Will Dispensaries Employ The Services Of Good Caregivers In Our Future?

[trichcycler]

When they legally come, and they will, do you think we'll be able to supply them ?

[free420country]

I think if.they win we lose

[trichcycler]

dunno. I visited early on, but got scared away when they needed to copy my info.

 

I figure once regulated that hopefully the cream rises to the top and the dispensaries

will represent specific growers maybe like they do in cali. I see a chance for cg's to actually make a living 'with their passion

instead of hobbying at it. 

[trichcycler]

if they do come legally I'd love to help them out !

Edited October 30, 2013 by grassmatch

[trichcycler]

I know right, but its really us making all the darn mistakes that brings these legislative ideals into play. The rules were made and we just cant seem to follow them, so they started clamping down and redefining it for us simpletons.

I think it will turn around and get back on track if we can get extracts back into the hands of medical researchers in our state.  we can hope

[Kingdiamond]

The money to fund this win will come from out of state so will their supply next will be the monopoly awarded to the provisioning centers by no longer permitting home grows .

[jimmiej48]

I would not be happy they stop permitting home grows. I'm not a ferm believer in the dispensaries : (

[Kingdiamond]

I would not be happy they stop permitting home grows. I'm not a ferm believer in the dispensaries : (

There is a definite need for dispensaries and I am ok with the provisioning centers  as long as opening them doesn't affect the CG  or Patients grow rights.

[trichcycler]

I do, but the site is full of people that didnt follow some law or another to get their butts in trouble, and ultimately redefine our original act. I suspect this will not ever cease, and each of our provisions in the act will be eroded to a few plants stuffed in a small area, for personal use.

You seem to follow the rules just fine, grassmatch, based on your other posts.

[Norby]

I think you're looking at it the wrong way.  Since when have they told people on vicadin that they couldn't drive with it in the front seat because someone got into an accident on pain pills?  Since when did they switch from public service announcements to lock up your meds to throwing people in jail if their medicine cabinet door wasn't locked?

  It's not the people who aren't following the law that are responsible for the laws being interpreted differently or changed, it's the politicians or the committee in charge.  People will always do wrong but taking away rights will never stop that it'll just make more criminals.  It's outright unfair treatment compared to the comparables in the rest of society. You can drive with a six pack valium and pain pills all in the front seat of you car.  You can medicate or drink these anywhere as long as the label is hidden.  It isn't because people "acted wrong" that we're being treated the way we are.

Edited October 30, 2013 by Norby

[trichcycler]

good point. but I cant ignore the fact that there are NO dispensaries, because some opened illegally, and so on.  I haven't been pulled over by a cop since the last time I broke the law. If I was, and had a sack in the front seat, I would feel like I let the whole mmj community down, and would know that I put our act at risk by my actions, therefore, I am sure I am legal at all times, as should all card holders. I don't like the way these laws are written either, but you have to admit that medical marijuana would have been better off without these law breakers exploiting the act for profit right out of the gate.

Those pills mentioned make a lot of profit for a lot of people, resulting in specific orders, maybe hands off for now on the oxy drivers? I have a friend who is a school bus driver and she told me only recently did admin stop the oxy driving. They knew, and allowed it go on, for an example, for years..... but until enough good people do something constructive about the pill mill society we coax, this profit and "criminal" preferential treatment will continue. I suspect that big pharma is the force behind all of our cannabis woes. Some of these politico's go home and toke, but they have a job to do, and their boss is the one who has infiltrated our very government controls and legal structure, welcome to the Corpocracy.  Its gonna be a wild ride for awhile !

[Celliach]

I can't believe the question that starts this topic was even asked.

 

No they won't.  They will import it from their own grow operations in California and Colorado just like many are doing right now.  Why pay for something that you are growing?

[Norby]

good point. but I cant ignore the fact that there are NO dispensaries, because some opened illegally, and so on.  I haven't been pulled over by a cop since the last time I broke the law. If I was, and had a sack in the front seat, I would feel like I let the whole mmj community down, and would know that I put our act at risk by my actions, therefore, I am sure I am legal at all times, as should all card holders. I don't like the way these laws are written either, but you have to admit that medical marijuana would have been better off without these law breakers exploiting the act for profit right out of the gate.

