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Children are regularly kidnapped and held for ransom in Michigan.

Who is doing this? The state itself.

How much is being asked for the return of the children?

 

1. renounce your medicine.

 

2. allow the state to take everything of value you have.

3. Plead guilty to a crime.

 

http://www.9and10news.com/story/19743587/several-arrests-made-in-month-long-investigation

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This just in: Our gubermint wants to turn our children into criminals! The gubermint fails to lower the driving age to 12 so all 12 year olds caught driving are CRIMINALS!

 

this just in.... unless your a cop or work for the government cave knows your guilty...it was in the paper...and they only lie if they know for a fact they can sell 10k extra copies...

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is it possible you could be more disrespectful....more rude....didnt your lil princess make you a site ?go some where be rude where others cant hear you please.

I find the sensationalistic manner in which this topic is presented is over-the-top. I find THAT rude. How about you explain to us how the title of this thread ISN'T peanut trying to be dramatic? I call a spade a spade. You don't like it then crawl back under your covers with the latest copy of Conspiracyweek.

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Cal the state taking children from their families is a real problem in Michigan and throughout the USA yes some do need to be taken but when you look at who is making money off this and some of the motives you just might be surprised .. Do you even realize how traumatic it is on a child to see their parents held at gunpoint getting screamed at and threatened and then the child is taken never knowing if they will see theri mother or father again, .You seem to turn a blind eye on some very serious Issues

 

yes the tittle of this thread is over the top... but please look into the eyes of the child as they are being terrorized

 

terror

 

Definition of TERROR

 

 

1

: a state of intense fear

2

a : one that inspires fear : scourge

 

b : a frightening aspect <the terrors of invasion>

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I find the sensationalistic manner in which this topic is presented is over-the-top. I find THAT rude. How about you explain to us how the title of this thread ISN'T peanut trying to be dramatic? I call a spade a spade. You don't like it then crawl back under your covers with the latest copy of Conspiracyweek.

 

Are you in favor of the state taking the children from law abiding patients and caregivers?

 

I find it detestable. Yet it is happening all the time.

 

How could you possibly not be sick when you hear about this?

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Are you in favor of the state taking the children from law abiding patients and caregivers?

 

I find it detestable. Yet it is happening all the time.

 

How could you possibly not be sick when you hear about this?

The way you choose to sensationalize reduces your credibility.

 

Curiously, are you aware of the facts in the case you linked? Do you know if they are accurate? I don't know. Do you have special knowledge?

Also, were kids taken away in the cases you linked? That isn't indicated anywhere. Neither the video nor the write-up tell us that kids were taken. Do you know something beyond what was reported in the link or are you just sensationalizing?

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Also, were kids taken away in the cases you linked? That isn't indicated anywhere. Neither the video nor the write-up tell us that kids were taken. Do you know something beyond what was reported in the link or are you just sensationalizing?

 

The investigation resulted in 20 counts of child abuse, numerous drug charges and more.

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The suspects face additional charges for children as young as two being present during the crimes.

 

You doubt the children were taken? Is the state innocent until proven guilty?

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You doubt the children were taken? Is the state innocent until proven guilty?

I wouldn't know if they were taken. What I do know is that they were probably charged with 4th degree child abuse at most. That's a misdemeanor and generally does NOT result in removal of the child. You are making the leap and assuming it was a felony child abuse charge AND that the kids were removed. That's my whole point. You take these shots in the dark to back up your sensationalized reporting. If I had to bet I would definitely give you 2 to 1 odds that they were NOT removed.
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I wouldn't know if they were taken. What I do know is that they were probably charged with 4th degree child abuse at most. That's a misdemeanor and generally does NOT result in removal of the child. You are making the leap and assuming it was a felony child abuse charge AND that the kids were removed. That's my whole point. You take these shots in the dark to back up your sensationalized reporting. If I had to bet I would definitely give you 2 to 1 odds that they were NOT removed.

 

Stop justifying these activities by the state.

 

Using their own children as leverage against patients and caregivers is monstrous. Pure evil. The resulting damage to the children is massive.

This boarders on human sacrifice. These tactics are pure torture.

 

Please stop defending these actions.

 

Your main objective should be to protect the children, instead of trying to make me look bad.

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Give us numbers. How many cardholders in full compliance have had their kids taken away? This UP deal is terribly unfortunate but at the same time they were definitely well into the grey area of the law.

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Give us numbers. How many cardholders in full compliance have had their kids taken away? This UP deal is terribly unfortunate but at the same time they were definitely well into the grey area of the law.

 

I don't have numbers. I know this has taken place in many locations across Michigan.

 

Custody fights have been ruled upon simply based on one parent being a registered patient. Many cases.

 

Mothers that receive assistance have their children tested for THC in every birth. If they test positive, the children are removed. The condition of the mother has nothing to do with the removal of the child.

 

This isn't an isolated event. In many areas of the state it is normal policy.

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