Obama 'spincter' Tickle Causes Unaffordable Care.

[trichcycler]

If he truly wanted to help fix the healthcare issue he would forbid the advertising of pharmaceutical drugs on television in the United States, as did many countries in the past. Anyone who does not see that as significant in this screenplay has their head buried in the sand.  drink more booze, take some antidepressants, gamble some, hoorah in  the games.....heck they even offer drugs that will get you up and gambling during your sleep, and when you wake you can continue to remain in total denial! boy do these guys listen to their customer base like no other or what ?   During advertised psychotropic experimental drug cessation humans slowly begin to grasp the real dangers behind these lubricants, and see the real issues in our society. Of course one can remain on them and rant of dems vs repubs, as directed. 

[Restorium2]

If he truly wanted to help fix the healthcare issue he would forbid the advertising of pharmaceutical drugs on television in the United States, as did many countries in the past. Anyone who does not see that as significant in this screenplay has their head buried in the sand.  drink more booze, take some antidepressants, gamble some, hoorah in  the games.....heck they even offer drugs that will get you up and gambling during your sleep, and when you wake you can continue to remain in total denial! boy do these guys listen to their customer base like no other or what ?   During advertised psychotropic experimental drug cessation humans slowly begin to grasp the real dangers behind these lubricants, and see the real issues in our society. Of course one can remain on them and rant of dems vs repubs, as directed.

So you are questioning Obama's motives again? You think he is getting paid off by the drug companies now? Like I said before, that is an idea hanging out there with no support, just begging to get shot down. Edited July 24, 2014 by Restorium2

[+Malamute]

So true t-pain.

 

And many of those problems won't be fixed. Private insurance companies are corrupt as hell and it is next to impossible to hold them to account.  ACA creates 'some' accountability, but bleh,... medicare has shown itself over and over to be a more sensible means of keeping costs down by uniting the insured to say " Hey pharma and private hospitals, you can't charge us those ridiculous rates, if ya want to serve 100million of us, then you need to bargain these prices down".

 

 Then cut the overhead costs that private insurers thrive on. ACA actually reigns that in slightly. Mecdiare overhead is still way less due to no need to PROFIT.  They must only administer.

[+Malamute]

Gambling in your sleep..... sweet.

 

;-p

[+Malamute]

Well, I would agree that Government is pretty sold out to corporations.  The whole ACA is based on private(corporate) insurance.  It annoys me.

[trichcycler]

I have a relative who visits the ER every couple weeks for diabetic complications like numbers over 800, every time he chooses to drink cola and eat potatoes with ice cream. He is on Medicaid and pays near nothing, like all poor Medicaid recipients have always done. workers demanded insurance, retired seniors had Medicaid or medicare, poor folks had Medicaid. and wealthy had bcbs policies.  The issue happened when the pharma  lobbied(for profit) to mass prescribe/diagnose/invent new diagnosis and then doctors are lobbied, and then citizens too. Bonus', bid sheets, pens, trips, and god wallet profit motives.  When Lipitor deficiency is the only thing that comes to the mind of a physician when he sees high cholesterol, zoloft when someone is grieving, and methamphetamines to children and adults for nail biting or temper tantrums.......the real issue shows its ugly face.  Its not the rich getting richer, its the poor buying into the profit scheme, supporting the entire charade, while believing its getting better and will change soon., without owning the problem.

[trichcycler]

if the pres owns one annuity, or a stock portfolio, he is being "paid off" by big pharma, of course.

[Restorium2]

Still waiting for my monthly Enbrel prescription to go down from $1500. I really hope all that money pays for some research. They came out with it in 1986. Sometimes you have to placate the industry that will save lives with their research. Did you hear they are getting closer to curing a lot of brain diseases by understanding the proteins there and how the effect cognition? That's where some of that money went. It's not an efficient system but we are very resilient and waiting for new cures.

[Restorium2]

if the pres owns one annuity, or a stock portfolio, he is being "paid off" by big pharma, of course.

Me too. At the rate of about 3% annually this year. lol Last year you might have been able to make that point.

[trichcycler]

money causes cancer. Big Pharma has thrown 100s of billions at cancer cures for near a century only to still be using hitler era chemo drugs. If you support a monster with your cash for the return of something for nothing, you are expected to defend their practices, for your something for nothing. Enbrel is half the price in other countries, and twice the price here, not for research, but for advertising cost recoup silly. so textbook.

