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Plants are full of sugars.

Sugar can be sticky.

When you uproot a plant lots of small roots get broken, want to guess what might ooze out of a wounded plant?

From my experience with plants and extracting, I have found that plant sugars are not sticky until they are heated. What I extracted was on the outside of the root.
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Wow.

Have you ever eaten raw fruit?

 

There is a book called "The Believing Brain", it explains how evolutionary wise it was good to make quick decisions, kept our ancestors alive. It explains how people tend to form opinions first and then look for things to back up their opinions. Great book. Helped me to understand religious people and why they, in my opinion, believe some pretty silly things.

Have your root extract tested for thc, otherwise you are full of opinions based on only your opinion.

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There's no better tester than a patient. I'm blessed with patients who have been patients since the 70's. No fooling these guys. They know 'if it's in there'. Tests just guess at what patients know.

 

I'm really surprised you are basing all your 'science' on one test study that found no THC. That's easy to do isn't it? Any scientist can find a sorry marijuana plant with no THC in it. You can find them all day long if you want to. The trick is to find ones that actually have it, like I did.

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Pain relief equals thc, and you have the nerve to talk about junk science.

Pain relief can equal THC. Even better testing; When you have been a patient since the 70's, it's a familiar feeling when you encounter THC. It's not always combined with pain relief. I'm telling you that 'old' patients are very sensitive to THC in ways that testing can't even come close to. It comes from decades of practice.
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The thc  terpenoid is produced inside of the waxy glandular trichome bulbs. There is NONE in the roots of the plant. It is a disservice to the community to report thc content in roots of cannabis, based on a few marijuana users reports of euphoria. I've extracted from roots, the same way I could extract from flower tops, and I assure you there is nothing psychoactive in the results. but it is sticky,  like glue.

If patients like roots, sell them your roots . Psychosomatic response is powerful, and sometimes convincing, that's why we have tests available to quantify our results, as opposed to anecdotal experiences.  No doubt there is therapeutic value in all of the plant parts. Lots of substances are sticky, and THC isn't always sticky.

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I extracted in a way totally different than I usually do. I took the 2 18 gallon roots balls and did a quick wash to rinse the sticky stuff off the outside. Like I reported, after filtering I only got 3 grams of good oil off the whole 36 gallons of roots. This is an elite strain that has a lot of potential, if you know what I mean. Take it for what it is worth.

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Grassmatch, please keep your science and rational thoughts to yourself.

We are trying to have a completely irrational discussion here.

He has old people who know, how can four old people be wrong?

 

Edited to add: I have nothing against old people, in fact I hope to be one some day.

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Grassmatch Quote;

Psychosomatic response is powerful, and sometimes convincing



My patients have no problem with telling me when my buds or oil are weak. They actually seem to love the challenge. They know I depend on what they say to do better for them. They don't fake things or cut me any slack. You can cut down my testing process all you want. It is what it is and it works.

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Grassmatch, please keep your science and rational thoughts to yourself.

We are trying to have a completely irrational discussion here.

He has old people who know, how can four old people be wrong?

 

Edited to add: I have nothing against old people, in fact I hope to be one some day.

I don't know what your intentions are here but you sure are not making any friends right now.
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" because it was not water soluble"..... it must be THC ?  Maybe waxes? those are very popular compounds to be found in plant material, and are not water soluble. Besides, are you trying to inform the courts that roots also contain usable psychoactive compounds?  next they'll be weighing rootballs  because of you! lol

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The sticky substance on my hands from handling the roots was not water soluble. I had to use alcohol to wash it off. Therefore it definitely was not plant sugars, it was plant resin

 

with patients who have been patients since the 70's. No fooling these guys. They know 'if it's in there'. Tests just guess at what patients know.

 

Ok, I'm convinced. Your speculative evidence is overwhelming. (that's a tongue in cheek response). But of respect, and due, I will try it. I want it to be psychoactive by the way, and will be most grateful when it is, as well as apologetic. :blow-a-heart:  

I've just gathered  rootball, and yes, it's a dank elite also, called Face Off Og Kush cultivar who's flower tops are covered in bulbous waxy trichomes containing resinous thc and some hundreds of other terpenes. There has never been a doubt of the medicinal qualities, over the top euphoria, or pain killing abilities this wonder has.

 

I've washed it in alcohol, and now will winterize the resulting slurry, to remove plant waxes and water, but retain the alcohol with the available oils in solution. Later I'll weigh it, and gently warm it until 100% of the alcohol is recaptured, and what remains, well, I'll spark it up and let you know.

Is this how you would conduct this type of extract?

