Hb4271/hb5104 As Passed House- Sb660 Senate Concurred

[bobandtorey]

It's going to make it hard for Leo to arrest anyone on the side of the road and arrest will go down and if you are a young Lawyer starting off or coming to Mich. to make $$

 

on Cannabis arrest this new Law will make you stop and think

[t-pain]

imo the limit on oil is built into the 2.5oz max. you cant make much oil with 2.5 usable...

[+Malamute]

My main grumpy is the labeling all usable marijuana in public. Pain in the arse.

[t-pain]

also, these idiots that make these bills. 

 

you arent protected by having USABLE marihuana in public unless labelled and packaged.

 

i guess that means carrying around some unusable wet marihuana w/ stalks is just fine.

Edited December 13, 2013 by t-pain

[+Malamute]

Pt/Cg's can't sell seeds to provisioning centers it seems also.

[Wild Bill]

the 4a definition is still there wildbill.

 

Will the Court of Appeals understand this?

[t-pain]

My main grumpy is the labeling all usable marijuana in public. Pain in the arse.

 

you're ok with labelling edibles in your own home ?

[t-pain]

Will the Court of Appeals understand this?

i dont think any court or police understands 'protection from arrest in ANY MANNER'.

[Restorium2]

Oil? Forget about it. Start talking in terms of liquid or solid. Keep it simple. The old 'oil' is now cannabis infused liquid. Make it so it's liquid at room temperature.

[+Malamute]

All labeling is retarded.

 

 But this is one of the costs so far for the other stuff.  Let's hope it doesn't get worse in the Senate... :-)

[Wild Bill]

i dont think any court or police understands 'protection from arrest in ANY MANNER'.

[+washtenaut]

I hate reading about an arrest with cannabis where the defendant was found to have a digital scale.  The report always seems to imply that anyone having a scale must be a drug dealer.  With weight restrictions on legal users, it only makes sense that legal users will possess accurate scales in an attempt to remain legal.  Hopefully sometime soon the police and the reporters will make this connection

[trichcycler]

now, maybe if we can all agree to work within the law, in all aspects of our life, just maybe we might not "need" more definitions and restrictions this time around.

Anyone wishing to challenge the law might consider the costs of legal defense especially before making any decision starting with "I think this will be legal".

 

I think the whole thing is crazy, allowing a few hundred politicians to decide which ancient herbal remedies we can consume in our own homes, and should be challenged until the herb is free, but responsibly, with finesse and professionalism.

[shishka]

they want you to label and weigh your usable marihuana if you carry it in public.

how would i weigh my usable marihuana ? buy a scale?

how would i package my usable marihuana? some kind of pill bottle? this seems to limit plastic baggies.

 

[(P) IN A PUBLIC PLACE, THE PRIVILEGE FROM ARREST UNDER SUBSECTION

(A) OR (B) DOES NOT APPLY UNLESS ALL OF THE FOLLOWING APPLY:

(1) THE USABLE MARIHUANA AND MARIHUANA-INFUSED PRODUCT ARE PACKAGED

AND EACH PACKAGE IS LABELED WITH THE WEIGHT OF THE USABLE MARIHUANA.

(2) THE TOTAL WEIGHT INDICATED ON THE PACKAGE LABELS IS NOT MORE

THAN THE AMOUNT PERMITTED UNDER SUBSECTION (A) OR (B). THE INDICATED

WEIGHT IS PRESUMED TO BE TRUE AND CORRECT. HOWEVER, THIS PRESUMPTION DOES

NOT PROHIBIT A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL FROM ARRESTING AN INDIVIDUAL IF

THERE IS AN ARTICULABLE SUSPICION THAT THE INDICATED WEIGHT IS NOT

CORRECT AND THE TOTAL WEIGHT IS GREATER THAN THE AMOUNT PERMITTED UNDER

SUBSECTION (A) OR (B).]

 

 

NPRA can go flower themselves.

how would i package my usable marihuana? some kind of pill bottle? this seems to limit plastic baggies. Plastic baggie and a sharpie seems easy enough. When in doubt over estimate. Going out for the evening with 7 grams, write 28 grams on the baggie, still legal.

