Attorney Presents Plan For Rx Marijuana Model

[Dlo]

http://burtonview.mihomepaper.com/news/2013-02-28/Front_Page/Attorney_presents_plan_for_Rx_marijuana_model.html

[Dlo]

City Attorney Rick Austin said the plan Leach has come up with is a "viable" plan.

 

"I agree that if the business operates pursuant this plan there will be no violations," said Austin. "On behalf of the city, so long as they continue to operate pursuant to his business plan, we feel they are compliant as the laws as I know them to be."

[ibob]

All right we are back in business now the sick can get their Meds

[Restorium2]

I ask City Attorney Rick Austin one question:

 

Why do you think the law said a caregiver can only have 5 patients?

 

There lies the rub and the error in his logic. The feds will have to explain it to him if the Supreme Court doesn't.

[TheHarvester]

I found this interesting...

"Leach has offered to show records and logs to the Police Chief Tom Osterholzer and Austin whenever they asked."

[greenbuddha]

I ask City Attorney Rick Austin one question:

 

Why do you think the law said a caregiver can only have 5 patients?

 

There lies the rub and the error in his logic. The feds will have to explain it to him if the Supreme Court doesn't.

 

That's why some of us are working on changing the 'federal' laws.

 

Then far fewer court systems will be involved with 'explaining' things to us as MJ users, either as 'medical patients' or 'recreational users'.

[GregS]

Why would anyone want to use a system that tracks their movements and reports them to the police?

[bobandtorey]

I ask City Attorney Rick Austin one question:

 

Why do you think the law said a caregiver can only have 5 patients?

 

There lies the rub and the error in his logic. The feds will have to explain it to him if the Supreme Court doesn't.

 

will he get a letter from MSP?

[SFC]

All I would say to them is "You First."

[HempHero]

Although the system might meet certain legal standards, it would be a royal Pain in the a... and it still doesn't help :

 

1) Patients who aren't looking for a caregiver but need meds between harvests.

 

2) Caregivers who already have patients in place.

 

3) Any other circumstances I didn't just dream up in the last 20 seconds.

 

A possible short term solution for some.. but far from the answer that MMMP Patients need or deserve.

[Chauncy Gardner]

I understand the pyramid scheme aspect to this plan and how it would be legal, but what I don't understand is: Where does the marijuana that is being held by the "caregivers" come from? Who will supply this much legally? Does each "caregiver" have to grow the full complement of plants?

[LongHairBri]

this must be the same people that were giving away a free eighth with the purchase of a $50 pencil. sounds like it would be a great business model sitting on the top of the pyramid. charge membership fees, charge for the "change caregiver" paperwork. charge for the "classes". charge commission on all meds coming in, then charge again for all meds going out. where do I get in line???

[SFC]

I remember Dr Bob being totally trashed by a certain crazy clown over even suggesting such a scheme. It was a bad idea then and it is still a bad idea.

[phaquetoo]

I found this interesting...

"Leach has offered to show records and logs to the Police Chief Tom Osterholzer and Austin whenever they asked."

I wouldnt touch this with a 10' pole, doesnt sound like anything dif the the sc ruling, only more to arrest or put in the court system.

I ask City Attorney Rick Austin one question:

 

Why do you think the law said a caregiver can only have 5 patients?

 

There lies the rub and the error in his logic. The feds will have to explain it to him if the Supreme Court doesn't.

I would like to see c.g's able to have 10 pt's and pt's be able to have 2 c.g's, and If,,,,,well when some kind of dispense is legal, the pt's could have a real c.g and assign a dispense as their other c.g, taxes for the dispense and nothing changes for c.g to your pt. Meaning still not conidered a sale, If you want to claim your income, claim it, it is upto you, some people need to claim some type of income for credit reasons, Ya can get a mortgage with no income! and supplying the dispenses would have to be claimed, they need write offs also, maybe we could get this a happy happy for every one, but Im not holding my Breath!

Why would anyone want to use a system that tracks their movements and reports them to the police?

I used to feel the same way. After I registered none of my friends wanted anything to do with it, I could have had a great c.g from the get go, but they felt kinda like I did, I sent a letter to leo saying I SMOKE WEEED COME GET ME! lmao

 

To late now if your registered they already got ya!

 

Peace

Jim

[GregS]

The subtext is obviously that section 8 protections will be a part of this. The law at work.

[bobandtorey]

this must be the same people that were giving away a free eighth with the purchase of a $50 pencil. sounds like it would be a great business model sitting on the top of the pyramid. charge membership fees, charge for the "change caregiver" paperwork. charge for the "classes". charge commission on all meds coming in, then charge again for all meds going out. where do I get in line???

 

True I remember the bag of beans lol

[GregS]

I wouldnt touch this with a 10' pole, doesnt sound like anything dif the the sc ruling, only more to arrest or put in the court system.

 

I would like to see c.g's able to have 10 pt's and pt's be able to have 2 c.g's, and If,,,,,well when some kind of dispense is legal, the pt's could have a real c.g and assign a dispense as their other c.g, taxes for the dispense and nothing changes for c.g to your pt. Meaning still not conidered a sale, If you want to claim your income, claim it, it is upto you, some people need to claim some type of income for credit reasons, Ya can get a mortgage with no income! and supplying the dispenses would have to be claimed, they need write offs also, maybe we could get this a happy happy for every one, but Im not holding my Breath!

 

I used to feel the same way. After I registered none of my friends wanted anything to do with it, I could have had a great c.g from the get go, but they felt kinda like I did, I sent a letter to leo saying I SMOKE WEEED COME GET ME! lmao

 

To late now if your registered they already got ya!