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I have several elite strains and only one of those produces sticky roots. If your roots are not sticky on the outside then you are most likely wasting your time. I only got 3 grams of good oil off 36 gallons of roots, now much roots are you planning on extracting there GM?

 

I use aeroponics in a geothermal, underground, set up that's probably a lot different than how you grow. Ever try that out grassmatch?

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I pulled three today and one was stickier than the rest, but I grow organically in dirt, so not sure if the dirt may wick away, or dry it up, where an aero may concentrate the insoluble ?   makes for some good thoughts though.  I know that thc is not circulatory, and I also know there is none in the roots, but who knows, maybe something else is?  Terpenes DO exist in roots, and THC is a terpene,sooooo...

 

interesting bits here;

 

Given our exhaustive use of the hemp and Cannabis plant - making use of the fiber, leaves, flowers, seeds and resin - it seems strange that there should be any element that has thus far escaped the notice of the modern herbalist. Perhaps because it usually spends its days hidden beneath the soil, the humble root is vastly under-explored, compared to the other components of the plant. However, looking at pre-prohibition medical- and veterinary literature, it is apparent that our ancestors (as with so many lost secrets and traditions) knew very well about its specific healing properties.

 

 

The first mention of hemp root as medicine can be found in the ancient Chinese pharmacopeia, the Shen Nung Pên-ts'ao Ching, as early as the third millennium BCE. It is stated that the juice of the root has diuretic properties, as well as being useful in assisting the cessation of hemorrhage after childbirth. Beyond its use in medicine, various Chinese texts attest to the importance of hemp root in 'gunpowder' preparations - it is roasted and powdered, before being mixed with bamboo root, pine pitch and various other substances, and ignited. There are several variations on the basic recipe, which result in incendiary powders, balls for catapults (which would ignite upon impact), smoke-powders and hand-grenades.

Elsewhere, it is stated that a paste made from the roots was used to relieve the pain of broken bones and surgical procedures. The Roman historian Pliny wrote in his Natural Histories, published circa 77-79 CE, that hemp root boiled in water could be used to relieve stiffness in the joints, gout and related conditions. He also noted that the root could be placed raw on burn wounds, but needed to be changed frequently to prevent drying out. Later, between the 4th and 5th centuries (CE), the Gaulish chronicler Marcellus Empiricus recorded in his opus De Medicamentis that the root was wrapped around the right arm, ostensibly as a treatment for worms.

 

 

Azerbaijani manuscripts written between the 9th and the 18th centuries (CE) also attest to widespread usage of hemp root decoctions (boiled extracts) and bandages for their antiseptic and antipyretic (fever-reducing) properties, particularly in the treatment of abscesses, ulcers and toothaches. Many herbals from the medieval and Early Modern periods have survived to the present, and references to hemp abound. Mentions of the root itself are few, but there are occasional notes. The Italian herbalist, Andreas Matthioli, wrote in the Old German Neuw Krëuterbuch (ca. 1550) that poultices made from the water-soaked roots were effective against gout and arthritis, as well as ulcers of the soft tissues. In 1564, Tabernaemontanus, another Italian herbalist, made similar notes.

A little more recently, early European settlers of the American continent brought many plants across the oceans with them, some of which were incorporated into the pharmacopeia of the indigenous peoples. Hemp became particularly important, and the root was apparently used to treat inflammation, joint pain, gout and muscular atrophy. By the later part of the 17th century, various herbals were recommending it, for the above purposes as well as to treat incontinence and venereal disease. A 1985 book by Nancy Locke Doane, which claims to be compiled from the records of her settler grandmother Minnie Susan Decker, goes into the herbal hemp remedies used during this time in some detail.
In Europe, Culpeper's Complete Herbal of 1653 described hemp root as being 'a good remedy for a dry cough', and also reported it to be effective against jaundice, colic, heavy bleeding, wasting of the tendons and various other complaints. He also mentions use of the fresh root-juice to treat burns. In 1696, a German physician in the employ of the Dutch Crown, Georg Eberhard Rumpf, reported on the use of hemp root against gonorrhea in Indonesia. The 1764 New English Dispensatory recommended boiled hemp root for inflammation of the skin, a treatment long used by the people of eastern Europe. The ointment could also be used to reduce the size of tumors and break down deposits in the joints (such as those caused by gout).

 

 

In the mid-19th century, a German text written by a woman named Rath Schlosser mentioned a complicated recipe in which the ashes of burnt hemp root are made into lye (sodium hydroxide, also known as caustic soda), then used to wash the hair and head - which is first covered with honey, presumably to guard against skin irritation or indeed corrosion. This treatment was believed to cause hair to regenerate - it is not clear if there is any basis for this, but their perceived effectiveness was certainly great enough that they were recorded for future generations.

