Anyone Vaporized Individual Terpenes?

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I suspect with a 10k monthly advertising cost the company that sells flavor drops in high times must be doing well, indicative of demand. I do not advocate adding anything to cannabis, but if someone wants to huff dlimonene for the medical effects while vaporizing some LasVegal Lemon, why should I care. Users are driving the demand for those nasty flavoring products. Understand that is not what I do, as explained to you several times. My study is in the soil, not with flavorings or smells, but selective composting, exactly like nature does it.  The soil around a pine tree goes along way to demonstrate this when other plants are grown in the vicinity. the soil does not smell like pine interestingly. If I came across a cannabis plant growing at the base of a lemon tree companion plant I would not discount it for the "imparted flavors" of age old composted lemons. I personally compost fruits of all kinds in this study. I also practice live marination with my farm animal stock like rabbit, chicken and fish raised here.

For instance my fish by the barrel full are collected put into fresh spring water for a day, and fed selective herbs the next day, third day harvested for a delightful bouquet of chosen herbs. very simple concept really. its not faking it anymore than finishing a chicken with corn rather than crumble, if that's your thing. Mine are free ranged and finished on organic corn at the end of the season(now) conveniently while the food supply is down on the property. 

[trichcycler]

I proposed no such thing. there are no pine needles remaining in a properly composted pile of pine needles and vegetable matter, just like there are no lettuce heads in spring compost, if done correctly of course.

the misunderstood proposal was in humor at best. I have no interest in selling dirt to anyone. If the articles I've reposted are leading anyone to believe anything then the postings are done in good faith. They are supposed to make the reader think. The only reader misled thusfar would be you. I'll help you along though, no worries, because of the love

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Augmented Cannabis Oil

 

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by David B. Allen M.D.

in Blog · Feature · Full · Uncategorized

— 15 Aug, 2014

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Augmented Cannabsi oil

 

By David Allen M.D. The new vapor pens are all the craze now and can be seen everywhere. Originally designed for vaporizing tobacco and nicotine products these pens are great for vaporizing cannabis oils. These pens vaporize the cannabis oils and leave an almost undetectable odor and can be used in public without little or no notice by anyone.

 

I recently went to Las Vegas and saw many people at slot machines with these pens in one hand and the one arm bandit in the other. Some of the pens are as large as a king’s sceptre and apparently offer a status symbol and possibly a blunt weapon for defense against unruly patrons.

 

To work properly these pens are dependent on the oil viscosity being able to flow into the wicking device. The oil or wax, produced by an extraction process, frequently does not have the proper viscosity to be used in pens. Manufactures of oil sold for use in these vapor pens are now adding various agents to these oils to make them flow properly. In some cases these additives can have additional benefits or possible health concerns for patients using them.

 

Propylene Glycol is approved as an additive for nicotine vaporization in the U.S.A and is considered safe for this purpose by the FDA. (When have they ever made a mistake?) Cannabis oils and waxes can be diluted with Propylene Glycol and vaporized in a similar fashion. Do other terpenes used as a dilatant of cannabis oil offer this same safety when vaporized? The answer is complex and cannot be answered in the current climate of political ban on scientific study of cannabis and cannabinoids.

 

To make the situation even more complex, is the composition of the many different terpenes that are contained in the various strains of cannabis. Recently Cannabis Cup events in California have been publishing the presents of different terpenes profiles of each cannabis strain entered. Some of the cannabis testing labs have booths at these cup events and have samples of 15 or more different terpenes they use for standardizing and calibration of their lab equipment. You can smell samples of each of these volatile terpenes some smell fragrant and sweet others pungent and repulsive. Each of these terpenes have different properties some with beneficial medical effects in themselves or when combined with cannabinoids.

 

Augmented Oil-1

 

The combination of all the different terpenes, make a unique smell that is characteristic of the strain of cannabis that produced that particular terpene profile. The common person would look at the results of these terpenes profiles for a particular strain of cannabis and conclude you could just add a pinch of this and a bit of that and make any swag smell like the best purple bud you admire? Unfortunately the situation is much more complex than that.

