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Slew Of Marijuana Bills On Mi Senate Calendar 8/15/12


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Sen Jones had been asked by the house to go along with the bills they worked on for months. Cavanagh and Horn met with EVERYONE, they did the workgroups and spent the time crafting bills that they believed were a happy medium. Jones violated that deal. We are going over the senatorial amendments with a fine tooth comb to decide the best course. I think first and foremost turning the dems that voted yes and the republicans that committed to vote no if Jones got stupid to stick to their word is job#1. Job#2 is to prepare language revisions for the house members in the event the bills do not pass the house floor again and go back to committee. Put pressure on your individual reps by personal contact!!!! If you stay silent or think by showing up with a couple hundred people screaming free the weed, you are wasting your time.

 

As far as protests go, knock yourself out. They work like a charm.....

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Protests don't work? What happened in the Middle East, then? Basically what you're saying is that we should just beg these corporate whores for our rights, and then go back home and sit quietly to await their decision... not very inspiring... and sure didn't work with the last couple House votes. Now if you want to talk about the way protests should be held, sure, that's a good place to begin - but to write them off as worthless is to effect a surrender.

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So the Felonious Child Molester get a free pass? what about the Rapist and Thieves. Nothing bad about those Felons that were convicted of White Collar Crimes. you know those crimes in positions of Authority or Control that take advantage of those they are associated with or work underneath in some level/manor? A large Majority of While Collar Crimes most commonly are the result of a desire for personal Gain at the expense of many others.

 

But the guy that was caught selling pot 15 yrs ago is to be fully shunned? that felon is completely un trustworthy.

 

how about vehicular manslaughter felony due to lets say, falling asleep at the wheel? In most cases non a violent criminal, but a violent felony non the less?

 

What about Did the Crime, Did the Time and paid the debt to Society?

 

Where exactly should these lines be drawn?

That is the complexity of this situation.... should it be for all? just the Violent ones?

would not the easier question be, what Felonies are NOT Violent in nature? then allow only those to be a caregiver.

Perhaps a waiver any Patient can sign, that attests to their non concern of possible CG's former Felony conviction/s?

 

 

These are all valid questions and every one of them effect this section of the MMM Act, and the patients on a large scale.

I think the goal was to Protect the Patient, not to put them in harms way...

 

I think many can agree a particular range of felonies should probably be excised from the ability to be a Care GIver.

 

Take Child Molestation Felonies. Who has a problem NOT allowing a convicted Child Molester be a CG?

What of Rape? including Statutory Rape? a fair number of SR Felonies were between the 18/20 yr old boyfriend, and the 16/17 yr old girlfriend.

Can anyone argue Why a Person Convicted of White Collar Crimes may not be a trustworthy person, or a person that was convicted of B&Es and Theft?

 

this is a twisted road on this felon issue. This WILL be one of the Damned if you do, and Damned if you don't areas.

 

 

In fact this felony CG issue, Is honestly the Biggest, if not the only Actual Grey Area where both sides can agree to see some need for clarification.

 

but alas, the bottom line is Patient Safety here, that is what the MMM Act is for, the Patients and their Safety.

 

so in reality, the real question would then fall down to who would be hurt the most here?

 

 

So perhaps the most Logical Solution would be to leave the law as it is. Or to shut down all felonies, violent and non? perhaps allow a Waiver for the Pt to sign and submit with the CG Assertion. yes this area is truly the red herring in the act...

 

If a Patient signs a waiver, then I honestly do not see an issue so long as the Patient is aware of the issue, though perhaps the waiver should be issued after the CG paperwork has been submitted, and Should the named CG have a Felony, a waiver sent to the Patient to sign at that point..

That would ensure the Patient is Aware of the Felony, only when it is absolutely essential to be sure said Pt is fully aware of felony, and is ok with it and signs the waiver. Regardless of the Felony..

 

This situation protects the patient first and foremost. and does not expose a felons past without due regard.. This type of waiver would basically ensure the Patient is aware of a possible negative past of a CG< but ONLY at the last point prior to authorizing the CG Card for Said Patient... If Constructed in such a way, the State can be assured the Patient is not unwhittingly putting themselves, or any family member at undue risk... I would also think it would basically compel all potential Care Givers, to be open about any prior felonies with perspective patients. I doubt any of them would think they can pull a fast one on a potential future victim, not knowing the PT will have to sign a waiver to allow said felon to become a CG.

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to shine the light on the larger picture.

 

Not in nearly 80 plus years, has an election cycle been SO Polarized. Its no just the Demoncrats against the Repuklican'ts, but is Group on Group, on nearly every level, from here to the Whitehouse this cycle.

 

Congress has a loving 14% approval rating. We have a Socialist in the WH currently, and a Fascist literally drooling at the mouth to get the WH so bad, he is committing crimes in his own Party to win the Nomination, which he Still hasn't Done, two weeks prior to the RNC in Daytona in 2 weeks.

