Slew Of Marijuana Bills On Mi Senate Calendar 8/15/12

[SFC]

I am laughing my tail off at you Timmah! Life is good for me..

[CaveatLector]

I think that protest is highly effective and an essential part of activism.

Guess i'm old fashioned.

I think people, in general, agree with you. But the problem is message. The protest last spring came off as a legalization protest not a protest in support of mm. If you could control the message better, and assure no negative antics, then I think people would be on board. But the fact is that a lot of the previous protests have probably done harm to this movement. They have been hijacked by repealtoday. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against repealtoday it is just that the mixed message is a problem. The capitol grounds are a free forum. You can't stop people from going and holding up a free the weed sign. On top of that the protest management didn't do well enough in controlling the message from the mm speakers. Why is it one of the main things I remember from one of the past protests was something about $5 blowjobs....?

[Timmahh]

one sighted thinking does not fix anything.

[cristinew]

SFC

 

Great idea sfc, lets see 3hrs one way, 15 - 20 gallons premium gas, what da ya think y'll get with him/her 5 min, maybe 10, 15 ? Lets see 8 hrs @$20/hr 20 gals @4.79 [@ the pump8/15 ] = $95 gas $160 your time = $255 + ???? (flowers, chocolates, cannabis, " the brown envelope [min$500]" I mean if you want to get your point across. Yeah write thats the idea, if you can afford it !

 

I guess you cannot make it to Lansing to protest, your best bet is contacting your rep when he is in your area..

[SFC]

Where are you buying gas Sola, Hawaii? Either way, you can either make contact or complain about what everyone else is or is not doing.

[solabeirtan]

Where are you buying gas Sola, Hawaii? Either way, you can either make contact or complain about what everyone else is or is not doing.

I forget I was headin down 75 to deTroit, I confess I only got $20 there. Good constructive advice, thanks. I been busy, an you know I really dont have the time for all this deviciveness. Whatch you doing, anyway, besides doggin people out ? n Peein in the wind.

[Fat Freddy]

Now where does this leave us? Are the bills law now or what?? More importantly what can we do if they are??

Can we challenge these changes in the Sct through the intent of the people Vs the legislative intent?

Clearly we must do something to stop these bills from becoming law or there is going to be a field day for leo.

And a lot of innocent people facing destructive procedures designed to take us back to the days of prohibition and enslavement to the big pharm companies.

Enough of the flaming each other, that's why I have been silent for the past few months. It is time to get our shiz together plane and simple!!

[Timmahh]

Chad, do you Honestly think they ll listen to a doper for an education about pot? Really?

Seems that approach has been ongoing by more than one group over a year time, and the "Education" the legislators got was Stupendous... So much so, the Legislation felt the need to push back even harder...

 

It is an Election Year.

The only thing most of these imbeciles will Understand is If you Vote Yes on these Bills, YOU WILL be voted out in about 90 days....

 

That they will hear from us. anything else will just get lost between their Ear Lobe and the tympanic membrane.

Edited August 20, 2012 by Timmahh

[Fat Freddy]

Chad, do you Honestly think they ll listen to a doper for an education about pot? Really?

Seems that approach has been ongoing by more than one group over a year time, and the "Education" the legislators got was Stupendous... So much so, the Legislation felt the need to push back even harder...

 

It is an Election Year.

The only thing most of these imbeciles will Understand is If you Vote Yes on these Bills, YOU WILL be voted out in about 90 days....

 

That they will hear from us. anything else will just get lost between their Ear Lobe and the tympanic membrane.

 

So be it, may our united voices be heard across the land. Our mantra being WE WILL REMEMBER COME NOVEMBER!

[Timmahh]

That's not to say it's not worth the shot, but so far, the only thing they have seem to have heard was Bill Schuette up until the MSC spoke.

[CaveatLector]

 

 

It is an Election Year.

The only thing most of these imbeciles will Understand is If you Vote Yes on these Bills, YOU WILL be voted out in about 90 days....

 

That they will hear from us. anything else will just get lost between their Ear Lobe and the tympanic membrane.

Would be a good strategy if it were true. The state senate isn't up for election this year. Tiny little detail, I know....

[Timmahh]

but every Sherrif is, and every PA, many Judges, and A fair bit of the house, which has a fair amount of Dems already... Repubs sliced their own throats here in Michigan over the last 2 yrs trying to circumvent as much as they could, and they failed. Snyder knows they failed.

 

 

Anybody else think its an Interesting fact that Snyder had the MMMA Registration Money Recently and Very Quietly moved back to the Program, instead of being directed to the General Fund? though the program is still under L.A.R.A., which is also still an Illegal move per the MMM Act itself. We the People delegated the M.D.C.H. to handle the Program. Not L.A.R.A.

 

Snyder needed a 75% SM to make the move of the money, just as he needed it to make the move of the Program to L.A.R.A.