 

I hate reading about an arrest with cannabis where the defendant was found to have a digital scale.  The report always seems to imply that anyone having a scale must be a drug dealer.  With weight restrictions on legal users, it only makes sense that legal users will possess accurate scales in an attempt to remain legal.  Hopefully sometime soon the police and the reporters will make this connection

HOWEVER, THIS PRESUMPTION DOES

NOT PROHIBIT A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL FROM ARRESTING AN INDIVIDUAL IF

THERE IS AN ARTICULABLE SUSPICION THAT THE INDICATED WEIGHT IS NOT

CORRECT AND THE TOTAL WEIGHT IS GREATER THAN THE AMOUNT PERMITTED UNDER

SUBSECTION (A) OR (B).]

 

Because of this the digi will be riding shotgun at all times, with a 50 gram calibration weight in it's original packaging just in case the officer wants to be silly..

 

The first thing I did when becoming a patient was to buy a scale. I would hope every patient/caregiver has one.

[+Malamute]

http://www.kingsleynorth.com/skshop/product.php?id=97308&catID=347

 

http://www.kingsleynorth.com/skshop/product.php?id=91780&catID=347

 

$10 and $15

[bobandtorey]

I wonder how Ms. Cooper  the prosecutor of Oakland County feels about this new Law 

[t-pain]

When in doubt over estimate. Going out for the evening with 7 grams, write 28 grams on the baggie, still legal.

 

i thought that was a good idea too, except for this part:

 

HOWEVER, THIS PRESUMPTION DOES

NOT PROHIBIT A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL FROM ARRESTING AN INDIVIDUAL IF

THERE IS AN ARTICULABLE SUSPICION THAT THE INDICATED WEIGHT IS NOT

CORRECT AND THE TOTAL WEIGHT IS GREATER THAN THE AMOUNT PERMITTED UNDER

SUBSECTION (A) OR (B).

 

you can ignore the 'total weight is greater' part. the police, prosecutors and judges will.

 

heres what the cop will say when he arrests you for having a 28G baggie (actually it must be in ounces) with only 7G usable marihuana in it:

 

 

i arrested the defendant because , in my experience in previous cases where i have been a drug detective, when you have a large bag and a small amount of weed in the bag, it means the defendant was selling marihuana.

Edited December 13, 2013 by t-pain

[t-pain]

or

 

 

defendent said he had smoked the other 11G, so i arrested him for DUI. a blood pull showed 6 ng/ml and defendant couldnt walk a straight line.

 

somehow i doubt a baggie and sharpie is what LEO wanted when they added packaging and labelling to the bill.

Edited December 13, 2013 by t-pain

[Celliach]

I wonder how Ms. Cooper  the prosecutor of Oakland County feels about this new Law 

Not a law yet.

[t-pain]

Vote counts via House Journal:

 

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(lch1bmbbs3azay55juxppdjj))/documents/2013-2014/Journal/House/htm/2013-HJ-12-12-106.htm

 

anyone know why talabi voted no?

[Wild Bill]

I hate reading about an arrest with cannabis where the defendant was found to have a digital scale.  The report always seems to imply that anyone having a scale must be a drug dealer.  With weight restrictions on legal users, it only makes sense that legal users will possess accurate scales in an attempt to remain legal.  Hopefully sometime soon the police and the reporters will make this connection

 

When I was raided they took sandwich bags from my kitchen and called them packaging materials.

[Norby]

72 ounces of 'tincture' is quite reasonable. 9 cups if you are using all your 2.5 for your medical tincture. Who's to say what the ratio of alcohol should be in your medical tincture? It just has to be fluid at room temperature.

how would cannacoconut oil fit in?  liquid or solid?

[imiubu]

how would cannacoconut oil fit in?  liquid or solid?

Depends upon the temperature

Honestly, idk.

[Norby]

What about hash and kief?  Still useable mj?  What about shatter and wax and the like? 16oz = 1 oz?

[Norby]

coconut oil is sold in fl. oz.  each jar is 14 fl. oz. so it'd be labeled when full and easy to figure in or estimate.