Those pills mentioned make a lot of profit for a lot of people, resulting in specific orders, maybe hands off for now on the oxy drivers? I have a friend who is a school bus driver and she told me only recently did admin stop the oxy driving. They knew, and allowed it go on, for an example, for years..... but until enough good people do something constructive about the pill mill society we coax, this profit and "criminal" preferential treatment will continue. I suspect that big pharma is the force behind all of our cannabis woes. Some of these politico's go home and toke, but they have a job to do, and their boss is the one who has infiltrated our very government controls and legal structure, welcome to the Corpocracy.  Its gonna be a wild ride for awhile !

I agree that it's a black eye for the way some think and for some it's a black eye towards the ones harassing us.  But there are those that will view us with a black eye specifically for what we do and there's no pleasing them.

  I'm new and not familiar with the interpretation of the law as dispensaries went.  I'm all for dispensaries if they also take overages locally and don't affect our grow rights and caregiver relationships.  Republicans are for choices in health care and reduction in cost they should be all for this?  Some people sell there scripts, does that reflect bad on all doctors?  or all patients for that matter?  . I'm all for ease of access for patients and rights of the individual.  I don't like Mcd's but I don't think people shouldn't be able to go there.  If I want to try a bunch of strains to find out which works I should be able to go to a dispensary and find what works and look for a caregiver who has those strains.  I should be able to try a caregivers meds before I sign with them.  If it takes me 2+ months to get to try my caregivers meds and I don't like them then I have to start the process over agains and it's 6+ months till I get good meds, hopefully.  It's hard to be compassionate and have these laws to follow.  It'll break my heart but when I start to interview patients there's no meds till the cards arrive.  And that SUX.  I'm doing this to help people and it's a passion for me.  I give away half or more of my veggies, fruits,eggs, garlic, etc. each year to friends and love doing it but I can't give a sample to a possible patient of something that'll do more than fill their stomach it'll alleviate pain and suffering.  I'm pretty bitter over that.

  I've been pulled over twice in 20 years, I drive like a grandpa.  I do agree you shouldn't drive in a car that you can smell the meds 3 cars back at 60mph, but I don't think it warrants not being able to have it in the front of the car at all.  I see what your saying but I still blame the powers that be for the solutions(problems).  Are there stupid people out there? Yes, but laws can't fix stupid.

[Norby]

It is hard to believe that anybody thinks the Legislature will pass a bill that positively effects patients and their caregivers. I hope our community observed what happened last session.

Sorry, too new for that.  All I saw was a news article saying green initiatives were the only things the legislature could agree on and painted Mi as a place that was moving towards legalizing.

[+Malamute]

Only if they have to...

[jointedone]

The only way these scumbag politicos will go for our MMJ law is if something is in it for THEM. Like TAXING it. I hate the fact that neither party will even discuss this issue. They are so spineless. You would think a 63% vote should be paid attention to. Not even candidates get that high of a % from voters. So why would anybody think that changing Lansing would do anything? We already know it won't. Where does the $ from the fees go? A slush fund for another jerk politician? I don't know if I will even vote this time. I have voted in every election since I was 18. And I remember it was for George Mc Govern. My parents were very involved in State politics....and most of the people they supported are still in office. Half senile,but still there. I guess when they die they just stuff them and put them back in their seats.

Edited October 30, 2013 by jointedone

[GregS]

It depends how things shake out. All out decrim would open the door to that. Legalization will require more legal entanglements, and may or may not address it. Under the current law, no. HB4271 certainly does not permit it. .

[trichcycler]

Believe it man ! I put it out there, I swear I did ! I saw myself do it !

 

I know of NO dispensary that didn't use local product, even if it was next to an import, when they were opened. I wonder why that would change ? Afterall a legally operated registered provisioning center will have to provide information as the origin of its product, and mailing marijuana is illegal. I believe the first legal one will be owned and operated by a Michigander actually, one with their foot already in the doors, or several even, like the casino ball players, or talk show dispensary owners...

I can't believe the question that starts this topic was even asked.

 

No they won't.  They will import it from their own grow operations in California and Colorado just like many are doing right now.  Why pay for something that you are growing?

[jointedone]

They charge too much. And you have to drive to them. They rush you out the door as fast as they can,and you just want to get the heck out of there. Then you look into your rearview car mirror all the way home,wondering if LEO was watching.