That is the Fact of the Matter. He Broke the law knowingly, and now that the MSC has upheld this Peoples Initiative, he is trying to back track and not detect any spotlights while doing it....

 

 

There is more going on with this issue than just Medical Cannabis....

Edited August 20, 2012 by Timmahh

[SFC]

Good point Tim, one of Jone's amendments in fact states that the MMJ money is to stay within the program. WTF kind of head fake is that? We would never have expected that and why would he do that? The R's in the house should be concerned but we are the smallest of the p'd off groups, retiree's and unions I think outnumber us. Time will tell I guess.

[+mayorherb]

It's a good idea, but I'm worried about the belief here that they actually are honest people trying to do the right thing. Most of them are not. They hate all of us, they want us in prison and our lives destroyed, they care little for anyone but themselves and those who donate to their campaigns. The overwhelming majority of them are more of a threat to our lives and our freedom than Bin Laden ever was. And of course, the level of corruption is unbelievable.

 

The only way to whip them into line is to create an uproar in the media over the issue - we need a protest. I haven't seen so much as a whimper in the press about this lately... politicians are like witches, they melt and burn in the sun, and right now it's a moonless night.

Theres a rally Sept19th,2012..at 12pm n Lansing..bring friends.

[Timmahh]

Good point Tim, one of Jone's amendments in fact states that the MMJ money is to stay within the program. WTF kind of head fake is that? We would never have expected that and why would he do that? The R's in the house should be concerned but we are the smallest of the p'd off groups, retiree's and unions I think outnumber us. Time will tell I guess.

 

here is why that is important.

 

the State passed the Law via the Citizens. This should be pretty much a non issue on many levels, but its not?

 

the Reason why its not a non issue is the key... the State Repubs have well overstepped their bound. SO much so, they have turned this non Issue, INTO a Major talking point, even though its still not a HUGE Issue, the spotlight put upon it by Bull Schuette has it lit up bright and sparkly in the night sky.....

 

They Made this non issue a HUGE Red Elephant stuck in a small white room.

 

 

ya, seems also quite interesting that Jones amendment came at the SAME TIME The money was put back.

 

We need a Civil Rights Specialist on those 2 issues. Those alone can put Snyders and Schuettes dinks in the wringers. I would say the Jase Bolger issue is the way in. Put Pressure on Jase, and make him whistleblow on Schuette and Snyder.....

Edited August 20, 2012 by Timmahh

[Fat Freddy]

You all want to know what I see coming?

Well for starters I see the approval of state regulated dispensaries, with no allowances for caregiver overages to be acquired by such. All meds will be house brands!

I see regulations created to impede caregivers and designed to herd patients into the corral of these state facilities. ( they might as well be called state facilities due to the fact that only the rich and buddies of our so called leadership will be able to afford to start a facility )

 

The end result of this is they will indirectly cause the closure of hundreds of indoor grow shops and the loss of thousands of home grown jobs.

Just take a look at the bridge to no where plan, it is a good example of fleece the people and feed the rich!!

Our state leadership does not care if we have jobs, homes or for that matter food to eat!!

Don't believe me take a look around, if you live in the city ask yourself how many house's are abandoned or up for sale in your neighborhood.

How many of your good neighbor's have lost their homes after loosing their jobs to china?? Slavery never died, it just under went a face lift!

 

Where does that leave us?? Up a creek without a a paddle. I am now planing to leave this corrupt state as fast as I can!!

Maybe I can find a state that appreciates my tax dollars and freedom has meaning.

[imiubu]

You all want to know what I see coming?

Well for starters I see the approval of state regulated dispensaries, with no allowances for caregiver overages to be acquired by such. All meds will be house brands!

I see regulations created to impede caregivers and designed to herd patients into the corral of these state facilities. ( they might as well be called state facilities due to the fact that only the rich and buddies of our so called leadership will be able to afford to start a facility )

 

The end result of this is they will indirectly cause the closure of hundreds of indoor grow shops and the loss of thousands of home grown jobs.

 

 

I am 100 % in agreement.

[SFC]

You make a point Tim and yes all of the people I have talked to that were running for just about every office have been facing the MMJ question. I am not convinced it is the issue that will run them out of office but people ARE asking about it and where they all stand.

[CaveatLector]

You make a point Tim and yes all of the people I have talked to that were running for just about every office have been facing the MMJ question. I am not convinced it is the issue that will run them out of office but people ARE asking about it and where they all stand.

Certainly it won't. Most people are not single-issue voters. These politicians hold views/opinions on a plethora of issues. People in Michigan are, by and large, more concerned about the economy than anything.

[Fat Freddy]

Certainly it won't. Most people are not single-issue voters. These politicians hold views/opinions on a plethora of issues. People in Michigan are, by and large, more concerned about the economy than anything.

 

Then we need to make it public that if the mmp is hog tied it will mean the loss of thousands of jobs.

