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Are you talking security of plants or security of usable medicine? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that usable meds don't have to be locked up.

If you are just a patient and you can touch more than 2.5 ounces, they see this as going against section 4 of the Act, and it can bump you over to having to use section 8, costing you upwards of $15,000 for attorney fees.

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Ok I think I had 3 sec 4. maybe 5 lol!  First let me say I was quite excited to get my card and I most def showed more people than I should have. now I dont tell any one and have even said no im not a pt or a c.g!



First contact with leo, dnr officer walked up on me burning one under my camper canaopy (scared the poop out of me) he asked to search my camper I told him no, im a legal mm pt and im just medicating out here minding my own biz, (i was on state land with a camping permit) he asked to see my card, I showed him and my i.d and off he went and I didnt see him the rest of the 2 wks I was there, but I was watching lol.


second time, I was camping in roscomon county on state land with a permit, we had a lil to do with the only other people out there, po po was called by the other couple, leo comes tells us to put our fires out and call it a nite, and they say if they have to come back some one is going to jail!.........The other couple called them back and said we threatened to shoot them with a hand gun! I dont own a hand gun yet. so leo comes back,(im unaware they are back) I got out to start my generator in my pj's and I get lit up like a christmas tree and get gang tackled by no less than 10 cops with guns out!!! my ole lady goes nuts on them lol and we both go to jail, we get charged with disturbing the peace, possesion of black tar heroin (it was bho in lil vials that I was gonna clean out and reuse) and possesion of mj I had a 1/4 maybe and they took my .22 rifle out of my camper closet, it was loaded and ready to use!  we bond out the next morning which was sat, I go to the po po station on monday and get my gun back and see my charges!  when the prosecutor seen I was a carded pt they dropped the mj charges and herion charges, becuase when it came back it was pos for mj! no court on the mm!


sorry this was the second or third time not sure, im getting old lmao!




I was at the soaring eagle hotel with my ole lady. we hung out in the dancing lounge for a few hrs, my ole lady started bugging people, I was trying to get her to come back to the room and she wanted to stay so I left her arse their,  I went up to the room I pack a bowl for my vape Im smoking away on it, I hear the card unlocking the door so I figure its my ole lady, im hitting my vape and in comes 4 cops and my ole lady, I had the vape in my mouth when they walked in, talk about getting caught red handed lol......they ask me what im doing, I say im doing my medicine, they ask me if I have a card, I show them with i.d, they took the drunk ole lady and left me alone!


and the 4th time and hopefuly the last!


I became legal while I was in alpena county jail doing 20 days for probation violation, as soon as I got out I copied all of my paper work sent it to my p.o and I started smoking mm, I sent her a urine screen  it tested pos for thc, so she violated me, I went to the hearing and talked to the judge told him I was legal and waiting on my card, he said produce my card by a certain date or report to jail, I faxed a copy of my card and I was allowed to use mm the rest of my probation period much to the dismay of my p.o!


Ok there are 4 sec 4's that didnt got to court (accept the prob violation) and all went the way they were supposed to, obviously I didnt have more than I was supposed to and the law worked for me!



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didn't have more than I was supposed to and the law worked for me!


Thanks Jim for the story i'am glad it did work for you



It didn't work for us but it was a lot better with a card or paper work from the Doctor it just took 1,500 days i think thats too long to be in Court

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I've had 2 successes myself in Macomb County 




Thanks Jim for the story i'am glad it did work for you



It didn't work for us but it was a lot better with a card or paper work from the Doctor it just took 1,500 days i think thats too long to be in Court



This rhetoric is really very tiresome when you had all the support you needed and a legal team that was ready to go back to the SC for you and Torey (RIP). That would be something to have a Redden & Clark decision from the Appeals Court and a Redden & Clark from the Supreme Court , wouldn't it ? How sad it is that setting precedent takes too much time . . . 


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Case No.: 15 32551 Plaintiff, HON. JUDGE Patricia A. Morse

Rebecca L. Meyers Defendant,

Richard Treusch Rebecca L. Meyers
Attorney for Plaintiff Petitioner for Defendant
800 Livingston Blvd 2313 Arlington Ave.
Suite D - 3 Flint, Michigan 48506 Gaylord, MI 49735




On December 21st, 2015 while traveling south on interstate 75 a vehicle Rebecca was a passenger in was stopped for "loose license plate" lol no joke... After MSP approached the officer stated "it smells like a lot of weed"...uh OK... The officer then proceeded to say if she could verify the amount was legal Our Lives would be "much easier"... After viewing and weighing also a complete search of vehicle and testing of Christmas fudge lol...Becca was told that less than one gram of RSO she possessed was illegal and would be arrested but released immediately. We were told to follow them to Gaylord jail to be fingerprinted. After doing so we pulled up in front of jail, the officer then demanded Rebecca again open locked secure container or else then proceeded to take 8 ozs of flower saying her "boss" said so...Rebecca pleaded for a receipt and was denied several times. Fingerprinted paraded and degraded Rebecca was kicked back out and told to call for a court date. I could add Rebecca spent a good amount of time since this date in the hospital she has numerous medical issues well documented. Rebecca is epileptic so the RSO is far from a choice for her to have. I could go on but we all know what's going on here.... Abrogate Prohibition Michigan or this will continue. Please help if your able by showing court support show our faces let them know we know!


Because the Act gives immunity from both arrest and prosecution, a defendant's immunity from arrest is dependent on compliance with Section 4 of the Act. The defendant believes she was in compliance with the act as written. Section 4 reads that the defendant is immune from arrest for “useable marihuana”. Useable marihuana is defined in Section 3 of the Act. Specifically, MCL333.26422(k) “Useable Marihuana” means the dried leaves and flowers of the marihuana plant, and any mixture or preparation thereof. Cannabis oil is a preparation thereof.



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Thanks for posting this.


It's refreshing to learn of a Judge who read, interpreted and implemented our law properly.


HON. JUDGE Patricia A. Morse

Patricia A. Morse is the chief judge for the 87A District Court in Michigan.  She has served as a judge for the court since 1990.

Morse was most recently re-elected unopposed on November 4, 2014, for another six-year term commencing on January 1, 2015,

and expiring on December 31, 2020.

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After viewing and weighing also a complete search of vehicle and testing of Christmas fudge lol...

who was it that surmised that police would be weighing marijuana? on the roadside. wonder what kinda scale they use?

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Any cases of someone applying section 4 to a probation violation for possession of marijuana plants?

Check with Rudoi;







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another fine opinion from the COA.


MCL 771.3(3) permits a court to “impose other lawful conditions of probation as the

circumstances of the case require or warrant or as in its judgment are proper.”

interestingly, it is unlawful to condition, prohibit or otherwise restrict MMMA protections. thats the whole point of the MMMA. it takes precedent over every other law. including 771.3(3)


rudoi will win in the mich supreme court.

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Any cases of someone applying section 4 to a probation violation for possession of marijuana plants?

This isn't the first time Rudoi has fought probation limitations on marijuana. The attorney said he's fought similar restrictions in about 50 cases, and has been successful about 75 percent of the time.


Rudoi believes about 25 percent of judges agree with him that prohibition of medical marijuana violates state law, 50 percent feel it's at their discretion and the final 25 percent have a strict no-marijuana probation policy.

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