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You know what motor all you do is run your mouth and try and run everyone down....... You talk all high and mighty how your meds are better than EVERYONES....... I can tell you now that with all your talk that is what it is.......  You talk about it on EVERY post you make....... There is a reason for that....... Trying to compensate for something?

 

Your bragging about the D? And how you can do what you want in the D? Might have something to do with it being a sheit hole......... and not so much of how smart you guys down there are? If your bragging about how you guys run the D...... Not something I would brag about........ It is a shiet hole and a black eye to our state..... Not for the MJ but for all the other shiet that goes on there. Again NOTHING TO BE PROUD OF for anyone. Hopefully one day it will be restored to glory but probably not.

 

Edited to add that just because someone get 200 for an ounce of meds does not mean that is all they COULD get. Some of us CHOOSE to do that for the PATIENTS........

Ozz,

 

Yes you are right I do have good meds and I am very proud of all my sweat, labor and stress that goes into what I procure.  With that being said you can interpret what I say however you wish.  This country is still FREE for the time being.  If your jealous..so what.  Show me up.  I have no problem stating what is up.   I have some of the best meds in MI because these are the compliments I get paid for all my hard work.

 

 

As for Detroit...man..dude just wake up.  i am not defending the Anarchy that goes on down there in any way.  It just is what it is.  Alot of people need to get off this self righteous shiet about cannabis is for the MED MJ community only.  let the warehouse growers do as they wish.  i have NO affiliations with any dispensary or illegal growers.  I could give a rats about them.

 

And yes my dude there is POT BARON's in the D.  Call it for what it is.   I am just a very proud hard worling individual and I will never take any BS from you or any other tuff typer on here.  If I get banned from this site..I lose nothing.  In fact i will probably be better because i then can focus on my kraft and BANTER way less with jealous individuals.

 

 

Am I forgetting anything..?  ahh YES fux the D.  But I love the D.  if there were more people growing down there and not fuxin up the city and slangin rocks, pills and needles well it would indeed be a better place.  tax the crops and pump all that monmey right back into the schools.

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I agree,would you really need to sell your meds on budtrader if they were any good?

Must not of cut the mustard at the dispensary,gotta dump em somewhere.

dan,

 

There comes a time when there will always be a need to "dump".  i wish I had patients that would have super high requirments but it does not always work that way.  And sometimes not all the time...the plants just yield more than anticipated.

 

You know this so why you bringin this bull to me..?  

 

save that for somebody that will succumb to your banter.  this issue has been addressed no less than 500 times in the past 5 yrs.

 

 

it is a old dead topic.....next topic.  If your good you can push your environmentals so your plants achieve maximum potential.

 

"dumping" or surplus happens regardless of how good your shiet it.  I never will sell for 200.00.  I will go back to a office job than work as a lil bietch and allow others to flip my bunny muffin and make more than me,

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blah blah blah, you can have the D I already drained all the cash from that city, I dont think they will be building any more stadiums or hospitals, maybe a few more casino's to suck the rest of the $ out of that schitt hole, if you act like it, and smell like it, you must be it!

 

you have fun with your near beer in port sanilac, go check out the stone house, they used to have great pearch, at least last time I was there they did!  plus it is brain food, it may make you a lil bit brighter, but im kinda thinkin you missed the buss on that one!

 

When god was passin out brains, you thought he said trains, and oh well choo choo!

 

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It's called the STONE LODGE .....rambozo.!!!

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Motor I will say this it is fine to be proud of what you produce. That is one thing but when you say it in almost every one of your posts it gets old. You lose alot of what you are saying with your attitude. It is not like you say every now and again but almost every post. Not only do you just say how good your sheit is you have to try and bag on everyone elses at the same time. That is not just being proud of what you produce. That is trying to convince everyone that it is true. JEALOUS? I think not. That is your other thing you say everyone in jealous if they call you on any of it or even make a comment about well...... anything against you. Do you really believe that everyone is just jealous of you? I think not.