At this juncture I say thousands of jobs because it is a cottage based industry. A caregiver can spend up wards of 3 grand just to get a decent grow going.

The state reaps the benefits of the taxes paid plus the income taxes the workers pay. I really think our state rep's miss this point.

As a disabled person I am forced by my fixed income to nickel an dime my purchases. Never the less I still have to pay a sales tax on what I buy.

So do we allow our reps to dismantle MMP or do we get the hard numbers and show them how much good we have done for Michigan economy?

[Fat Freddy]

Freddy, is your representative in the list of those to target for Operation 26% redux? What is your House district? The best way to let them know whatever you want them to know is to tell them directly.

 

After the repub's tossed some shiz into the game I am not sure. They rearranged the districts here so I am at a loss atm.

I live in wayne county down river area. i.e. Allen park, Melvindale, Ecorse and Lincoln Park.

[Timmahh]

Certainly it won't. Most people are not single-issue voters. These politicians hold views/opinions on a plethora of issues. People in Michigan are, by and large, more concerned about the economy than anything.

 

And you are correct. I am willing to bet 98% of the membership, both seen and unseen, have more than the MMJ issue going on with the MIGOP right now.

 

Union's are HUGE in Mi GeoPolitics, Detroit Set Down Strike.

Woman's Issues are HUGE in Mi GeoPolitics. It was the Mi Woman's movement that started our States push against the destruction that was Alcohol Prohibition. It started the National push

Voting RIghts are HUGE in Mi GeoPolitics (which Snyder Knows, which is why he DIDn't follow suit with the NAT GoP on the recent push to funk with the voting laws and the ID issue so long as your registered and are verified).

and lastly

Equal Rights has always been a Staple of MI GeoPolitical scene.

 

And for some reason, and many others, the Mi GOP has seemingly taken pleasure in pushing everyone of these issues over the last 2 years, Not just a couple but ALL of them........and not just here in Mi obviously.

 

if it was one group here or there, sure, good luck. but the fact of the matter is a Huge part of Mi is up on arms, put that group together, and you will see Change, By the People, For the People.

 

Remember the MSC in the May 31st ruling didn't uphold the MMMAct as much as they upheld the Mi Constitution and the People's Initiative. Anyone that says they (MSC) willingly endorsed the use of cannabis for any reason, medical or otherwise are fooling themselves. they Upheld the Peoples Initiative on May 31st. and THAT is why they Deserve Acclamations for that ruling....

 

And THAT my Friends is WHY they are fighting so HARD here. Look at the big picture..

 

Imagine what happens to your ability to bring redress against a oppressive government Via a People's Initiative, if they Overturn this act, and/or can just change the law to suit their will/purposes.

 

If they can make ANY type of concessional changes to the MMM Act, then they can do it to ANY Law We the People Pass.

If we lose the right to Be We the People, then what do we have left?

Edited August 20, 2012 by Timmahh

[CaveatLector]

Well, Tim, if we are to believe you then we've nothing to worry about. You claim Michigan is fed up and won't vote R or D. I suppose this will be the first time in history that the State House will be a majority independent. I can't wait. If we can put off the bills until post-election then we'll have ZERO worries. Whew!

[SFC]

In spite of all of the groups they have pi ss ed off I think it is safe to say somewhere around 50% agree with what they are doing, therein lies the problem. Truthfully, I don't disagree with everything they have done either. I think they over-reached on a lot of stuff but some of it needed to be done. I have two kids in public schools and it is safe to say we have a problem..

[Timmahh]

Well, Tim, if we are to believe you then we've nothing to worry about. You claim Michigan is fed up and won't vote R or D. I suppose this will be the first time in history that the State House will be a majority independent. I can't wait. If we can put off the bills until post-election then we'll have ZERO worries. Whew!

 

you can spin what I have stated all you want. Show me where I say there is Nothing to worry about. If there was nothing relevant that could be done, would this, or any site be here for discussing why its relevant?

 

Fact is the most relevant argument we have is HOW this law got passed. You can try your hardest to skew that Fact, but it is the elephant in the room.

 

SFC, I agree that some of the things done, did need to be done.. and yes, the school systems are a flipping mess. we have likely one of the best districts in the State, and yet my daughters teachers were daily pulling money out of their own pockets to be sure all the kids had what was needed. This is mostly done by the Government, whether intentionally or not.... Take our dear Mi Lottery. With all the money it Generates, the schools still dont get enough...

 

Much of what they wanted to accomplish was Total BS. What is worse, is the way in which they tried to do alot of it, which is illegally.

 

a large number of groups in the state are up in arms Against the Mi GOP and their path. There can be a lot of solidarity with these groups. Or they can all stand alone.....us along with them.

 

If you are unwilling to see the enemy of your enemy can be your ally, then you may need to rethink your position....

Edited August 21, 2012 by Timmahh