 

Augmented Oil-2

 

Each spike identifies a different terpene on this sample of cannabis

 

Tobacco companies have long ago addressed the problem of variation in the taste of different tobacco fields. Brand name products must have the same quality, consistency and flavor. The Tobacco companies purchase tobacco from many different sources and they combine all the different tobacco’s and extract everything from each different batch. They then add the extract back to all of the tobacco and then add a proprietary blend of other herbs and spices (1% this and 3% that) and then they have a consistent product that always taste the same. The resulting blend is then consistent in flavor and can be carry a brand name. So the race is on, for companies to find combinations of terpenes they can add to cannabis products to augment the smell or medical effect.

 

Currently you can purchase flavoring agents for tobacco or cannabis. Each of these different agents may have effects or health concerns which are not presently known. What is known safe as for GI absorption may not be safe when vaporized. It is not only the agent, but the combustible by-product that could be of concern. There is no testing on these agents for long term effects on humans.

 

There are many labs now selling vapor pens with flavored oils. These Cannabis oils are augmented or “fortified” with terpenes that have lime, lemon, orange or other flavors. Terpenes are the primary constituents of essential oils of many types of plants and flowers. Essential oils are used widely as natural flavor additives for food, fragrances in perfumery, and in traditional and alternative medicines like aromatherapy. They are classified as substances generally recognized as safe. Many of the terpenes are in our food products or may be taken orally as supplements. Companies offer oral preparations of these terpenes, with warnings of; “no daily value requirements are known for these substances.” Terpenes have utility as cleaning solvents and other industrial applications. Plants make terpenes to repel insects, and some of these terpenes can be used as insecticides or insect repellents. D-limonene is a terpene that is contained in dog flee shampoo. These substances are classified as; “substances that are recognized as safe” but may not be safe for human consumption as a vaporized product. Can augmented oils with these flavoring agents be used safely for vaporization? Is the safety of vaporizing these chemical agents as safe as vaporizing the cannabis oil? Only clinical trials will determine this and these questions are fraught with ethical questions of exposing humans as guinea pigs.

 

The point of this article is this!

 

Do you want some chemist to add chemicals to your cannabis oil without knowledge of long term effects. They are trying to sell you a nice smelling oil product that may later causes you some health issue? Just because it smells good does not mean it is good for you. The perfume industry can give testimony in this regard.

 

The practice of augmenting oils with flavoring agents and terpenes will also occur with the plant. No doubt you will soon be able to purchase lime or other flavored cannabis. Why would someone change the flavor of cannabis? Why risk adding a substance that could possibly cause harm? Many would say you can’t improve on the taste of cannabis so why even try this? Humans always want something different and a variety of choices. Business knows this and will provide what the customer wants. The multitude of flavored tobacco products are proof of this.

 

To actually prove these augmented products are safe would require a double blind study which is illegal in the United States. This would be costly and almost impossible to do ethically or legally.

 

I have previously published an article entitled; Rootless Transport Mechanism (the RTM or Dr. Allen’s Procedure) in Treating Yourself Magazine issue 18 pp. 80. This was again reprinted in Treating Yourself Magazine issue 35 pp. 74-76. This new reprint of the original article included original diagrams explaining Osmosis and Tonicity and explanations of MK-ULTRA a plan to weaponize cannabis. In this article I developed a method of flavoring cannabis with different chemicals that the plant roots would not absorb. If you cut the roots off, the plant can absorb larger charged particles like flavoring agents or flavonoids. These flavoring agents would be delivered to the bud directly without the roots as a filter. Using this method you can make vanilla flavored cannabis by placing the plant with the roots cut off in a vanilla extract. Virtually any flavoring agent could be used as well as antibiotics, steroids, bronchodilators or even Viagra! (That’s right! Boner Bud!) This could develop into a new process where the root growth would be inhibited in a hydroponic application to allow absorption of large particles. Megaponics? (Hydroponics without Roots) The plants would be bathed in a ICU type environment and fed large molecules to change the composition of the end product of the plant. This would allow precursors of THC (phenols and terpenes) to be absorbed by the plant and make super THC, CBD or other cannabinoids.