 

You also assume that anyone who charges less for meds than you do is a bad grower and has sheit meds. No need for that. Or is there? Like I said some of us do it for the patients. I am good with you charging whatever you want for your meds and have no problem with it. But for you to not only assume it is because of sheit meds but you say it over and over. I know why I do it for 200 and trust me it is not because that is all I can get but that is all I charge. I would come out here and tell you how I will put my meds against yours anyday but I do not need to pump my chest like that.

 

My personal opinion is EVERYONE should be able to use marijuana. I have never had a problem with anyone who wants to grow. I am all good with that and always will be.- I say what I say about the D not because I think you are defending it but because you say it like they get left alone because they are so cool. Again I have no problem with ANYONE growing. But they do not get left alone or get away with what they do because of any other reason than THE POLICE THERE HAVE NO TIME FOR IT because that city has turned into a disaster. I for one would like to be able to love the D too but alot of the people there have to want it for themselves and I have seen too many brag about how cool the D is because they have such a bad rep.  Like I said nothing to be proud of.

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Motor I will say this it is fine to be proud of what you produce. That is one thing but when you say it in almost every one of your posts it gets old. You lose alot of what you are saying with your attitude. It is not like you say every now and again but almost every post. Not only do you just say how good your sheit is you have to try and bag on everyone elses at the same time. That is not just being proud of what you produce. That is trying to convince everyone that it is true. JEALOUS? I think not. That is your other thing you say everyone in jealous if they call you on any of it or even make a comment about well...... anything against you. Do you really believe that everyone is just jealous of you? I think not.

 

You also assume that anyone who charges less for meds than you do is a bad grower and has sheit meds. No need for that. Or is there? Like I said some of us do it for the patients. I am good with you charging whatever you want for your meds and have no problem with it. But for you to not only assume it is because of sheit meds but you say it over and over. I know why I do it for 200 and trust me it is not because that is all I can get but that is all I charge. I would come out here and tell you how I will put my meds against yours anyday but I do not need to pump my chest like that.

 

My personal opinion is EVERYONE should be able to use marijuana. I have never had a problem with anyone who wants to grow. I am all good with that and always will be.- I say what I say about the D not because I think you are defending it but because you say it like they get left alone because they are so cool. Again I have no problem with ANYONE growing. But they do not get left alone or get away with what they do because of any other reason than THE POLICE THERE HAVE NO TIME FOR IT because that city has turned into a disaster. I for one would like to be able to love the D too but alot of the people there have to want it for themselves and I have seen too many brag about how cool the D is because they have such a bad rep.  Like I said nothing to be proud of.

Your right I do talk alot about my work.  And rightfully so.  If everyone was good enough...to get top dollar then well ...LOL...everybody would be at the same level. 

 

Why do you think people pay 285.....305......325....???  Because it is deemed worth that.  End of Story.   People are not stupid.  And yes I will continue to stand behind what I do.

 

 

 

For Detroit....man I was 48219 for 2 years in my last rental unit. Right on the Brightmoor border, between Fenkell & 6 Mile.  Go do a Sunday joy ride thru this zipcode.  Then come at me with anything..!!  Well aware of what the D was, went to  and direction it is going in...which btw is not really anwhere...LOL.

 

 

Nobody ..NOBODY should be jaild in any manner for anything cannabis.  We are wasting Billions on incarcerations over a herb plant man.!!

 

 

Detroit would not be Detroit if all the fuxs that get popped in the DDD for weed were never charged.  What happens is a system.  The whites in all branches of Government planned out the hood and laws for a reason.  No coincidence that basically all stats show Blacks n latino's are getting butt banged when it comes to charges related to cannabis.

 

Detroit is what it is...It is really fuxed up.  Not even going to waste anymore energy on that.  I was in the DDDD ..not much else to say besides that.

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Well Jim, that's the rub isn't it?  A law that the only way to follow it is to have someone else break a law.  I don't believe that is valid, but then I am not a supreme court justice.

Marijuana is illegal federally.  So you are breaking a law if you possess/use, right? 

 

Seems you are equivocating on "breaking the law."  So let's examine this. 

