Heads Up: Some Bodies Watchin Us! .... Surprized?

[solabeirtan]

Just run across this in The NY times:

  "Revisiting the I.R.S. ‘Scandal’"

 

 

".... a document showing that the agency didn’t just scrutinize Tea Party groups applying for tax exemptions, but also those with names including the words “progressive” and “occupy.”

And also, bizarrely, groups interested in medical marijuana, open-source software and disputed territories in the Middle East."

 

helping to  illuminate the shadows and keeping you informed.    'sall folks                                 

 

It shouldn't be a big surprise to most of US anyways.                      ..........peace

 

[Celliach]

I actually know one of the MMJ groups.

[Kingdiamond]

Unless  you were hiding under a rock you should have been well aware that they watch every move we make its been this way our entire lives just before nobody had the balls to throw away their life to tell John and Jane public about these covert programs.

 

I've grown up in the cannabis culture since I was 9 and always had myself surrounded by those who preached that we are being watched and I believed it back then just like I know its true now   that its been publicly exposed .

[1lluminated1]

Thank you for sharing this information with us solabeirtan

 

We may disagree with one group or another but the point of the matter is that we must all unify because if one group is singled out who is to say we will not be next? 

 

"First they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

 

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

 

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

 

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me."

 

-Martin Neimoller

[+Malamute]

Yes... they definitely targeted medical marijuana groups.

 

CPU was heavily targeted.

[shishka]

Yes... they definitely targeted medical marijuana groups.

 

CPU was heavily targeted.

Did CPU get it's non profit status?

 

I see Google just dropped a quarter million on one here in A2.

[Celliach]

I think we now realize that nobody was "singled out."   They did give some groups more scrutiny because it was their job, but they apparently didn't single out any one type of group.  They're supposed to catch people cheating on their taxes.  I don't like it any more than anyone else, but they were just doing the job they were hired for.

[outsideinthecold]

I don't think anyone really knows the truth about the IRS profiling. Having watched some of the dog-and-pony show my impression is all anyone can reasonably conclude from the IRS is we have a government that is simply too large and has run amuck.

 

And if someone other than Elijah Cummings and his ilk who believes there is some innocent explanation for Lois Lerner's use of the fifth ammendment to avoid testifying about the few rogue agents in a district office who had no connection to either Washington, DC in general or the White House in particular.......

 

This wasn't about cheating on taxes. No one was ever accused of cheating on their taxes in the matter under investigation. It was about public sector employees failing to meet professional standards that should be expected of anyone enjoying the public purse.

Edited June 29, 2013 by outsideinthecold

[Celliach]

Watch this video 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc

It will make you change your mind about what the 5th Amendment is.  IT's also a good lesson on why not to talk to LEO.

 

I'm also basing my assumptions on the actual report, not what Cummings said or did.

[+Malamute]

Did CPU get it's non profit status?

 

I see Google just dropped a quarter million on one here in A2.

 

 Cannabis Patients United is the first Medical Marijuana 501©4 organization founded in this State that supports Patients. Only like 4 in the whole country.

 

 :-)

 

 Our Foundation(501©3)  is Pending.

[Celliach]

Thank you for sharing this information with us solabeirtan

 

We may disagree with one group or another but the point of the matter is that we must all unify because if one group is singled out who is to say we will not be next? 

 

"First they came for the socialists,

and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

 

Then they came for the trade unionists,

and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

 

Then they came for the Jews,

and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

 

Then they came for me,

and there was no one left to speak for me."

 

-Martin Neimoller

 

I see our resident government provocateur is back from his vacation of posting.

[greenbuddha]

From the cradle to the grave, Baby, from the cradle to the grave...barcoded, numbered and GPSed on your phone.

 

'They' know who you are and where you are ALL the time, nothing new.

 

But the least 'they' could do is make it a little nicer to live on the planet by allowing us some cannabis now and then.  

[bobandtorey]

Yes... they definitely targeted medical marijuana groups.

 

CPU was heavily targeted.

care to share with us how you where targeted and what happen did someone get raided because of it?

[bobandtorey]

From the cradle to the grave, Baby, from to the cradle to the grave...barcoded, numbered and GPSed on your phone.

 

'They' know who you are and where you are ALL the time, nothing new.

 

But the least 'they' could do is make it a little nicer to live on the planet by allowing us some cannabis now and then.  

Lol so true 

i agree

[+Malamute]

care to share with us how you where targeted and what happen did someone get raided because of it?

 

 

 Why would we be raided Bob?  We aren't dispensaries.

 

 We received the same problems with the IRS as other groups did.  Took us nearly 2 years of hassle and anal scopes when we finally got our ©4 non profit approval.

 

 The number one thing they will not give a group non profit for is... dispensaries and sketchy businesses.  They will crawl so far up your asss you will get heartburn from it. ;-)

 

 But naw Bob,... remember we are the ones that preach conservative views and are simply here to educate and protect patients, caregivers, physicians and the Act,.... by Law. :-)

 

 I am merely one member of the group with one vote and bound by our by-laws and purpose to stay within our strict guidelines.

[1lluminated1]

I see our resident government provocateur is back from his vacation of posting.

 

Do you care to attack the facts or attack my character? 

 

Maybe you sir are the Provocateur? 

 

Do you honestly believe the Government should have absolute power to spy on every US citizen?

[Beans]

Attacking our government

Just makes you a homegrown terrorist

[Celliach]

Do you care to attack the facts or attack my character? 

 

Maybe you sir are the Provocateur? 

 

Do you honestly believe the Government should have absolute power to spy on every US citizen?