 

The Federal and State GOP candidates have culled a large majority of their own constituents into the "WTF are they doing" camp....

 

Here in Mi, the State GOP, has pissed off ofcourse 100% of the MMJ Community, the Teachers, the Unions, the Fire Departments, the Postal workers, not to mention 30ish percent of small business owners, as well as 70% of the Michigan Citizens (Mi is long a Democratic state, but is filled mostly with Independent voters. And then their is the little issue with the GOP and Seniors. IE, the Largest voting block in the state.

 

The Independents are pretty much Ron Paul Supporters, so you can see how well the Mi GOP is measuring up this election cycle, Which is quite high on the schuittehead list.

 

After the Clusterfuck that has been the Michigan GOP Ran legislation since they were given a chance in 2010, I think its a Safe bet to say, Michigan Shall again be filled with many more democratic seats.

 

And if Dr Paul comes out of Daytona with the RNC Nomination, well....... its just going to START to get interesting on the National Level, but the Mi GOP have committed political Suicide over the last 2 yrs.

 

Come November, the Voters wont forget that fact...

 

So that puts us in a very vicarious position. The Mi GOP know their clock is now ticking and it's T minus 2 minutes and counting.

 

Like a Rabid Rat backed into the corner, knowing it is done for, the GOP is gonna strike out with all it can.... Wont matter in the end cuz come November 8th the writing will literally be on the wall.

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Tim, can you really compare the Arab spring to a mmj protest? That is really a stretch

The reality is that no protest, thus far, has garnered enough of a head count to be more than a nuisance on the lawn. The Arab spring involved overwhelming masses of people that were held down by ONE person for decades. Yes, a protest will work if you can get 100,000 people on the lawn just as in Egypt, et al. The reality is you aren't going to get that. Is it possible? Maybe with the right kind of planning that would require huge money and complex logisitcs. Isn't going to be something you can put together in a month or 2. There just isn't the same passion in the GENERAL population that would be necessary to draw people away from work and to drive for 90 minutes, etc.

 

As SFC says, there is no comparison. People protested in Egypt for a RIGHT TO VOTE as well as many many other basic rights. That is what drew the throngs.

 

With that said, organize a protest if you think it will work. Do what needs to be done to get REAL masses out there. Can it be done? Who knows? Will the message be clear? Likely not. The bid for legalization fell flat but those people are planning on making another run at it. That means they will be there in force just like that springtime protest where the vast majority of signs held up looked like the crowd was after legalization.

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Zapatosunidos and All, Yep We need to get busy again and call, visit and WRITE PAPER LETTERS if only for the reason it takes and requires (usually) a response from their Office, so get on them people. A state this size should have 1000s of people opposing these changes as they are a whittling away at the SUBSTANTIVE rights the Initative gives us. We know they could care less about what the VOTERS APPROVED and I would couch any arguments that way (if you voted in someone to office, do you want them to be able to reverse your vote if the persons wins?). It is that serious.

 

Jones is a Cop, always will be a Cop and wants his brethren to be able to arrest you when the people of the State took away that right if your have a Drs. Approval and Card. We cannot let Jones succeed.

 

So lets get busy people -- WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER as the Changes to the Initative are UNACCEPTABLE in total. They all must be oppposed.

 

MPP is good at organizing and opposing the idiots --- so lets work with them. Dan Riggle is on the case and is always amazed and the LACK OF PEOPLE OPPOSING THESE CHANGES. Most people simply do not know as life is so hecktic, so tell them. Tell everyone. We must oppose those that will be arm twisted into voting for these changes.... AND support those who oppose them -- it is election season.

 

Print out your local SENATORS info, office address, numbers and pass them out the everyone you know.

 

Myself, I make one hour a day to call, write and email people that I know will do something, as it takes ACTION to oppose and defeat these bills. Ask everyone to do the same as an Hour is not to hard to come up with!

 

Peace,

Murph_

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Sorry, I need to write more clearly. I was responding to the broad generalization that protests are useless and never accomplish anything. I did not mean to suggest MMJ protests would evolve into a revolution with millions pouring into the streets. MMJ protests should be seen as PR events, not opportunities for insurrection. Anyone who thinks it's the latter is crazy and will hurt the movement by making us look like lunatics.

 

I really liked what Abe suggested - the protests don't have to be physically in the capitol, "faces of mmj" online would be very effective, if it reached a broad enough audience... the key is just getting the message across to the public that there are genuinely sick people who Lansing going to screw over.

 

I just don't like the idea of trusting the legislators to do the right thing without shining light on their actions. There's a few good guys out there, but most of them hate MMJ and only grudgingly accept it, fearing for their careers... talking with the good guys who are simply confused as to what we want would be very helpful, but with the bad guys (who are unfortunately the majority) the only way we can shift their position is to, again, make them fear for their jobs. MMJ isn't as big of an issue to them as slashing wages and benefits so that their corporate buddies can enjoy fat checks while the people starve and die from preventible disease. It's unlikely they're willing to sacrifice their careers for it.

