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Health care is floating the costs of seniors on the backs of young people who don't get sick.  And by law the unsick get stuck with the bill for those who do get sick.  And behold!  The program does not cover the one major out-of-pocket cost for the young, and that is mmj.  

Same unfairness in social security--the few young workers pay for the senior recipients.

i'm 60, one of the beneficiaries of this financial screwing of the young.

When mandatory euthenasia for seniors arrives, this will be the burr that raised it...

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This country sees it as its duty to care for the aged and infirm. I, and many others, see this as a moral duty. Despite what all the naysayer conservatives say, the programs set up to care for old people are in no danger of going "broke". They will only go broke if the conservatives are allowed to run them into the ground by not financing them. Conservatives hate these programs and will do anything they can to stop them.

 

Apparently people who are well off are rather stingy when it comes to spending money. They do not like to pay taxes because they receive much less in benefits than they pay in. They do not like the government taking their money and giving it to people that they feel are "unworthy" of receiving it.

 

To them I say: America. Love it or leave it. Trouble is there is no better place for them to go. Everybody wants their money.

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What a douchebag.

 

Medicare is an INSURANCE program for Seniors which not only have they paid for all their working lifetime, they pay a monthly fee to even have Medicare.  I would have to look again, but it is around $100/monthish+-.

 

 Social Security is a retirement program that has lowered Senior destitute poverty levels from around 47% to about 15%+-.  You pay into it just like any program while you are working and then similar to life insurance, you get paid when you retire at a predetermined age set forth by Congress.  Social Security over the course of its existence has run at a positive income. Thus the complaints of raiding the Social Security Fund and Al Gore trying to pass a "Social Security Lockbox" that would have protected the excess yearly funding of SS into a different fund so they quit spending our money on unneeded military expenses. :-)

 

 We live in a Society and doing such requires certain tolerances and sacrifices to said Society to make it better. these programs have completely changed the face of America with at least 3 generations plus their families living in the same household and 100% supporting your elderly parents and disabled family members.  By everyone pitching in some, we have allowed a better society.  Much much better. 

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Jebus,Chaunchy are you a NAZI? Who the feck are you,God? Bet you don't work either........ if you did, that would make the person paying your salary a "stingy" person. Have you EVER saved a cent? Why are YOU entitled to anything more than the rest of us unwashed masses? How bout YOU volunteer first,you know,for the GREATER GOOD. Yeah? Didn't think so. You're the guy that watched the trains pull into the Death Camps but knew NOTHING about it.

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Jebus,Chaunchy are you a NAZI? Who the feck are you,God? Bet you don't work either........ if you did, that would make the person paying your salary a "stingy" person. Have you EVER saved a cent? Why are YOU entitled to anything more than the rest of us unwashed masses? How bout YOU volunteer first,you know,for the GREATER GOOD. Yeah? Didn't think so. You're the guy that watched the trains pull into the Death Camps but knew NOTHING about it.

 

You apparently have a mind set that has been cultivated by the hand wringers on the right (conservatives/Republicans) who have been preaching for years that the end of the world is here. The problem with these people is that they rely on their emotions instead of their intellect in order to form their views of the world. The right wingers throw out gobs of "slightly" twisted facts and then whip their followers into a frenzy.

 

Social security and Medicare are complicated problems that require a person to sit down and examine the facts in order to come to a sensible conclusion about the programs future.

 

The baby boomer generation is like a large rat that has been swallowed by a snake. It passes through the system in a big lump and gets smaller as it gets digested by the host before being excreted. The baby boomers are an anomaly. We will be through the system in another 20-30 years and then the process will return to normal. In the meantime, the Social Security program will require a few minor tweaks in order for it to stay solvent while the boomers head towards the big anal expungement at the end of their time. There are all manners of ways to "fix" the system. Google it.

 

Medicare, and in fact the entire system of medical care in this country, needs to be completely overhauled...period. It is only going broke because of the greed inherent in the current system.

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Duh,you fancy city folks use all of them big words when you can't answer a straight out question. Oh and thanks a pantload to all you libturd fools that believed the lie. You too will suffer. Who will you blame that on? YOURSELVES FOR ELECTING A SOCIALIST? And because I feel so superior to you,I can see right though your stupid lies. A libturd capatalist, oh,the irony! And that's exactly what you are,a blowhard "highly educated" capatalist. Hypocrite libturd. Go to a REAL political site and do some reading brainiac,and see what deep horse crap your lying killer party is REALLY doing. Oh,and if you have money,it's not yours. You didn't earn it. You need to redistribute it to the rest of us.Gee,where have I heard that crap before.............And thanks FDR for the IRS. Taxation is illegal. Try reading the Constitiution before the puffington post. Oh and isn't your employer a "stingy rich person?" My my,aren't we the chosen one! gee you don't make much moola if you only pay 5 grand in taxes. Is that the State taxing the money they give you that my Husband works his butt off for? Keep talking, poindexter. Just shows how bent you really are.