 

You're the one that keeps spreading these stupid conspiracy theories and making people ignore the real problems.  If these conspiracy theories you post about are true, then why do "they" let you keep posting all about it all over the internet?  Either they're not true, or you're part of the real conspiracy, keeping people focused on false things while the ignoring the things that they can change.  How do you stop big corporations from taking over the government if you're worried about FEMA coffins and the UN taking away your guns?

 

The government is NOT the problem, the people taking over our government is, and as long as you keep everyone focused on the wrong problem, the real one isn't getting fixed.  That's why I think you are a provocateur, and a part of the conspiracy.  Who pays you to post this crap and keep us focused on the wrong thing?

[pic book]

 

Watch this video 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc

 

 

sorry, doesn't come up

[Celliach]

  

 

sorry, doesn't come up

 

It's working for me.

 

Maybe try to copy and paste it.

[OG Fire Beaster]

I think we now realize that nobody was "singled out."   They did give some groups more scrutiny because it was their job, but they apparently didn't single out any one type of group.  They're supposed to catch people cheating on their taxes.  I don't like it any more than anyone else, but they were just doing the job they were hired for.

 

Why do you accuse other people of of misleading and being provocateurs when you post stuff like this? Show some proof of your statement please. That is a blatant lie.

 

I'll give you an example of how to provide evidence of a statement.

 

"We also determined that 14 tax-exempt applications filed between May 2010 and May 2012 using the words 'progress' or 'progressive' in their names were not referred for added scrutiny as potential political cases," George continued. "In total, 30 percent of the organizations we identified with the words 'progress' or 'progressive' in their names were processed as potential political cases. In comparison, our audit found that 100 percent of the tax-exempt applications with Tea Party, Patriots, or 9/12 in their names were processed as potential political cases during the timeframe of our audit."

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/27/irs-2012-election_n_3510455.html

 

So are you still going to say that no one was singled out? Please read the whole article, which comes from a "progressive" source.

Edited June 30, 2013 by OG Fire Beaster

[Celliach]

I did write "apparently" in that statement, go back and read it.  I like to cover myself with words like that when I'm quoting info that I don't have solid proof of.  It's called parsing your words.  I don't usually read The Huffington Post so I didn't see the story you posted a link to.  I was basing my post on what I'd heard from other sources.

 

Now how can I call him a provocateur?  Because he does nothing but post about conspiracies and government take-over and abuses.  The only post he's ever made about MMJ was recently, and only because they reported IED's during the raid.  All he posts about is stuff that's meant to keep us occupied from the real problem.  I still wonder why he feels he has to keep posting off topis subjects on a medical marijuana forum.

 

As I said before, if there was a real conspiracy as he claims, then why do "they" continue to let him "expose" it all over the internet?

 

Unless of course, there's no conspiracy, or he's part of it.  Which is it?

[OG Fire Beaster]

This has been reported on nationally for awhile now. There is no question that the IRS singled out certain political views for excessive scrutiny. Maybe you are a part of a conspiracy? Some of your posts could certainly support that theory. Are you uninformed or trying to mislead?  Which is it?

[+Malamute]

Having been a "victim"(not really) of the "excessive"(not really but yes) scrutiny by the IRS on being a non profit organization with certain educational viewpoints;  I can say, even with the delays, I also feel that Non Profits SHOULD be scrutinized by the IRS. I think there should likely be a little less scrutiny than CPU was a target of, but I believe 90% of Non Profits deserve MORE scrutiny.

 

 I mean, a non profit is basically saying that Americans taxpayers are going to subsidize your organization by allowing your organization to not pay its "fair share" of taxes to support this great country.  SO because the Federal government is basically subsidizing these groups with "special tax breaks", they should definitely scrutinize these groups to make sure they are doing what they say and staying within the established guidelines.

 

 So, whine on about teabagger groups being targeted, they are only a higher number than "liberal" groups because during 2009 and 2010/11, there was a HUGE influx of teabagger groups filing for such non profit status from the government.  Many of those groups may or may not have deserved such special tax subsidies from the government.  I am sure they were properly researched and given proper guidelines from which to operate from.

 

 So, OVERALL, there should be MORE scrutiny of Non Profits,... but likely a little less on the extreme end such as a couple hundred groups like CPU were submitted to. But more overall oversight of all groups needs to be done to get out the bad players.

 

:-)

[Celliach]

This has been reported on nationally for awhile now. There is no question that the IRS singled out certain political views for excessive scrutiny. Maybe you are a part of a conspiracy? Some of your posts could certainly support that theory. Are you uninformed or trying to mislead?  Which is it?

 

I actually don't have a TV believe it or not. As a result, I'm not as exposed to the 24 hour news cycle as you may be.  I did see it reported that conservatives had been singled out.  I also saw recently that they didn't just target conservative groups, that Darrell Issa had the report slanted by asking the IRS to only report Tea Party groups that had been scrutinized and not to include other groups in that report.  I haven't read as much detail on the story as you apparently have, like the Huffington Post article, so I don't know who, or what is right.  I do know the IRS says they targeted more than one type of group, and that's what I based my former statement on.  That's why I wrote "apparently," because I don't know all the facts and don't know who is right.  How me not knowing which side is right in this case can be construed into a conspiracy is beyond me.

 

I have to agree with Mal though.  I think there should be more scrutiny on non-profits.  How many people are cheating on their taxes by hiding behind non-profit status?  How much does it cost you and I, as taxpayers every year because we have to cover those taxes that aren't being paid by the people hiding behind non-profit status?  Political groups aren't supposed to get non-profit status?  How many are misusing it?