessed by God. Free, Free, Free, No Charge, No Charge. I wish to be like my Lord and savior Jesus Christ. I wish to serve my God in Heaven.

 

If you meet the above requirements, please PM me.

 

I am asking 3MA for help in interviewing potential patients. I am a small woman and it makes me very nervous meeting people through the internet in person alone.

 

 

People helping people...

[GrowGoddess]

Alcohol and water can both evaporate completely, leaving no residue, if there are no solids dissolved in them.

 

Yes you are correct, at least when it comes to the 99% iso. I saw a large debate of the subject at another mj site. The debate ended and everyone agreed that the 99% iso leaves zero residue after a reputable scientific study was posted in regards to the subject.

 

RSO is the way to go.

 

[cristinew]

RSO=hash oil. Let's start calling it what it is and stop confusing everyone.

 

 

NO RSO is decarbolised ready to eat, hash oil is not, www.iso2-7.com the best way to decarb is in an enclosed environment to save on the temponoids and flavorids,,and other cannabinoids witch are very volatile when heating and Rick Simpson does lose good medicine into the air,, the way he does it,,