 

I worry that a culture of naivete has crept our community, now that we're legal - it's easy to forget how hostile the government is to our cause, and to us as people. Most of them think most of us should be treated like we're citizens of North Korea, working for slave wages in high security prisons. Talking to them about doing the right thing is pointless, as they don't care about that at all. They are professional liars, deceivers, and whores, and cannot be trusted at all... again there are exceptions, but sadly they are few. Even the "liberal" Jennifer Granholm opposed our medical marijuana law. It's not a matter of stupidity. It IS a "conspiracy." They benefit from screwing us. The police need the ability to rob us of everything we worked for in our entire lives to fund their departments. There are very nasty people out there and they tend to concentrate wherever power is found.

 

We don't have a lot of people and we don't have a lot of resources. We need to leverage what we have as best as we can, and that requires using our energy to court the public. Their wrath is what the politicians fear... not ours. We are simply too few.

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Do not underestimate the value of one on one facetime with your reps. It is our best weapon bar none. The primaries also showed that pissing off MMJ supporters can be a critical mistake, Kurt Damrow anyone? I think we have had a bumpy ride since the law passed and over the last year but my friends we are slowly but surely gaining ground.

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Do not underestimate the value of one on one facetime with your reps. It is our best weapon bar none. The primaries also showed that pissing off MMJ supporters can be a critical mistake, Kurt Damrow anyone? I think we have had a bumpy ride since the law passed and over the last year but my friends we are slowly but surely gaining ground.

 

Great idea sfc, lets see 3hrs one way, 15 - 20 gallons premium gas, what da ya think y'll get with him/her 5 min, maybe 10, 15 ? Lets see 8 hrs @$20/hr 20 gals @4.79 [@ the pump8/15 ] = $95 gas $160 your time = $255 + ???? (flowers, chocolates, cannabis, " the brown envelope [min$500]" I mean if you want to get your point across. Yeah write thats the idea, if you can afford it !

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Do not underestimate the value of one on one facetime with your reps. It is our best weapon bar none. The primaries also showed that pissing off MMJ supporters can be a critical mistake, Kurt Damrow anyone? I think we have had a bumpy ride since the law passed and over the last year but my friends we are slowly but surely gaining ground.

 

Apology Accepted.

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None was offered. You still edited your post. I know what I read.

 

Solar: You do not have to go to Lansing. All of the reps have in district meetings, usually at a library or public place. Also utilize social media, Facebook, twitter to privately message them. Most of them handle their own and are not done by staffers. Do not blast them openly on there pages, private message.

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Do not underestimate the value of one on one facetime with your reps. It is our best weapon bar none. The primaries also showed that pissing off MMJ supporters can be a critical mistake, Kurt Damrow anyone? I think we have had a bumpy ride since the law passed and over the last year but my friends we are slowly but surely gaining ground.

what is your opinion as to where the law would be without your cigar and beer sessions?

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Good for you, keep the delusion going....

 

yes delusion... My Edit you so love to quote was done with in 4 minutes or so of the my original post. had to fix typos, but hey

 

if you read through my post at 2am and was able to read it before the edit 5 minutes later. Well.

 

Zap corrected you once already. So.... apology accepted, as i Stated above...

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Alexander Graham Bell invented the phone, and the reps have been in district all summer. That is close to where you live. Repetition and relationship are key. You have to help them understand and adopt the issue.

 

Jeff Pulmer, (AGBs modern day equivalent?) created Vonage 2001. How about Niklas Zennström and Janus Friis who created Skype in 2003.

 

A little clarification on your claim that AGB " invented " the telephone. His significance was that he used the work of several other inventors of the time including:

 

Innocenzo Manzetti, Antonio Meucci, Johann Philipp Reis, Elisha Gray and Thomas Edison, among others, have all been credited with pioneering work on the telephone. An undisputed fact is that Alexander Graham Bell was

the first to be awarded a patent for the electric telephone by the United States Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO) in March 1876.That first patent by Bell was the master patent of the telephone, from which other patents for electric telephone devices and features flowed.

 

Aren't they in Lansing currently ?

 

wiki/Telephone

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Michael, I really don't know. I think the house bills would have been worse, I doubt they would have been better. That is my point tho man, I outed myself as a CG to a state rep with a few months of our law passing. You think I wasn't a bit freaked out? But I stuck with it and I think it helped a lot.

 

Tim,don't you have somewhere else to troll? Have you not been kicked in the balls enough here? I am trying to feel pity for you but you really make it difficult.

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SFC don't you have somewhere else to troll? Yes you Do, YOU OWN Website. Oh ya, i forgot it is dead and no one posts over there.

 

Have you not been Proven Wrong with your idiocracy enough here? i feel no pity for you, I dont pity apathy such as yours. I do feel sorry for you though.

Sad to see a human with such a closed mind.

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