jgaiski Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 Hello, I'm new here and if it's alright I've got a few questions. First question, how quickly are they turning cards around? It looks like my check was cashed on November 9th. I have a friend that got his a few months prior to me, and he got his within 17 days of his check being cashed. Is this likely? Should I be waiting every day? I've read that from a while ago(6+ months ago) people were waiting 100+ days. Is this still the case? I read in an article by the Huffington Post released today (November 23rd, 2012) that lara was backlogged 14-21 days. Not sure if anyone knows otherwise though.. I guess what I'm asking is should I be in anyway hopeful that my card will be coming anyday now? Or should I anticipate the 21 day mark instead? And also about the 21 day mark, another question. I used a Western Union Money order and do not have a copy of my cancelled check. However, prior to sending the check, I took a picture of the entire money order. Receipt and all, and I have the receipt. Is this proof enough for the local dispensaries? They would have to call and punch in the number though. I mean I can request a copy of my cancelled check from western union but that also takes 30+ days in it's own. Opinions of my situation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mibrains Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 first... WELCOME! i have heard most cards are turning around within the 20 day time frame and are now being mailed within 3 weeks.... (go LARA) so long as you have no problems you should most likely hear soon. next... as far as money orders.... they are very very difficult to use as far as proof of receipt. its not enough to show u bought a money order, you must show they got it and the only way to do that is proof they cashed it. that does take time. if your wanting to visit a dispensary they should not care about the "little" details like proof of cashed check since they are looking over the very "large" detail about not having your name on a plastic card or paperwork before they transfer any cannabis to you. i recommend using absolute caution if you choose to use a dispensary, at this time, in this atmosphere without further clarification from the Michigan supreme court... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t-pain Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 if you are going to a dispensary, just ask them what papers they want to see. lara seems to be getting cards out in 14-21 days for patient cards. caregiver renewal gards are taking longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartyon Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 Dont give the dispenceries your info, unless you want to on a list when leo knocks on there door and sezies disp records I dont. If they just want to see my card fine but no one will make copies or start a file on me. At least not until the mcqeen case is settleled or a disp bill actually comes to be until then be safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorium2 Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 They are back to taking at least a month to issue a card. A month and counting right now for just a patient without a caregiver. And that was just a renewal with no changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgaiski Posted November 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 Thanks all for the replies!!! I figure I'll wait by the mail ONE more day! If it's not here today I'll quit waiting anxiously! And great advice in regards to the Supreme Court issue. I'll definately look into it! If anone is interested, I know it would have made me feel more comfortable seeing more stories, I'll be sure to come back and post the date I get my card!(Hopefully it's today!! ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanutbutter Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 if your wanting to visit a dispensary they should not care about the "little" details like proof of cashed check since they are looking over the very "large" detail about not having your name on a plastic card or paperwork before they transfer any cannabis to you. i recommend using absolute caution if you choose to use a dispensary, at this time, in this atmosphere without further clarification from the Michigan supreme court... Very inaccurate. receipt of payment is nearly always required at a dispensary if you just have paperwork. And if you think there is any dispensary that would sell to someone without any such proofs .. those would have quickly been raided. When was the last time you were in one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mibrains Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 Very inaccurate. receipt of payment is nearly always required at a dispensary if you just have paperwork. And if you think there is any dispensary that would sell to someone without any such proofs .. those would have quickly been raided. When was the last time you were in one? you missed the point PB... i don't think they should care...not that they don't. Since they are ignoring the HUGE fact that they do not have your name on a card printed by lara. you and the dispensary do not therefore have a legal binding relationship. dispensaries are not identified anywhere in the act and therefore are NOT legally protected. i have only been to two of them to see what they were about in the past 3 years and have not and would not acquire cannabis from one. i have however attended several farmers markets last year where patients were dealing directly with the growers... however after careful consideration i realized the errors of our interpretation under previous management and that i had made risky decisions by attending those venues. i shall not return to one unless the supreme court says it is ok to transfer to someone who you have no connection too but that they are still a legal patient. if you want to have the protections of the act as written then grow your own or hire a caregiver to grow for you. you can not transfer or acquire cannabis (at this time) from anyone other than the person whose name and permanent id number is printed on the back of your card. period. there is no exception listed anywhere in the act gersh... only trial cases that want to test the definitions and far reaching possibilities of the implications of a few words and there inherent meaning rather than the contextual one that is required. im not the bad guy here. i didn't write the law. i voted for it. i want to keep it. it is up to each of us to be the leaders and to follow the act and not exploit details for personal gains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanutbutter Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 you missed the point PB... i don't