 

First, define parameters.  When you say, "breaking the law" I assume you mean state law and not federal since we all know that you would be breaking federal law by acquiring.  So the question is whether you have to break state law in order to acquire your first seed.  Highlander answered that.  You can get mailorder seeds.  That isn't breaking state law.  Federal?  Yes.  But you are breaking federal law anyway, right?

 

As has been pointed out, the MMA allows you to acquire.  But that does not mean you can acquire in any way possible.  What if I break into my neighbor's to steal a clone from his plant?  Can I argue that I was "acquiring" and therefore not committing a crime?  Of course not. This sort of argument reminds me of peanutbutters argument a few years back that it was okay to drive without a license if you were "transporting" marijuana since the law allows you to "transport marijuana."   

 

You need to look at the law in the proper perspective.  You can acquire as long as you do it in a way that doesn't violate other state laws.  Similarly, an out of state patient has the rights that would be accorded to someone else with a card.  Does that mean the outstate pt can grow?  No.  Does it mean dispensaries MUST be legal because how else would they acquire?  No.  Does it mean they can use?  Yes.

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Those of y'all doggin out the D, bet you Love the Tigers, Red Wings, Pistons, or Lions. Anybody else here can beat them, in this State? Country?

 

Sad part too is we also made some cars for you.  Remember American Motors? they're coming back soon Though they'll be called Chinerican and the others will be gone too!  WTFU! you haters? You can not think the residents of the D are responsible for their plight? This is a socio-economic policy being systematically deployed on a city in the same stat you live in. Yet their is not 1 gram of sympathy between the two or three you.  as you can see it bugs the F outta me , sorry

 

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Those of y'all doggin out the D, bet you Love the Tigers, Red Wings, Pistons, or Lions. Anybody else here can beat them, in this State? Country?

 

Sad part too is we also made some cars for you.  Remember American Motors? they're coming back soon Though they'll be called Chinerican and the others will be gone too!  WTFU! you haters? You can not think the residents of the D are responsible for their plight? This is a socio-economic policy being systematically deployed on a city in the same stat you live in. Yet their is not 1 gram of sympathy between the two or three you.  as you can see it bugs the F outta me , sorry

 

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  • vs
  • Post ind state
  • wtf is the $$$
  • why we all so d poor?

 

 

I feel you........ and I understand.......... I have my feelings about the city and what it has become. I have been there many times and still go, but I also see what is becoming of it. Some of it is caused by the residents and some is not. I do feel for those that truly love their city and do everything they can to try and keep it good but on the flip side cannot stand those that are proud of what they have done to the D. Even Motor wishes to brag about how he spent time in the hood. Like that makes him something to be looked up to for. Nothing wrong with coming from the hood but when you use it as a badge like you are proud of the rep is nothing to be proud of.

 

The motor companies you speak of also did some selling out of the D and are part of the problem. Seems it is cheaper to make things elsewhere and they partially choose to do so. Yet they still want to be known as an American car company. Nothing to be proud of.

 

I do like some of those teams and also like to go to many concerts in the D. I would like to love that city but as I said some people really need to do some changing before anyone can continue to be really proud of the D. But I understand your pride and commend you for it and hopefully soon you and others like you will get justification of your pride. you see when I moved to Michigan the whole state was doing great and now not so much. Detroit and Flint among some of the most dangerous cities in this country and I cannot understand that because most of the people in this state are cool as hell. I just dont get it.

 

When I speak of the people in the D doing it to themselves I speak of the REAL criminals and murderers and such.

 

 

Edited to add ...... Motor if you think I am even remotely ok with ANYONE going to jail over cannabis then you got the wrong cat......

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Those of y'all doggin out the D, bet you Love the Tigers, Red Wings, Pistons, or Lions. Anybody else here can beat them, in this State? Country?

 

Sad part too is we also made some cars for you.  Remember American Motors? they're coming back soon Though they'll be called Chinerican and the others will be gone too!  WTFU! you haters? You can not think the residents of the D are responsible for their plight? This is a socio-economic policy being systematically deployed on a city in the same stat you live in. Yet their is not 1 gram of sympathy between the two or three you.  as you can see it bugs the F outta me , sorry

 

  • New Ind State
  • vs
  • Post ind state
  • wtf is the $$$
  • why we all so d poor?