 

Additional methods of Augmentation or Flavoring of Cannabis

 

spraying a topical substance on cannabis is an age old problem. Some people were known to spray Coca Cola and other crazy substances on cannabis for varied, absurd reasons. This technique was used to increasing the weight of the cannabis. Cannabis that is sprayed with a water soluble substance or dye may be exposed by placing a bud in a bowl of water. The bud sprayed with dyes or water soluble substances will leach the dye out in the water.

 

Gasification. There is a new, almost undetectable, technique for flavoring cannabis by using volatile flavonoids and heating them to a vapor and exposing the cannabis to this gas. You can use Tobacco flavoring agents and place them on a cloth and place the cloth in a bag of cannabis and let it set in the sun for a little while. The cannabis will have the same smell as the flavoring agent.

 

I first encountered this technique after learning about an instance where cannabis had been sent in the mail. The cannabis was isolated in a separate baggy, but the package was shipped along with a bag of laundry detergent. The mail must have taken several days and most likely was in a hot truck during transport. You can guess what the result was. The heat had gasified the laundry soap perfume. The cannabis was bomb, but it all smelled like you were smoking ultra-clean underwear! Even though the detergent was in a separate container it flavored the cannabis with a disgusting perfume.

 

Cannabis and its concentrates can be adulterated or augmented with terpenes and other flavoring agents. Be cautious of vendors selling cannabis oils that are flavored or augmented with anything that is not approved for vaporization until more is known.

 

The war on Cannabis goes on and will not go away anytime soon. There will most likely be new regulations to “protect the public” and as always; Beware of those who want to protect you from something, they are often the people you need protection from. Often laws are made on assumption rather than science. It may take a long time to determine under what conditions these additives are safe to use and what conditions they are not safe.

 

David B. Allen M.D. retired Cardiothoracic and Vascular Surgeon.

[Restorium2]

They are supposed to make the reader think.

 

They are just silly ads making ridiculous claims that are not backed by any real results other than changing the taste for the sake of changing the taste. 

[trichcycler]

HA well lookee here, some people will buy anything! http://www.pans-ink.com/

[trichcycler]

They are supposed to make the reader think.

 

They are just silly ads making ridiculous claims that are not backed by any real results other than changing the taste for the sake of changing the taste. 

they're making you think and get smarter by the moment. see?

[Norby]

Terpenes are all the same no matter what plant produces it.  Pinene from a pine tree is the same thing that a cannabis plant produces.

[Restorium2]

Terpenes are all the same no matter what plant produces it.  Pinene from a pine tree is the same thing that a cannabis plant produces.

Go and do some experiments with pine tree sap then and find out that it is different than pine sensi. 

[Restorium2]

they're making you think and get smarter by the moment. see?

Obviously they make you stupider(look they are dumbing me down now too, stupider? lol)

[trichcycler]

pine sap is NOT pinene silly.

[Restorium2]

pine sap is NOT pinene silly.

Well then use whatever part of the tree you want, it's not going to be the same as pine sensi just because it smells like pine. 

[trichcycler]

two samples of pure pinene will smell exactly the same, regardless of where they originated, chem 101

[Restorium2]

two samples of pure pinene will smell exactly the same, regardless of where they originated, chem 101

Sure, they smell the same. So what?

[Restorium2]

Wishful thinking?

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Power of suggestion?

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Taking a high producer that is worthless and making it smell like something high end?

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that's dumb. any plant can be a "high producer". why would you waste your time on growing large worthless plants when there are hundreds of viable medically useful cultivars available at the fingertips. The "flavors" cant be changed without adding a topical to the finished plant, which is a ridiculous notion, but one practiced in generations before me. I don't know anyone who does that today, except the portable vaporizer users.