[Restorium2]

money causes cancer. Big Pharma has thrown 100s of billions at cancer cures for near a century only to still be using hitler era chemo drugs. If you support a monster with your cash for the return of something for nothing, you are expected to defend their practices, for your something for nothing. Enbrel is half the price in other countries, and twice the price here, not for research, but for advertising cost recoup silly. so textbook.

You are not making any sense again. Advertising costs for Enbrel are less than 1% of total revenue collected in the United States. Be very careful calling people silly when your back up is just something you make up on the fly.

[Wild Bill]

The pharmaceutical companies aren't looking for a cure for cancer they are looking for "treatments". Something that will string sick people along for years and cost thousands of dollars. If they had a cure it would cut into their profits drastically.

 

Obama wanted a single payer system like every other civilized country in the world has, but that would be "socialism" so we can't have that.

 

Instead he went along with the Romneycare model from Massachusetts as a compromise with the Republicans.

 

Romneycare by the way has been in effect in Massachusetts since 2006 and other than small businesses, who seem to get screwed no matter what the government does, most people seem to like it.

[GregS]

For anyone who missed it:  http://www.nationalaccountexecutives.com/worth-the-read-a-bitter-pill-by-steven-brill.html

 

These are the some of the kinds of ways the health care sector has been screwing us. We have already touched on pre-existing conditions and lifetime caps on benefits. Bringing millions into the system who had no chance of care without the government stepping in is what the government is compelled to do by the Constitutional requirement that it promote the general welfare (see Preamble). It is past time for we the people to step up and put a stop to all of it. Corporate pharmaceutical raping and pillaging also rank high on the "screw you, you effing patient" list. That sector knows no shame and has no ethical standard, so they must be brought to it by whatever means we have, and the ACA is that means. It will improve to include more cost effective and comprehensive patient centered care, and continue to eliminate obscene profits.  

 

Single payer is the most cost effective option in so many ways. Streamlined, uniform claim submission procedure is necessary, as is negotiating supplies, equipment, and services and their costs. Already providers are making medical records available digitally to patients and are involved in creating and maintaining comprehensive medical files that can be and are shared among those patients' providers to assure full awareness of our medical histories, eliminating confused and even dangerous treatment that had been the too common due to those providers not knowing the full history. Michael Moore, a teenage friend and real smart guy, can take a lot of satisfaction in that he took a major part in bringing the issues forward with his movie. "Sicko." I have admired his style and humanity since we watched the police violence at Lincoln Park on black and white tv. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Democratic_National_Convention_protest_activity)

Edited July 24, 2014 by GregS

[Restorium2]

The pharmaceutical companies aren't looking for a cure for cancer they are looking for "treatments". Something that will string sick people along for years and cost thousands of dollars. If they had a cure it would cut into their profits drastically.

 

Obama wanted a single payer system like every other civilized country in the world has, but that would be "socialism" so we can't have that.

 

Instead he went along with the Romneycare model from Massachusetts as a compromise with the Republicans.

 

Romneycare by the way has been in effect in Massachusetts since 2006 and other than small businesses, who seem to get screwed no matter what the government does, most people seem to like it.

Good points. One thing to remember about small business, the definition of small business includes business with up to 1500 employees. Isn't that an eye opener? I think most folks think of small business to be much smaller than that. We need a new term to define a really small business because 1500 employees doesn't seem very small to me.

[phaquetoo]

 

And Phaq,.... your lady obviously didn't have insurance prior to the ACA?  She now has insurance based on her income correct?  And insurance only covers part of your medical bills right? Also, you do not have to buy insurance for your lady if you do not want to. $90 tax penalty for the year to opt out if uninsured.

 

 

Complaining that medical care is expensive has nothing to do with the ACA. The ACA is merely an insurance plan for a couple percent of americans.  Standard insurance options available.

 

 Most of the time I hear people complaining about the ACA, it actually has nothing to do with the ACA.

she had medicaid because she didnt earn enough to have to buy her own, she has gotten no raises and if the minimum wage was to go to 10 an hr she would get a raise!!!

 

when the aca passed the only thing that changed in our house was our adopted daughter graduated and the stipen you get for adopted children stopped, so she/we actualy had our income go down a little over 600 a month, and now they are saying she makes 1k a yr to much to qualify for mich adult health (medicaid)?  That confuses and bugs the phaq out of me!

 

Mal I read all of your posts I agree with most of what you say and if I dont at least you tell it like it is and I appreciate that!

So what you said above is mostly true as far as our ins life goes!