 

There was one gram of sympathy.  But I accidentally smoked it.

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So, you're suggesting we need to stay away from federally-illegal activities?  Gimme a break.  So breaking federal law by crossing state lines is a no-no, but breaking federal law when the out-of-state patient buys meds at a dispensary is OK?  I don't understand you.

 

Yes it is against federal law to order seeds...and...to fly over the country with MMJ.  What is your point?  That it is MORE federally illegal to order seeds in the mail than it is to get clones from your CG?  That it is MORE federally illegal to fly with your meds than it is to buy them in MI?

 

What does federal law have to do with this discussion....Just about nothing.  If you want to discuss what federal law allows, then your discussion was shut down before it started.  If you want to discuss what is allowed under state law, then I welcome your discussion.

 

State law has nothing to prevent you from ordering seeds in the mail.

 

State law has nothing to prevent a legit out-of-state, carded patient to bring his CG and his meds with him.

let me clarify some.  The Feds claim they have jurisdiction over drugs because of the commerce clause in the constitution.  The commerce laws say that anything that directly affects markets in more than 1 state or internationally, are the jurisdiction of the Feds.  By crossing state lines, ordering seeds in the mail, etc, you are affecting commerce outside of our state.  Now the market they are arguing is the black market street drugs.

 

If nothing crosses state lines, it can be argued that we are not affecting interstate commerce, and therefore it is not the Fed Jurisdiction.  So it is all illegal federally.  But a federal law that is outside of their jurisdiction, is an invalid law, and that has been won in SC before (just not on drugs...).

 

So my point is that as long as it stays inside the state lines, and you believe in the US constitution, you can argue that this is a state issue, not a federal one, and that our law is valid.  Otherwise it is our law that is invalid and we are just fooling ourselves.

 

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Marijuana is illegal federally.  So you are breaking a law if you possess/use, right? 

 

Seems you are equivocating on "breaking the law."  So let's examine this. 

 

First, define parameters.  When you say, "breaking the law" I assume you mean state law and not federal since we all know that you would be breaking federal law by acquiring.  So the question is whether you have to break state law in order to acquire your first seed.  Highlander answered that.  You can get mailorder seeds.  That isn't breaking state law.  Federal?  Yes.  But you are breaking federal law anyway, right?

 

As has been pointed out, the MMA allows you to acquire.  But that does not mean you can acquire in any way possible.  What if I break into my neighbor's to steal a clone from his plant?  Can I argue that I was "acquiring" and therefore not committing a crime?  Of course not. This sort of argument reminds me of peanutbutters argument a few years back that it was okay to drive without a license if you were "transporting" marijuana since the law allows you to "transport marijuana."   

 

You need to look at the law in the proper perspective.  You can acquire as long as you do it in a way that doesn't violate other state laws.  Similarly, an out of state patient has the rights that would be accorded to someone else with a card.  Does that mean the outstate pt can grow?  No.  Does it mean dispensaries MUST be legal because how else would they acquire?  No.  Does it mean they can use?  Yes.

If you broke into your neighbors, they would nail you for theft and breaking and entering, not for possession...  Let's not be stupid here.  You have multiple actions here, some legal, some illegal, breaking and entering, and theft are illegal...  But taking a clone and having a plant is protected...  And PB's logic is hugely lacking at some points.

 

I do not argue that it makes Disps legal, because they could acquire from other legally carded PT's already in MI.  Doesn't really matter our opinions, I'll be going with the latest rulings either way.

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let me clarify some.  The Feds claim they have jurisdiction over drugs because of the commerce clause in the constitution.  The commerce laws say that anything that directly affects markets in more than 1 state or internationally, are the jurisdiction of the Feds.  By crossing state lines, ordering seeds in the mail, etc, you are affecting commerce outside of our state.  Now the market they are arguing is the black market street drugs.

 

If nothing crosses state lines, it can be argued that we are not affecting interstate commerce, and therefore it is not the Fed Jurisdiction.  So it is all illegal federally.  But a federal law that is outside of their jurisdiction, is an invalid law, and that has been won in SC before (just not on drugs...).