Perhaps their effects were coincidental, or placebo, but research may well also find that there is some truth in the folklore. Certainly traditional hemp root remedies have persisted in many countries - for example Argentina, where a 1960 study reported that the root-bark is collected in spring and boiled to make a tonic that eases dysentery and other gastrointestinal complaints.

In much of the world, the main methods of preparation have been remarkably consistent through time, as have the various complaints it is credited with helping. The root is either applied raw, dried, boiled, soaked, roasted or occasionally reduced to ash. If boiled for a short time it can be drunk as a tea; if boiled for a longer time it reduces to a thick, dark extract resembling pitch or heavy oil. If it is dried - or roasted - and ground it forms a powder that can be rendered into salves or poultices; soaking it (usually after deconstructing it into its long component fibers) can produce a soothing, moist bandage for inflamed, burned or irritated skin.

 

 

A handful of studies look at the composition of hemp root and its medical potential. A 1971 study found that the roots contain terpenes - the fragrant resins for which Cannabis is widely known; these are the main constituents of the essential oils of many plants. Some terpenes (linked isoprene [C₅H₈] units), are thought to have a humectant, expectorant effect, which may benefit those suffering from bronchial illnesses. Friedelin is one terpene that has been definitely identified in hemp root, and has been independently found to be anti-inflammatory, antipyretic and analgesic in effect; epifriedelinol is another, present in many medicinal herbs - although its exact effect is unknown.

Other research has shown that the roots contain significant concentrations of alkaloids, including piperidine and pyrrolidine, which are highly important in the synthesis of pharmaceuticals; choline, a dietary amine that is essential for the integrity of cell membranes; and atropine - a powerful alkaloid, usually extracted from the belladonna (deadly nightshade) plant, which when used as eye-drops famously dilates the pupil. When ingested as a supplement, atropine can reduce bronchial secretions, and relaxes the muscles and glands of the parasympathetic nervous system, which controls the function of most of the internal organs. It is thought to be helpful for correct function of the digestive system and kidneys, as well as sexual arousal. Hemp root has also been found to contain other alkaloid groups known as phenolic amides and lignanamides, believed to have anti-inflammatory and analgesic effects.
There is some suggestion that two alkaloids present in hemp root, Cannabisativine and isoCannabisativine, adversely affect the central nervous system and are hepatotoxic (toxic to the liver). However, some research points to the existence of spermidine in these alkaloids, which has anti-aging cellular properties and may also benefit those suffering from Type II diabetes. Research into this has been limited, and it is unclear if there is an entirely safe method of ingesting hemp root extracts. The pure, boiled extract should not be taken internally, although a tea boiled for less time, as previously stated, may have beneficial effects.

A 2008 study performed at Leiden University in the Netherlands, which processed hemp root with various different solvents to extract the active ingredients, found the resulting substance to be a mixture of lipids and sugars, with some other compounds mixed in. Although they acknowledge that the procedure led to various constituents being destroyed, they did discover the presence of a glycoside, a type of organic molecule that can helped to eliminate poisons from the body by binding with them chemically and rendering them inactive. The original hypothesis was that acetylcholine esterase inhibitors, which are often alkaloid, would be found in hemp root - THC itself is considered to be an important inhibitor in its own right, and the researchers believed that other similar compounds could be identified. While results were inconclusive, there is potential for future studies to be undertaken, shedding further light on the issue.

 

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I have grown aero, but not underground, well, maybe I should rephrase that...hehe

I cut three plants , one in a one gallon bag, and the other two were in two gallon pots. If there's a drop of oil remaining my tami will detect it. I can pull oil out of a acetone washed steel ball bearing, truth.

I have several elite strains and only one of those produces sticky roots. If your roots are not sticky on the outside then you are most likely wasting your time. I only got 3 grams of good oil off 36 gallons of roots, now much roots are you planning on extracting there GM?

I use aeroponics in a geothermal, underground, set up that's probably a lot different than how you grow. Ever try that out grassmatch?

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I have grown aero, but not underground, well, maybe I should rephrase that...hehe

I cut three plants , one in a one gallon bag, and the other two were in two gallon pots. If there's a drop of oil remaining my tami will detect it. I can pull oil out of a acetone washed steel ball bearing, truth.

Never tested any of my dirt roots. Aero is a whole different animal. Especially the root system. Have you wrapped your mind around 36 gallons of roots yet?
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