[trichcycler]

Six to be exact, remaining unnamed of course. no need to trust that info, just hear my words. I did help out once, but got scared after that. I breed some real fire and seeds were a commodity then.

The scenes were not comfortable like I imagined them to be. I really wanted to see white lab coats, hair nets, clean clothes, but that's not what I ever saw. I will not deny that imports were not under the shelf also, but the truth is they would rather have done it locally, as they loudly yelled about in the beginning. When growers started showing up to the door with substandard product, and they were forced to pick it up or go without, they imported, as much as necessary, and many were caught. At the same time they also encouraged good growers with enticing offers of cash, way more than the lowly 225 I collect per, sometimes more than twice that ! There was real incentive for many to enterprise, make promises to patients that they didn't keep, and cash in if they were able to produce the quality expected. Not one of the imports showed up by driver, who would surely have to break laws to transfer. They chose to use the mail system, as do many dealers according to the news. It is true they can make a better profit this way, as the sun is free, but IF they were legalized in our state, I wondered how they would LEGALLY procure their wares is all, and growers' thoughts here on the subject.

I actually never considered that importing would somehow be legalized for these provisioning centers, but I suppose anything is possible. I bet any that have express permissions in the future will not risk that investment with funny business. My guess is a facility that is certified, or at least provided certifiable product, will be contracted, maybe more than a dozen? for each one. Wouldn't that be cool to be one of those ?

[GregS]

Six to be exact, remaining unnamed of course. no need to trust that info, just hear my words. I did help out once, but got scared after that. I breed some real fire and seeds were a commodity then.

The scenes were not comfortable like I imagined them to be. I really wanted to see white lab coats, hair nets, clean clothes, but that's not what I ever saw. I will not deny that imports were not under the shelf also, but the truth is they would rather have done it locally, as they loudly yelled about in the beginning. When growers started showing up to the door with substandard product, and they were forced to pick it up or go without, they imported, as much as necessary, and many were caught. At the same time they also encouraged good growers with enticing offers of cash, way more than the lowly 225 I collect per, sometimes more than twice that ! There was real incentive for many to enterprise, make promises to patients that they didn't keep, and cash in if they were able to produce the quality expected. Not one of the imports showed up by driver, who would surely have to break laws to transfer. They chose to use the mail system, as do many dealers according to the news. It is true they can make a better profit this way, as the sun is free, but IF they were legalized in our state, I wondered how they would LEGALLY procure their wares is all, and growers' thoughts here on the subject.

I actually never considered that importing would somehow be legalized for these provisioning centers, but I suppose anything is possible. I bet any that have express permissions in the future will not risk that investment with funny business. My guess is a facility that is certified, or at least provided certifiable product, will be contracted, maybe more than a dozen? for each one. Wouldn't that be cool to be one of those ?

A different legislative schema would have to be devised to permit cultivation to meet demand in order to see your, or anyone else's, cool idea work. What you describe is a system that is not permitted by law, and those involved were unable to meet demand with locally grown product because caregivers are prohibited from selling to any but their registry connected patients, unless they opt to work under the provisions of the affirmative defense that has the requirements that medical use is permitted only between patients and caregivers, and that carries what some argue is excessive risk.

[trichcycler]

I've had several patients registered at once, while they still grew for their five patients..

[GregS]

I've had several patients registered at once, while they still grew for their five patients..

What's your point?

[shishka]

Dispensaries are currently purchasing from caregivers. What may change is that they will want to have operations "in house".

 

In that case they will need experienced growers. How will they know who's experienced and who can provide a steady supply of quality meds?

 

That is shaking out right now as we type.

 

Is it fair? No, probably not, but as I've seen, sitting on the sidelines waiting for things to be all legal and safe does not benefit oneself.

 

Look at the dispensaries up and running in A2 with the city councils blessing. Did they wait patiently? Nope, jumped right in and were rewarded with being grandfathered in, then the caps came and if you weren't one of the first to open you are out of luck.

 

Same thing in Ypsi.

[bobandtorey]

How many dispensaries gave you an in-depth knowledge of their operations? Do you have real confidence in what you are saying? Where do the dispensaries get their stock now?

LOL so true

i have been offered a job at one sweeping the floor   taking out the trash and so on can't wait to start my new Job after my in-depth knowledge of there operations