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Duh,you fancy city folks use all of them big words when you can't answer a straight out question. Oh and thanks a pantload to all you libturd fools that believed the lie. You too will suffer. Who will you blame that on? YOURSELVES FOR ELECTING A SOCIALIST? And because I feel so superior to you,I can see right though your stupid lies. A libturd capatalist, oh,the irony! And that's exactly what you are,a blowhard "highly educated" capatalist. Hypocrite libturd. Go to a REAL political site and do some reading brainiac,and see what deep horse crap your lying killer party is REALLY doing. Oh,and if you have money,it's not yours. You didn't earn it. You need to redistribute it to the rest of us.Gee,where have I heard that crap before.............And thanks FDR for the IRS. Taxation is illegal. Try reading the Constitiution before the puffington post. Oh and isn't your employer a "stingy rich person?" My my,aren't we the chosen one! gee you don't make much moola if you only pay 5 grand in taxes. Is that the State taxing the money they give you that my Husband works his butt off for? Keep talking, poindexter. Just shows how bent you really are.

 

This is exactly what I am talking about when I say that people who live in Faux News World are living in a parallel universe that is totally unaffected by reality or facts.

 

http://www.ourdocuments.gov/doc.php?flash=true&doc=57

 

 

 

Passed by Congress on July 2, 1909, and ratified February 3, 1913, the 16th amendment established Congress's right to impose a Federal income tax.

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Far-reaching in its social as well as its economic impact, the income tax amendment became part of the Constitution by a curious series of events culminating in a bit of political maneuvering that went awry.

The financial requirements of the Civil War prompted the first American income tax in 1861. At first, Congress placed a flat 3-percent tax on all incomes over $800 and later modified this principle to include a graduated tax. Congress repealed the income tax in 1872, but the concept did not disappear.

After the Civil War, the growing industrial and financial markets of the eastern United States generally prospered. But the farmers of the south and west suffered from low prices for their farm products, while they were forced to pay high prices for manufactured goods. Throughout the 1860s, 1870s, and 1880s, farmers formed such political organizations as the Grange, the Greenback Party, the National Farmers’ Alliance, and the People’s (Populist) Party. All of these groups advocated many reforms (see the Interstate Commerce Act) considered radical for the times, including a graduated income tax.

In 1894, as part of a high tariff bill, Congress enacted a 2-percent tax on income over $4,000. The tax was almost immediately struck down by a five-to-four decision of the Supreme Court, even though the Court had upheld the constitutionality of the Civil War tax as recently as 1881. Although farm organizations denounced the Court’s decision as a prime example of the alliance of government and business against the farmer, a general return of prosperity around the turn of the century softened the demand for reform. Democratic Party Platforms under the leadership of three-time Presidential candidate William Jennings Bryan, however, consistently included an income tax plank, and the progressive wing of the Republican Party also espoused the concept.

In 1909 progressives in Congress again attached a provision for an income tax to a tariff bill. Conservatives, hoping to kill the idea for good, proposed a constitutional amendment enacting such a tax; they believed an amendment would never received ratification by three-fourths of the states. Much to their surprise, the amendment was ratified by one state legislature after another, and on February 25, 1913, with the certification by Secretary of State Philander C. Knox, the 16th amendment took effect. Yet in 1913, due to generous exemptions and deductions, less than 1 percent of the population paid income taxes at the rate of only 1 percent of net income.

This document settled the constitutional question of how to tax income and, by so doing, effected dramatic changes in the American way of life.

(Information excerpted from Milestone Documents in the National Archives [Washington, DC: National Archives and Records Administration, 1995] pp.

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Duh,you fancy city folks use all of them big words when you can't answer a straight out question. Oh and thanks a pantload to all you libturd fools that believed the lie. You too will suffer. Who will you blame that on? YOURSELVES FOR ELECTING A SOCIALIST? And because I feel so superior to you,I can see right though your stupid lies. A libturd capatalist, oh,the irony! And that's exactly what you are,a blowhard "highly educated" capatalist. Hypocrite libturd.     Go to a REAL political site and do some reading brainiac,and see what deep horse crap your lying killer party is REALLY doing.    Oh,and if you have money,it's not yours. You didn't earn it. You need to redistribute it to the rest of us.Gee,where have I heard that crap before.............And thanks FDR for the IRS. Taxation is illegal. Try reading the Constitiution before the puffington post. Oh and isn't your employer a "stingy rich person?" My my,aren't we the chosen one! gee you don't make much moola if you only pay 5 grand in taxes. Is that the State taxing the money they give you that my Husband works his butt off for? Keep talking, poindexter. Just shows how bent you really are.