 

"what a bad guy, all growing his favorite Lemon cuttings under a lemon tree, pure evil I tell ya"

 

Every "smell" is influenced by the substrate the plant is grown in. Growing in composted fish will not make the cannabis smell

or taste like fish, but will definitely set up precursors for a plethora of terpene profiles to develop, just like worm tea, or guano, or nitrogen, or or or... Growing in raw fish will impart flavor of fish in the plant, if it survives. Cannabis plants don't thrive growing in raw lemons, or mangoes, or pineapples or even pine needles for thought, but if composting such items positively influences a natural chain of events leading to an increased possibility of the presence of a delightful pronounced lemon effect why not. I've tasted the unpleasant effects of many fertilizers, mildew moldy basements. I've also fed cannabis plant pure fish effluent with zero flavor imparting somehow. its all fun for me, with an obvious end.

[Restorium2]

that's dumb. any plant can be a "high producer". why would you waste your time on growing large worthless plants when there are hundreds of viable medically useful cultivars available at the fingertips. The "flavors" cant be changed without adding a topical to the finished plant, which is a ridiculous notion, but one practiced in generations before me. I don't know anyone who does that today, except the portable vaporizer users.

 

"what a bad guy, all growing his favorite Lemon cuttings under a lemon tree, pure evil I tell ya"

 

Every "smell" is influenced by the substrate the plant is grown in. Growing in composted fish will not make the cannabis smell

or taste like fish, but will definitely set up precursors for a plethora of terpene profiles to develop, just like worm tea, or guano, or nitrogen, or or or... Growing in raw fish will impart flavor of fish in the plant, if it survives. Cannabis plants don't thrive growing in raw lemons, or mangoes, or pineapples or even pine needles for thought, but if composting such items positively influences a natural chain of events leading to an increased possibility of the presence of a delightful pronounced lemon effect why not. I've tasted the unpleasant effects of many fertilizers, mildew moldy basements. I've also fed cannabis plant pure fish effluent with zero flavor imparting somehow. its all fun for me, with an obvious end.

You are confusing smells generated by real cannabis and smells you 'got it to smell like'. There's a HUGE difference. If you don't know that already then you are not who you pretend to be. I can't see how you wouldn't have discovered this long ago like the rest of us long time users have. 

[Norby]

Go and do some experiments with pine tree sap then and find out that it is different than pine sensi. 

If you extract the pinene it's the same.  There are other things in pine sap than pinene.  But being crass only divides us more.  Had you asked why pine sap was different you'd be being nice.  But this is the last I answer from you.  You'd actually be smoking terpentine along with your pinene if you did that.

[Norby]

Sure, they smell the same. So what?

They ARE the same, hence the name pinene.  It's a name for a specific compound no matter how it's produced, where it's produced, etc.  Same molecule made by more than one plant.  Very simple concept, start there.

Edited November 14, 2014 by Norby

[Restorium2]

It takes real life experience with cannabis to understand the error in saying that a pine tree has anything in common with the medical effects of pine sensi because they smell the same. I don't know how else to say it. It's a brick wall that you will run smack into when you have been there and done that. 

People don't grow in bat crap so their stash smells like bat crap. They grow in bat crap because their cannabis is healthy and can express itself fully and that will include taste and smell along with real medical effects. The taste and smell are indicators of effects if they are not artificially added. 

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You are confusing smells generated by real cannabis and smells you 'got it to smell like'. There's a HUGE difference. If you don't know that already then you are not who you pretend to be. I can't see how you wouldn't have discovered this long ago like the rest of us long time users have.

this is your confusion sir, not mine. I specifically speak of "setting up precursors" not flavoring cannabis. I add nothing ever, and don't even share my studies with patients, unless they ask. You are the person discussing adding flavorings to substandard cannabis to influence its taste. you are the only one to have mentioned that by the way. pic book has given you an example of a reason he added flavoring to his cannabis. If adding flavors to cannabis is what you wish to argue about, look him up.

 

when you graduate to real world ethno botanical studies, I'll still be her for you.

 

I posted the pasted articles to show YOU that others are doing this on a commercial level.