 

What realy sucks is my lady has 2 associate degree's in law administration and could be leo or a prison guard!  she is working as a home health aid, dont get me wrong Id rather not her be leo or a prison guard but that would be upto her lol if jobs were available, of course she would have to go back and do the academy again in which ever she chose, we pay for her student loans and pay for all of our needs first, there are many times we have nothing $left$ to do anything, when we camp we camp where it is free, but nothing is free camping you still have to eat, run a generator and propane but it is alot cheaper than paying what they now want for camp grounds!

 

our 15 yr old son goes thru shoes like I go thru my meds lol. he plays every sport and we/I do what we can to volunteer for the school and to make it so our son can have a well rounded life and maybe not fall into the same stuff I did when I was his age!

 

any how at this time the aca did not help my family, hopefully one day I will be able to say it does, but id rather see the next pres take it away!

 

Peace

[Restorium2]

any how at this time the aca did not help my family, hopefully one day I will be able to say it does, but id rather see the next pres take it away!

Even after we show you that it didn't hurt you. Even after I tell you it saved me $18000 a year in prescriptions you want it gone just because it didn't help you. Gee thanks friend. What is wrong with this picture?

[GregS]

This was life without the ACA:

 

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[Wild Bill]

 1500 employees doesn't seem very small to me.

 

That's only because you're not wealthy.

 

Some people still think a million dollars is a lot of money.

[phaquetoo]

Now why would Obama want to NOT fix health care? That's just a nutty conspiracy theory. He is intent of fixing health care so it can sustain us in the future. He's doing the best he could dragging around a bunch of useless people doing their best at being useless Republicans.

 

Healthcare is a war between those of us who need it and those of us who don't want to pay for their employees' health care. It's just that simple. ObamaCare did what it could to win that war for those of us that need health care. Health care is complicated, just like the people who need it. There are a billion different needs and situations to comprehensively address. That's why there were so many pages of rules. That's why it gets so muddied up.

 

Obama wants health care fixed for Americans. It's his legacy. He did what he could. You all have to use what he did for you to help yourself. Now you have to drag those same useless Republicans around with you too. They aren't too heavy, they are our brothers and sisters. Gently show them the way. Slap that employer who tells you they can't afford health care for their employees. Slap the hair right off their head! They are your problem, not Obama. 54% of your fellow Michiganders have seen that now. Join us in celebrating a good start to fixing the most important thing in America, our health. Or you can continue down the rabbit hole with the 23% that still think that ObamaCare is a bad thing for America.

Im so glad you are not in politics!  our country would only suffer more, you show that you are not willing to work with any one who doesnt beleive in the same b.s as you!

 

I dont beleive you anwered my question, are you disabled or do you work? a simple question for a simpleton!

 

Peace

[Restorium2]

Im so glad you are not in politics!  our country would only suffer more, you show that you are not willing to work with any one who doesnt beleive in the same b.s as you!

 

I dont beleive you anwered my question, are you disabled or do you work? a simple question for a simpleton!

 

Peace

Let me know when you start thinking about other people around you more than getting revenge for voting in Obama. Then you will deserve a proper answer from this simple man.

[GregS]

But wait. There's more: 

 

[GregS]

[GregS]

[GregS]

We need to put big pharma in its place. The ACA is a good start.

 

[phaquetoo]

Let me know when you start thinking about other people around you more than getting revenge for voting in Obama. Then you will deserve a proper answer from this simple man.

I will take that as a yes you do work!

 

If I was still able to work I would still be paying for my ins like I have most of my adult life, I was making good money and ins used to cost me like 700 a month for my family ( my 1st family lol) I paid for bcbs it was the best thing going at the time, I could afford it but the main thing was my son needed ins in case god forbid anything bad happened to him, it realy was no biggy to have that bill, it was part of being self employed, I worked for companys and recieved good health ins when I was younger, it didnt keep me working for them I knew I could pay my own way by working for my self and not letting some one else make money off of my work, oh reagen was the pres back than! hmm!

 

So as I see it you dont have the $ issues that most of us that cant work have, I actualy take more home than my lady and she works im on ssdi! as I see it aca only helped those that have jobs, it didnt help people that make under minimum wage or the poor, only the working above poverty got help from this, it did not help our house, and why should I care about your house, we do not have the same beleives and I find you very obnoxious!

 

so if it saved you 1,500.00 than you have that much left to save or do things with your family (if you have one) that most indigent people dont have! and that is my family, I was disabled at 38 yrs old, I am now 51 trust me the cost of living is not going down, the cost of living is making it hard for my family to live!

 

Peace