bestingr Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 It hasn't been a week yet, and this young one came like this... I was just going to let it go (which I'm guessing will be the solution) but I figured I'd ask.... If you can't tell from the image - she's kind of wrinkled or crinkled. She's still soft to the touch, it's not hard. - What caused this? She's not growing like the rest of them and she doesn't appear to be getting better... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LansingAreaCaregiver Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 Looks to me like some full strength nutes or pH adjuster might have accidentally sprayed/dripped onto her. If you are seeing this on lower leaves too, it could be overwatering or over feeding. She is definitely not healthy as is. If it is just the top set of leaves, is she big enough yet to top and remove the damaged growth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I wood Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 I have seen leaves like that on plants with soil mites, there were no other visible symptoms except low yields. The problem took a few months to develope enough for me to take notice. Looked the same as nutrient deficiency so first I fertilized and potted up with a small short term improvement. Later while watering in the dark with a green flashlight, I noticed the little b@stards crawling around the edges of the pots. After years of being bug free, these little monsters caught me by surprise. There was not any visible bugs or damage above the soil line, other than curling leaves. An azamax drench followed up with a spinosid spray/drench a few days later restored yeilds and health in about a month. I am now in the process of shutting down to do a little remodeling and sanitize just in case a few lived. (probably) It is very possible you got some free bugs with that one plant. Try a shining green light, at a low angle to the dirt, in the dark cycle. If you see what looks like sand moving around there is your answer. Then get busy, they will test your skills for sure. Hope I am wrong and good luck, R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaquetoo Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 It hasn't been a week yet, and this young one came like this... I was just going to let it go (which I'm guessing will be the solution) but I figured I'd ask.... If you can't tell from the image - she's kind of wrinkled or crinkled. She's still soft to the touch, it's not hard. - What caused this? She's not growing like the rest of them and she doesn't appear to be getting better... What grow medium are you using, if it is only a week old, you should be just putting water/no nutes yet, I know on pro mix it says to not use any nutes for at least a week after transplanting clone into it, or seed, cut em off and see what happens, use ph'd water only next time, see how she does, it does look like nutes got spilled on em or sprayed! (unfortunatly ive seen this lately lol) Peace Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I wood Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 My guess will be fungus gnats. My buddy just got hammered by them and the results were similar. Hang some fly strips in the room and see if you if you get any tennants. Medcnman. That is interesting.I lost a few well rooted clones, to larvae, at the same time I discovered the soil mites. At the time I thought fungus gnats were a harmless nuisance It seems their larvae will eat the stem that is below the dirt if soil conditions are too dry. It is my understanding they need something wet or rotting to eat. I tested this theory by letting two identical healthy clones root and then let one dry out almost completely. This experiment took place in my new quarantine room with a bag of dirt known to contain fungus gnats. Within two days the dry clone had fg larvae eating at the dirt line. Funny thing is that I used to let everything dry out to help get rid of the occasional fungus gnat, I unknowingly drove then to eat my clones. After many years I'm still learning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bestingr Posted October 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 What grow medium are you using, if it is only a week old, you should be just putting water/no nutes yet, I know on pro mix it says to not use any nutes for at least a week after transplanting clone into it, or seed, cut em off and see what happens, use ph'd water only next time, see how she does, it does look like nutes got spilled on em or sprayed! (unfortunatly ive seen this lately lol) Peace Jim I haven't given her any nutes yet. Just water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bestingr Posted October 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 Looks to me like some full strength nutes or pH adjuster might have accidentally sprayed/dripped onto her. If you are seeing this on lower leaves too, it could be overwatering or over feeding. She is definitely not healthy as is. If it is just the top set of leaves, is she big enough yet to top and remove the damaged growth? If I removed what was damaged I don't think there would be anything left... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bestingr Posted October 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 (edited) I have seen leaves like that on plants with soil mites, there were no other visible symptoms except low yields. The problem took a few months to develope enough for me to take notice. Looked the same as nutrient deficiency so first I fertilized and potted up with a small short term improvement. Later while watering in the dark with a green flashlight, I noticed the little b@stards crawling around the edges of the pots. After years of being bug free, these little monsters caught me by surprise. There was not any visible bugs or damage above the soil line, other than curling leaves. An azamax drench followed up with a spinosid spray/drench a few days later restored yeilds and health in about a month. I am now in the process of shutting down to do a little remodeling and sanitize just in case a few lived. (probably) It is very possible you got some free bugs with that one plant. Try a shining green light, at a low angle to the dirt, in the dark cycle. If you see what looks like sand moving around there is your answer. Then get busy, they will test your skills for sure. Hope I am wrong and good luck, R After further investigating today, I spotted little tiny mites on the TOP of the soil. Absolutely nothing on the plant itself but on the soil. Would this be the same thing or am I dealing with spider mites that felt like going on the soil? I'd also like to mention that I am using organic soil and I am reading that it's common to have organic soil bugs that are natural and ok. I'm really not finding any on the leaves nor am I seeing any sort of leaf damage (brown spotting) Edited October 2, 2012 by bestingr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chernobyl Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 (edited) After further investigating today, I spotted little tiny mites on the TOP of the soil. Absolutely nothing on the plant itself but on the soil. Would this be the same thing or am I dealing with spider mites that felt like going on the soil? I'd also like to mention that I am using organic soil and I am reading that it's common to have organic soil bugs that are natural and ok. I'm really not finding any on the leaves nor am I seeing any sort of leaf damage (brown spotting) those are not spider mites. they are fungus gnats. spider mites live under your leaves. fungus gnats live on the top layer of soil. i deal with them from time to time. you may be over watering your plants. that always attracts them. there is a lot of chemicals out there to combat them. personally i use captain jacks dead bug concentrate. i put about a teaspoon/gallon every watering. it's active ingrediant is spinosad. its a deadly bacteria for bugs but safe for humans. you can also just mix it with water and spray the top of your soil every day. this stuff is completely organic. the other thing i really like is dr doom bug bombs. you can bomb your room with them but what i do is just spray the top of my soil for every plant every couple weeks. just kinda of makes a mess in the dirt. the active ingredient is pyrethrins and piperonyl butoxide. it's not organic and you want to try you best not to breathe it. pyrethrins are commonly what they use on tobacco plants. the thing is, is they break down over time which means your crops are safe after time. i also only spray the dirt and not my leaves or buds. it's very effective and kills quick. the spinosad is more of a slowly kill over time thing. also the ingredients in dr doom are of low toxicity to mammals. search google for these main active ingredients and you can find many other products that probably work just as good. a lot of people always like azamax but i find it too pricey. i dont really care for neem oil myself because too much hurts your plants. i also hear malathion works good but never tried it myself. also those things you spotted may look like mites, but they are probably the gnats in the papue stage. the start out as eggs. then hatch into very tiny grub worms. then they get to the pupa stage and it seems like they hop around in the soil. next they emerge into adult fungus gnats. they all like to eat your nice healthy roots. it is not normal to have these bugs. you need to get rid of them or your crop will suffer. even when you get rid of bugs, you want to develop some kind of preventative maintenance schedule. otherwise you risk getting them. gnats often come in bad soils, transporting plants, plants from stores like walmart, or even just flying thru the screen in your windows. mites are kind of transported the same way except they can live virtually anywhere in your house and be dormant for a long time. i dont often deal with mites unless it's an outdoor crop(legal greenhouse). keep these rules in mind. never take plants in from other people. always use quality soil. never take in outdoor plants. start all your plants yourself from seed(you can order seeds from nirvana, attitude, or single seeds, remember some of these strains are just as good or even better than strains that always get passed around in town). run a preventative maintenance schedule like i mentioned above, if your in your house use caution opening windows. sounds like a lot but thats what it takes plus more if you want to really be bug free. i also forgot. put sticky traps everywhere. they are great for catching adults. its amazing how many eggs a single adult can lay. i put one on the top of my soil for every plant, several on the floor, several handing on the walls. you want to kill them all. if your stuff is crystally and sticky like mine they will get stuck in the crystals and die there. it's gross cause if you zoom in with a scope they actually tear off there body parts to try and escape the sticky crystals. Edited October 10, 2012 by chernobyl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chernobyl Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 leaves twisted like that could be several things. heat stress, ph problem, nutrients problem, damaged roots, and/or type of soil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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