think they should care...not that they don't. Since they are ignoring the HUGE fact that they do not have your name on a card printed by lara. you and the dispensary do not therefore have a legal binding relationship. dispensaries are not identified anywhere in the act and therefore are NOT legally protected. i have only been to two of them to see what they were about in the past 3 years and have not and would not acquire cannabis from one. i have however attended several farmers markets last year where patients were dealing directly with the growers... however after careful consideration i realized the errors of our interpretation under previous management and that i had made risky decisions by attending those venues. i shall not return to one unless the supreme court says it is ok to transfer to someone who you have no connection too but that they are still a legal patient. if you want to have the protections of the act as written then grow your own or hire a caregiver to grow for you. you can not transfer or acquire cannabis (at this time) from anyone other than the person whose name and permanent id number is printed on the back of your card. period. there is no exception listed anywhere in the act gersh... only trial cases that want to test the definitions and far reaching possibilities of the implications of a few words and there inherent meaning rather than the contextual one that is required. im not the bad guy here. i didn't write the law. i voted for it. i want to keep it. it is up to each of us to be the leaders and to follow the act and not exploit details for personal gains. It is useless to debate these points just days before the release or the Supreme Courts decision. There are many people that believe that interpretation of the law is incorrect. And they have fought their way all the way up the ladder to the SC. Then there's all the dispensaries. Still open. They have bet their own freedom that you are wrong. Simply put, there are strong opinions both ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mibrains Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 just so we are clear.. gersh.. i feel that any adult over the age of 21 should be allowed to use cannabis. as i see it.. it is not my personal beliefs that we are discussing. i am only regurgitating the rules as they are currently being enforced as best as i can understand them. if you don't want to "prove" your compliant in front of a judge, you must avoid any questionable behavior and not end up in front of a judge. also it seems like LEO can take many many years to gather evidence and form a case before any arrests are made or charges are filed... just because a dispensary is currently open does not make it ok or legally acceptable.. LEO may just be gathering more evidence... that being said... the rules are not set in any kinda stone to be sure. i hope and pray that we are allowed p to any p... can u imagine... the good that would come from it.. i always revert back to the patient one conundrum in these areas of interpretation. where does/did patient one (in Michigan) get their cannabis originally? many have answered that with- they have it.. get over it.. but. i know what the truth is... it came from someone who was legally able to have it. a chain of custody type of thing. our country was founded on details. and it seems to me this may be the premise that all patients can "acquire" it. and seek the strains that would benefit their afflictions best. i met one of the owners of CA. right after one of the protests last fall in Lansing. we sat in the cafe and talked about them arguing their case in front of the supreme court. so much has happened since then... i wanna say compassionate apothecary has an excellent chance of prevailing in the SC. i hope. but i doubt that the supreme court will shed any actual light on the current conundrum of p to any p as it presents itself... god knows we all want it too.. because it would help us create databases and finally track and use this wonderful plant as it was intended in gods eyes. however... currently you must ask yourself this question as a caregiver. can i help any patient in Michigan with their medical use of cannabis? or can i only help the ones i am registered to? it is the most basic question. it is the most da.mning one. i hope you know. i am only adding my opinion on theses subjects with you because i feel like in the end our discussion helps further many peoples understanding of the way we can work to augment the current interpretations of the act...i am not trying to prove myself right or wrong... merely trying to help many people understand... and i surely dont mean to be difficult. i only wish to explore our community understanding of the way this might play out in the end and to be as safe as possible in the mean time. as i hear it... the world is coming to an end in a few weeks anyways 12-21-12 we shall see here shortly i suppose... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanutbutter Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 "As it is enforced now." Dispensaries are open now in Michigan. That is how it is enforced now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaquetoo Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 It is useless to debate these points just days before the release or the Supreme Courts decision. There are many people that believe that interpretation of the law is incorrect. And they have fought their way all the way up the ladder to the SC. Then there's all the dispensaries. Still open. They have bet their own freedom that you are wrong. Simply put, there are strong opinions both ways. I would have to say John knows first hand about fm's and he took the warnings and he is not in the system, Ive been to a few dispenses when they popped up all over the place, me too to only look, as far as farm markets, I went to a few also I did get some from a few, that way back when there were despenses and every one thought p2p was legal, I never thought it was legal, I would never give them copy's of my card at a dispense, the fm's I went to just needed to see your card to get in! fm is the way to go, it does give a c.g a place to recoup some of his/her grow cost, and let the pt's get the compasionate price or free, none of my biz what or how c.g's do their pts, to each his own! Peace Jim p.s me and my pt got pt card and c.g card in less than 20 days! I started a thread on my pt card, when i get it, I will bring it back to the top of active content,,(at least for one post lol) I sent my package in on the 10th of nov, my pt card expires on the first of dec, I would love to see it here by my expiration date, but im not looking at the mail box for it, I cant be bothered, this is oh god like my 10th card in 3 yrs going of 4, change of plant possesion, change of address, renewels, change c.g, you name it ive done it, and the only time I waited was the first yr, and I truly dont think i had my plastic for 6 months that yr! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorium2 Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 LARA received the forms by certified mail on 10/25 and the card arrived 11/28. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xShip Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 And also about the 21 day mark Not to thread hijack, but I'm here to ask the same question. I read through the entire Michigan Medical Marijuana Act and there is NOTHING about "waiting 21 days after your check is cashed". Why do the dispensaries/deliveries do this? In Section 333c of the MMMJ Act, it says The department shall verify the information contained in an application or renewal submitted pursuant to this section, and shall approve or deny an application or renewal within 15 days of receiving it. So by the LARA's logic, I'm legal this Saturday. But by all of these dispensary's logic, there's some imaginary 21 day wait that pushes me back over 2 weeks. I'm becoming a little frustrated, will somebody please direct me to where it says you have to wait 21 days after the check is cashed, I know these guys can't be wrong, and I'm clearly just not looking in the right places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartyon Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 lara has 20 days to mail you a denined letter so on the 21st day your legal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mibrains Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 ( c) The department shall verify the information contained in an application or renewal submitted pursuant to this section, and shall approve or deny an application or renewal with in 15 days of receiving it. The department may deny an application or renewal only if the applicant did not provide the information required pursuant to this section, or if the department determines that the information provided was falsified. Rejection of an application or renewal is considered a final department action, subject to judicial review. Jurisdiction and venue for judicial review are vested in the circuit court for the county of Ingham. (d) The department shall issue a registry identification card to the primary caregiver, if any, who is named in a qualifying patient's approved application; provided that each qualifying patient can have no more than 1 primary caregiver, and a primary caregiver may assist no more than 5 qualifying patients with their medical use of marihuana. (e) The department shall issue registry identification cards within 5 days of approving an application or renewal, which shall expire 1 year after the date of issuance. Registry identification cards shall contain all of the following: they have 15 days to approve or deny and 5 days to issue... so combined it totals 20 days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mibrains Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 333.26429 Failure of department to adopt rules or issue valid registry identification card. (b) If the department fails to issue a valid registry identification card in response to a valid application or renewal submitted pursuant to this act within 20 days of its submission, the registry identification card shall be deemed granted, and a copy of the registry identification application or renewal shall be deemed a valid registry identification card. http://www.legislatu...e=mcl-333-26429 the reason you would wait 21 days after the check was cashed is because proof of the cashed check is proof not only that they got your application but that they began the procedure to process it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xShip Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 Awesome, thanks guys. But that would still make it 21 days after receiving, not 21 days after cashing the check. I guess they just do it to be as safe as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsburn Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 i just had check cashed 10/30 got card 11/29 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sledge Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 sent in renewal 12-5-12 still haven't seen a thing, Called 3 times and was told I was approved and the card should be there in a day. (last time called 3 weeks ago) Been told that 3 times now lol Nothing like being on the ball! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 Yea, one of my cards got lost in the shuffle last year too sledge. Did you talk to Celeste directly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
free country 420 Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 Last yea was the longest i had a hard card....9 months lol.this year so far its been 7 weeks andc no card yet..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobandtorey Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 Are they back to their old tricks ? or just stalling to keep the numbers Down Who knows They know it stresses people out but most no now that paper work from the Doc and 21 business days is all you really need the MMMA should have their own mmj cards instead of sending the State all the $$ Maybe that's why the Gov changed the way they do the cards if its true the Recommendation is valid at the time of Dr.. signing and the cards can't be used in a Court anyway IMHO I know that our cards where allowed into Evidence as Defendants exhibit by the courts 4 years ago and we can't use them today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlander Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 I have an email from MDCH stating that they do not consider a Change Form an application. Therefore they feel there is not 20-day rule with change forms. Does this mean there is no waiting period? Or that you have to wait for the card. They wouldn't answer that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorium2 Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 (edited) I have an email from MDCH stating that they do not consider a Change Form an application. Therefore they feel there is not 20-day rule with change forms. Does this mean there is no waiting period? Or that you have to wait for the card. They wouldn't answer that. You would have to go by the clear precedent set by the other section of how long it takes to vet an application. The reasonable conclusion would be that the time period is the same. Of course they want more time and we want it to be quicker. That's why you can't get a straight answer out of them after they lawyered up. Edited February 24, 2013 by Restorium2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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