There's your problem in a nutshell. You are getting your mind all full of lies and hate at that web site. The brain is a muscle and it will train the way you train it. If you spend your time strengthing your mind in a hateful way your whole life will be full of it. Teach it to be strong and KIND, not strong and hateful. You will have a better life.
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Gee you are all smart enough to read Saul Alinskys books. Did ONE of you see prez on TV today and actually LISTEN to him? The bigger the lie,the more the liberal talks....blah blah blah. And NEVER answers one question. One of Sauls very workable suggestions. All you guys care about is MJ and what you can get for FREE. Nothing is FREE. My Father fought in Europe for YOUR freedom too. Oh and my parents were active Democrats. They taught us to think for ourselves and elected most of the bums that are STILL in office today. Somehow I don't think my Dad would approve of socialism. And now you want to get into the CIVIL WAR? Dems,the Party of Slavery and the KKK? Gov George Wallace refusing black students admittance to school? Segregation? But i am sure you all will find some site that will say ole Abe didn't pass a Constitutional admendment to aboloish slavery,huh?

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Duh,you fancy city folks use all of them big words when you can't answer a straight out question. Oh and thanks a pantload to all you libturd fools that believed the lie. You too will suffer. Who will you blame that on? YOURSELVES FOR ELECTING A SOCIALIST? And because I feel so superior to you,I can see right though your stupid lies. A libturd capatalist, oh,the irony! And that's exactly what you are,a blowhard "highly educated" capatalist. Hypocrite libturd. Go to a REAL political site and do some reading brainiac,and see what deep horse crap your lying killer party is REALLY doing. Oh,and if you have money,it's not yours. You didn't earn it. You need to redistribute it to the rest of us.Gee,where have I heard that crap before............My my,aren't we the chosen one! gee you don't make much moola if you only pay 5 grand in taxes. Is that the State taxing the money they give you that my Husband works his butt off for? Keep talking, poindexter. Just shows how bent you really are. 

.And thanks FDR for the IRS. Taxation is illegal. Try reading the Constitiution before the puffington post. Oh and isn't your employer a "stingy rich person?" 

 

In an effort to provide a more reasonable discussion based on factual data: The first Income Tax was passed for a relatively brief period when then Pres Lincoln along with that current  US Congress  enacted an Income Tax (the Revenue Act of 1862) to pay for the cost of the Civil War, however it was allowed to be extinguished 11 years later in 1872.

 

Next month marks the 101st  anniversary of the passing of the 16th amendment which  founded the current IRS in Feb 1913. It occurred during the administration of Pres Woodrow Wilson . This was only a precursor to his most infamous act, the passing of the Federal Reserve Act on Dec 23, 1913.  100 years ago that was the lump of coal left for our Christmas that year. 

 

WW-1 originally called the European War was right around the corner, beginning July 28, 1914. If you included the outbreak of the Spanish Flue which was pretty much the most punishing facet to human life during this period. It became the deciding factor in ending this unprecedented land grab. Strangely enough though, Spain had remained neutral throughout the "Great ? War". 

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Gee you are all smart enough to read Saul Alinskys books. Did ONE of you see prez on TV today and actually LISTEN to him? The bigger the lie,the more the liberal talks....blah blah blah. And NEVER answers one question. One of Sauls very workable suggestions. All you guys care about is MJ and what you can get for FREE. Nothing is FREE. My Father fought in Europe for YOUR freedom too. Oh and my parents were active Democrats. They taught us to think for ourselves and elected most of the bums that are STILL in office today. Somehow I don't think my Dad would approve of socialism. And now you want to get into the CIVIL WAR? Dems,the Party of Slavery and the KKK? Gov George Wallace refusing black students admittance to school? Segregation? But i am sure you all will find some site that will say ole Abe didn't pass a Constitutional admendment to aboloish slavery,huh?

 

 

Holy crap. You are really out there. None of the stuff you have said here makes any sense. Oh, and I don't want to continue this discussion. There is no point in it.

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There's your problem in a nutshell. You are getting your mind all full of lies and hate at that web site. The brain is a muscle and it will train the way you train it. If you spend your time strengthing your mind in a hateful way your whole life will be full of it. Teach it to be strong and KIND, not strong and hateful. You will have a better life.

You don't say.

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I do feel real bad for you younger people,including our own kids. You got screwed. And you should have seen it coming.  As you are,I used to be. As I am,you're sure to be. So,for the "GREATER GOOD".YOU decide who lives or dies? Good plan,Hitler. DANG thats some cold manure.

 

 

Jointedone

 

I re-read this thread again today and I saw it in a whole new light. I have been wrong, you have been right. I did not read your post carefully enough. Thank you for the lesson.

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i hear it all the time on the news, not enuf young healthy folks (you are the intended payors) have signed on the cyber line to pay for my care.  i am concerned.  if you are young and healthy damnitt, do your duty, get on the web and give your premiums for my medical bills.. i'm old, do not expect me to pay for myself.  i have more bills than you.  it is all up to you, ages 18-39, to pay for me.  please do not be irritable about it, i am grateful for your sacrifice. so qwwitt your bitttchinn--if i were 18-39 I would not would not shirk my duty to pay for you (if i couldn't get away with a small fine). long live obamacare, and how about deleting that part about gassing me?  why would you be pisssseddd at me?  what did i ever do to you?

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