 

It would be foolish not recognize that the mentholatum added to Vaseline and placed on your skin and in your air passages has nothing medically to do with the mentholatum medical values found in some cannabis already. It would be foolish to think that certain fertilizers could not influence the expression of those medical terpenes. Certain fertilizers like composted fish or basil roots could support full expression and choosing certain fertilizers for cannabis will most definitely assist or deny the expression of medicinal terpenes. That's why some of your product has no taste or smell, and some does. same with the dispensaries, some stinks others do not. the stinkier ones are always more expensive, because someone thought to grow them with proper nutrition and care.

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Anthocyanins (also anthocyans; from Greek: ἀνθός (anthos) = flower + κυανός (kyanos) = blue) are water-soluble vacuolar pigments that may appear red, purple, or blue depending on the pH. They belong to a parent class of molecules called flavonoids synthesized via the phenylpropanoid pathway; they are odorless and nearly flavorless, contributing to taste as a moderately astringent sensation. Anthocyanins occur in all tissues of higher plants, including leaves, stems, roots, flowers, and fruits. Anthoxanthins are clear, white to yellow counterparts of anthocyanins occurring in plants. Anthocyanins are derived from anthocyanidins by adding pendant sugars.[1]

 

 

 

Contents [hide]

1 Function

2 Light absorbance

3 pH 3.1 Use as pH indicator

 

4 Occurrence 4.1 In food 4.1.1 In leaves of plant foods

 

 

5 Autumn leaf color

6 Structure 6.1 Anthocyanidins: Flavylium cation derivatives

6.2 Anthocyanins: Glycosides of anthocyanidins

6.3 Anthocyanins: Stability

 

7 Biosynthesis 7.1 Genetic analysis

 

8 Potential food value

9 Dye-sensitized solar cells

10 Research on health benefits 10.1 General research

10.2 Cancer research

 

11 Use as visual markers to mark genetically modified materials

12 See also

13 References

14 Further reading

15 External links

 

 

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Superposition of spectra of chlorophyll a and b with oenin (malvidin 3O glucoside), a typical anthocyanin, in an acidic solution. While chlorophylls absorb in the blue and yellow/red parts of the visible spectrum, oenin absorbs mainly in the green part of the spectrum, where chlorophylls do not absorb at all.

In flowers, bright-reds and -purples are adaptive for attracting pollinators. In fruits, the colorful skins also attract the attention of animals, which may eat the fruits and disperse the seeds. In photosynthetic tissues (such as leaves and sometimes stems), anthocyanins have been shown to act as a "sunscreen", protecting cells from high-light damage by absorbing blue-green and ultraviolet light, thereby protecting the tissues from photoinhibition, or high-light stress. This has been shown to occur in red juvenile leaves, autumn leaves, and broad-leaf evergreen leaves that turn red during the winter. The red coloration of leaves has been proposed to possibly camouflage leaves from herbivores blind to red wavelengths, or signal unpalatability, since anthocyanin synthesis often coincides with synthesis of unpalatable phenolic compounds.[2]

 

In addition to their role as light-attenuators, anthocyanins also act as powerful antioxidants. However, it is not clear whether anthocyanins can significantly contribute to scavenging of free radicals produced through metabolic processes in leaves, since they are located in the vacuole and, thus, spatially separated from metabolic reactive oxygen species. Some studies have shown hydrogen peroxide produced in other organelles can be neutralized by vacuolar anthocyanin.

 

Light absorbance[edit]

 

The absorbance pattern responsible for the red color of anthocyanins may be complementary to that of green chlorophyll in photosynthetically active tissues such as young Quercus coccifera leaves. It may protect the leaves from attacks by plant eaters that may be attracted by green color

[Restorium2]

I posted the pasted articles to show YOU that others are doing this on a commercial level.

 

And that somehow makes them credible? Because they are trying to make money with lies to the unaware? When real studies with cannabis totally show the opposite? Cut and pasty away dude. It's old. 

[Restorium2]

This is like the turkey bologna of cannabis.

lol Yes it is.   But without the real uses of turkey bologna. It would be like if turkey bologna still made you fat because it wasn't really made of turkey, just fat, but it did smell kind of like bologna. I love analogies by the way.