 

So my point is that as long as it stays inside the state lines, and you believe in the US constitution, you can argue that this is a state issue, not a federal one, and that our law is valid.  Otherwise it is our law that is invalid and we are just fooling ourselves.

 

Cedar

 

You can't, out of one side of your mouth, argue that federal law doesn't apply because there is no interstate commerce, and argue out of the other side of your mouth that out-of-state patients can come to MI and buy meds.  The meds don't need to cross state lines for it to be interstate commerce.  A patient flying in from Cali to vacation in Ann Arbor participates in interstate commerce when he shops at an AA dispensary.

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Zapatos is right, purchased and consumed in MI does not affect interstate commerce...  The only time it becomes interstate is if that CA PT flies into AA, purchases, and then gets on a plane and flies home with it.

 

That's why you don't pay any of the federal taxes on alcohol you drink when you travel outside of the US...  Purchased and consumed in another country, but if you look at the laws, when you import, you are supposed to pay tax for bringing it back, which is where the commerce comes into play.  the loophole to that is purchased in the Duty Free shops.  But that's an exception.  The rule is you pay tax on import, not purchase in another country

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Zapatos is right, purchased and consumed in MI does not affect interstate commerce...  The only time it becomes interstate is if that CA PT flies into AA, purchases, and then gets on a plane and flies home with it.

 

That's why you don't pay any of the federal taxes on alcohol you drink when you travel outside of the US...  Purchased and consumed in another country, but if you look at the laws, when you import, you are supposed to pay tax for bringing it back, which is where the commerce comes into play.  the loophole to that is purchased in the Duty Free shops.  But that's an exception.  The rule is you pay tax on import, not purchase in another country

 

Not true.  The feds were able to assert federal wetland laws over small pocket wetlands in the Dakotas years ago and still do to this day.  The argument was that a hunter from out-of-state would come to the Dakotas to duck hunt, and in the process he'd spend his tourist dollars in state that wasn't his home state.  Spending money in the state was all t ha twas needed to make it interstate commerce - had nothing to do with what they did or didn't bring home.  In fact, it was even determined that bird-watching constituted interstate commerce.  And with bird watching you don't take anything home but pictures and memories.

 

Your comparison to alcohol purchased out of the country isn't relevant.  Interstate commerce occurs when a person from one STATE spends money in another STATE.  There is no interstate commerce when you buy alcohol in Canada.  That is international commerce.

 

Commerce = spending money....not only buying something tangible and taking it home.

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I believe you are incorrect.  They took over the wetlands because of migratory birds, not tourist dollars.  Now maybe the truth was that the Feds wanted the tourist dollars, but the lawsuit and why the feds won was based on Migratory Birds that don't stay in N Dakota...

 

http://lawlibrary.unm.edu/nrj/22/2/12_bond_federal.pdf

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I believe you are incorrect.  They took over the wetlands because of migratory birds, not tourist dollars.  Now maybe the truth was that the Feds wanted the tourist dollars, but the lawsuit and why the feds won was based on Migratory Birds that don't stay in N Dakota...

 

http://lawlibrary.unm.edu/nrj/22/2/12_bond_federal.pdf

 

They were able to assert federal jurisdiction because of out-of-state hunters = interstate commerce.  Migrating birds are not commerce.

 

You are talking about the feds acquiring land.  That is a different matter.  I'm talking about the feds asserting jurisdiction.

 

http://www.stuartkaplow.com/library3.cfm?article_id=65

 

SWANCC argued that Congress and the Corps did not have the authority to assert federal jurisdiction over isolated intrastate waters based solely on the presence of migratory birds, and the migratory bird rule is invalid because it was not promulgated in accordance with the Administrative Procedure Act. The federal appellate court upheld the District Court grant of summary judgment. The court found that the hunting and other enjoyment of migratory birds is a billion dollar industry and, while the adverse effects of eliminating one habitat may not be noticeable, the aggregate effect of destruction of many such areas on interstate commerce “is clear, and that is all the Commerce Clause requires.”