 

Peace

Jim

 

Registry confidentially has been ostensibly protected. Please recall that Schitte at one point was about to have the State turn registry iniformation over to the feds, and that effort failed. The provisions in last summer's legislation failed to require any real intrusion into the privacy contemplated in the Act. Now we have private sources announcing that they are prepared to hand over information regarding pt and cg involvement in a dispensary plan. This thing is smart by maybe half. Count me out.

Edited March 1, 2013 by GregS

[GregS]

I understand the pyramid scheme aspect to this plan and how it would be legal, but what I don't understand is: Where does the marijuana that is being held by the "caregivers" come from? Who will supply this much legally? Does each "caregiver" have to grow the full complement of plants?

 

There is a lot unsaid and that will need to remain unsaid for this to be workable. The answers are out there, but you will not hear them spoken of out loud in most cases. Intent and conspiracy are real threats. That the management maintains information germain to patient use, and is prepared "to show records and logs to the Police Chief Tom Osterholzer and (City Attorney) Austin whenever they asked (sic)," and more disturbingly caregiver involvement, opens very real threats to all parties.

[Ms Chocolate]

I don't care if a CG have 5 patients, and those 5 are GC to an additional 25 patients, and those 25 to an additional 125, and so on. If you are not registired with that patient, and have that patient's card in your hand, you are not covered under section 4. If you have the card, you do not need a locker system, deal direct. If you have not card, you still do not need a locker system, you have section 8.

 

Michigan voters did not vote for lockers ans deposit boxes. Why are people trying to place doors and locks on open spaces?

[+Malamute]

Registry confidentially has been ostensibly protected. Please recall that Schitte at one point was about to have the State turn registry iniformation over to the feds, and that effort failed. The provisions in last summer's legislation failed to require any real intrusion into the privacy contemplated in the Act. Now we have private sources announcing that they are prepared to hand over information regarding pt and cg involvement in a dispensary plan. This thing is smart by maybe half. Count me out.

 

Um, We lost that case with Schuette and MDCH for records in Federal court.

 

Here is CPU's Amicus

 

MACC filed

 

Here is the Opinion Denying MACC and CPU's attempt to intervene in the releasing of documents in a criminal case.

[phaquetoo]

Registry confidentially has been ostensibly protected. Please recall that Schitte at one point was about to have the State turn registry iniformation over to the feds, and that effort failed. The provisions in last summer's legislation failed to require any real intrusion into the privacy contemplated in the Act. Now we have private sources announcing that they are prepared to hand over information regarding pt and cg involvement in a dispensary plan. This thing is smart by maybe half. Count me out.

 

I realy hate to be like this, but honestly im worried about me and mine, and I dont realy care if they have despenses or not, I truly dont, I dont see me selling to them, I dont realy like to part with my meds, only to my pt or pts, ya never know,,,Ive had a few ask me to be their c.g, but they are not needy and dont qualify for what im looking for in a pt! Which is a terminal pt that totaly cant afford meds, that is the only way id be some ones c.g right now, and I wouldnt have to be any bigger than I am now, That would actualy help me and help some one that needs it, as far as teaching people to grow, Id give them any advise I could and or steer them in the right direction!

 

I dont trust our government so I believe they can get any info they need on anyone from any where! so for me I just try not to attract attn to myself any longer, Its best to keep things amongst people you can trust at this time, and stay within the law the best as you can!

 

I grew up as a cops son, I know what kinda crap the m fr's can do and do do! lol

 

Peace

Jim

[GregS]

I don't care if a CG have 5 patients, and those 5 are GC to an additional 25 patients, and those 25 to an additional 125, and so on. If you are not registired with that patient, and have that patient's card in your hand, you are not covered under section 4. If you have the card, you do not need a locker system, deal direct. If you have not card, you still do not need a locker system, you have section 8.

 

Michigan voters did not vote for lockers ans deposit boxes. Why are people trying to place doors and locks on open spaces?

 

What you ask goes to the heart of why confidentiality, which is nowhere to be found in this plan, is essential. Lockers are not necessary, but potentially convenient. Under the Burton plan, however, privacy is not in the mix.

Um, We lost that case with Schuette and MDCH for records in Federal court.

 

Here is CPU's Amicus

 

MACC filed

 

Here is the Opinion Denying MACC and CPU's attempt to intervenein the releasing of documents in a criminal case.

 

Thanks for the correction, which only adds to the urgency to remain under the radar.

Edited March 1, 2013 by GregS

[TheHarvester]

If you do some very simple searching on the internets..

Bay Medical is an interesting study...

http://record-eagle.com/local/x498539040/Authorities-raid-marijuana-collective

"Det. Lt. Del Putnam, of HUNT, said the man admitted to a "pyramid scheme," where he recruited people to become caregivers and assigned them patients."

"Putnam said once the investigation is complete, they will refer the case to the DEA. If federal charges aren't pursued, Putnam said local authorities may seek charges against the collective as an "ongoing criminal enterprise," a potential 20-year felony.

 

What happened with this case? If it was dismissed it would certainly be interesting.

In fairness, there were some particulars that were different and the lockers were not mentioned.

Does anyone know the reputation of the attorney presenting this? Never heard of him.

[bobandtorey]

I think I do no that Lawyer he was the one that gave the Waterford people the OK to open up

But when they got raided he took off fast

 

Sorry wrong guy

Edited March 1, 2013 by bobandtorey