 

Don't need to bring dead birds home to have commerce.  Just stop for coffee at Starbucks on your way out to go birdwatching and you participated in interstate commerce.

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They were able to assert federal jurisdiction because of out-of-state hunters = interstate commerce.  Migrating birds are not commerce.

 

You are talking about the feds acquiring land.  That is a different matter.  I'm talking about the feds asserting jurisdiction.

 

http://www.stuartkaplow.com/library3.cfm?article_id=65

 

SWANCC argued that Congress and the Corps did not have the authority to assert federal jurisdiction over isolated intrastate waters based solely on the presence of migratory birds, and the migratory bird rule is invalid because it was not promulgated in accordance with the Administrative Procedure Act. The federal appellate court upheld the District Court grant of summary judgment. The court found that the hunting and other enjoyment of migratory birds is a billion dollar industry and, while the adverse effects of eliminating one habitat may not be noticeable, the aggregate effect of destruction of many such areas on interstate commerce “is clear, and that is all the Commerce Clause requires.”

 

Don't need to bring dead birds home to have commerce.  Just stop for coffee at Starbucks on your way out to go birdwatching and you participated in interstate commerce.

Wait... It is not the tourist dollars, it is the destruction of land affecting the commerce in other states... Read what you posted...

 

while the adverse effects of eliminating one habitat may not be noticeable, the aggregate effect of destruction of many such areas on interstate commerce is clear.

 

What you posted mentions nothing about tourist dollars...  What they are saying is destroying wetlands in N Dakota affects commerce in S Dakota and Canada probably.

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Wait... It is not the tourist dollars, it is the destruction of land affecting the commerce in other states... Read what you posted...

 

while the adverse effects of eliminating one habitat may not be noticeable, the aggregate effect of destruction of many such areas on interstate commerce is clear.

 

What you posted mentions nothing about tourist dollars...  What they are saying is destroying wetlands in N Dakota affects commerce in S Dakota and Canada probably.

 

If you read  the entire case, you'll see that the destruction of the wetlands would eliminate the tourist dollars coming in from other states, and that was the crux of the matter.

 

And it is the interruption of these dollars that affects interstate commerce. 

 

Even what you bolded above says "effect of destruction of many such areas on interstate commerce."

 

That is the whole point.  Filling wetlands in North Dakota affects bird-watching revenue from other states. 

 

Check this out too:  http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Commerce+Clause

 

Article 1, Section 8, Clause 3, of the Constitution empowers Congress "to regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among several States, and with the Indian Tribes." The term commerce as used in the Constitution means business or commercial exchanges in any and all of its forms between citizens of different states, including purely social communications between citizens of different states by telegraph, telephone, or radio, and the mere passage of persons from one state to another for either business or pleasure.

 

This is how the feds regulate telephone wire and airwaves.  Evening picking up the phone to call you good buddy in Cali is considered "commerce."  Visiting another state is "commerce."

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Hghlander is correct.  Cedar, while your arguments sound good on the surface to a layperson they are not legally correct.

 

For a long period which encompassed the middle 2/3 of the 1900s the US Supreme Court broadened congressional powers to regulate interstate commerce.  The court allowed congress to regulate things that even tangentially touched interstate commerce.  At one point the court upheld a federal law that regulated how much of a certain crop that a farmer could grow.  The farmer argued that the "extra" crop being grown was not for the open market thus it didn't affect interstate commerce and shouldn't be subject to the federal law.  The court reasoned that even if it was for the farmer's personal consumption that it still affected interstate commerce because then the farmer wouldn't buy food on the market, etc., etc.  I think it was Wickard v Fillburn (sp?).  Look it up.

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Here's part of the reason why our Steel Industry is hurting:

 

"To understand why foreign companies would dump steel pipe on the American market — apart from the fact that unfair practices are their stock-in-trade — one need only look at what is taking place with the oil and gas drilling boom. Over the past six years, more than 160,000 new energy jobs have been created, while spending on drilling and completing wells in the United States has topped $145 billion. In 2000, the total spent was $13 billion"

 [ a 1,115%  increase !]

 

Steel_Dumping

 

Phrickin Phrackin Phuquers

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