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And recall, these are covering deaths only.  It doesn't cover being shot and not dying and kids accidentally setting of firearms where no one was injured. ;-)

 

So yea,...

 

When people ask,.. at what cost does freedom come,.. I always remind them, every year, we have to slaughter hundreds of children to have it.  I support the second amendment,... but let us not try to cover up the true cost.  It is kinda like "The Lottery" for children to have this right.

 

Just an update.

 

 

 

http://www.news9.com/story/35694820/guns-kill-or-wound-7000-us-kids-a-year-report

 

 

 

Guns kill or wound 7,000 U.S. kids a year: report

 

(HealthDay News) -- Each year in America, nearly 1,300 children die from guns, with boys and blacks struck down most often, federal health officials report.

 

More than half of these deaths are homicides, 38 percent are suicides and 6 percent are unintentional, according to Katherine Fowler, of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and colleagues.

 

Plus, almost 6,000 kids are wounded by guns each year, the researchers said.

 

"Pediatric firearm injuries and deaths are an important public health problem in the United States, contributing substantially each year to premature death, illness and disability of children," said Fowler, of the CDC's division of violence prevention.

 

Based on 2002-2014 data, gun-related violence is the third leading cause of death for kids aged 1 to 17. And gun killings lag only behind car crashes in terms of injury-related deaths, the study showed.

 

"Finding ways to prevent such injuries and ensure that all children have safe, stable, nurturing relationships and environments remains one of our most important priorities," Fowler said.

 

"Playing with a gun was the most common circumstance for unintentional firearm deaths of both younger and older children," she noted, adding that younger kids often mistook guns for toys.

 

One recommendation from the American Academy of Pediatrics: Ask if there are guns in a house before allowing your children to play at a friend's home.

 

Dr. Al Sacchetti, a spokesman for the American College of Emergency Physicians, said the report reveals "incredibly sobering data.

 

"It contrasts sharply with every other advancement pediatrics has made to cut down on death and illness in children," he said.

 

A Florida pediatric specialist called the matter "a uniquely American problem."

 

"Ninety-one percent of gun-related deaths in high-income countries happen in the U.S.," said Dr. Leopoldo Malvezzi. He is a pediatric surgeon and director of trauma at Nicklaus Children's Hospital in Miami.

 

To determine the toll gun violence takes on America's youth, Fowler's team used data from the National Vital Statistics System, National Electronic Injury Surveillance System and the National Violent Death Reporting System.

 

The death rate from a firearm-related injury averaged nearly two per 100,000 children, with boys accounting for more than eight out of 10 gun deaths, the investigators found.

 

But, the rate for black children was more than twice that -- over four per 100,000. That's 10 times higher than the rate for whites and Asian/Pacific Islanders, the researchers said.

 

Older children, aged 13 to 17, more often died in the commission of a crime or in violence between peers, while younger children's deaths were usually accidental, the study authors said.

 

Rates of gun homicide were higher in some southern states and parts of the Midwest than elsewhere.

 

Gun homicides are largely related to gangs and drugs, Sacchetti said.

 

The highest rates of suicide by gun were among American Indian/Alaska Natives and whites (2.2 per 100,000), Fowler said.

 

Moreover, kids' suicides by gun have increased 60 percent since 2007, with mental illness a common factor, the report noted.

 

Many gun suicides were related to stress and relationship problems with a partner, friend or family member, Fowler explained.

 

Sacchetti said the best way to prevent these suicides and unintentional injuries and deaths is to keep guns locked away.

 

Gun homicides of children 12 and under "often involved conflict between intimate partners or family," Fowler said. And about half of these grim incidents involved multiple murders.

 

There was some good news, however: unintentional firearm deaths among children decreased from 2002 to 2014. Also, the rate of firearm homicides increased significantly from 2002 and 2007, but then declined, according to the report.

 

Malvezzi said that making guns safer is essential. But, he added that's unlikely to occur.

 

"If we had a toy that hurt five people, the news would be all over it, and here we have 1,300 kids die each year from a product," he said.

 

Malvezzi said a public health review is called for, but "the people who defend the product will do everything they can to avoid review, and they have." He was referring to legislation "that says that no federal money can go to research on guns."

 

Calls to the National Rifle Association for comment were not returned.

 

The report was published online June 19 in the journal Pediatrics.

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What's a "high income country"?  Seems like theyre using it to boast the 91% number to make it look huge. 

 

38% are suicides so shouldn't that # be dropped since they'd just use pills or some other way.  Esp if you aren't going to call for caring for the problems of these suicidal kids?  The # is better used to demonize guns, which also save people?

 

Malvezzi must be a dem since he knows that dems won't allow or go after the NJ law against making SMART guns.

 

Maybe toys that hurt 5 people  the net would be all over but pods for washing clothes get a pass huh? 

 

And since most are associated with drugs and gangs I see a real simple way to cut out those injuries and deaths, just legalize drugs, duh.  I wonder what the final # would be if all this was cleared up(subtracting suicides is close to half nad it seems gangs and drugs are more than that).

 

You guys seem to be able to pick apart any negative story on MJ but when it comes to guns all that intelligence goes right out the window huh?  But you can't see that the fault associated with guns lies with dems SMART gun law, suicides(uncontrollable) and drugs and gangs?  Wow!

 

 

 

Just an update.

 

 

 

http://www.news9.com/story/35694820/guns-kill-or-wound-7000-us-kids-a-year-report

 

 

 

"Ninety-one percent of gun-related deaths in high-income countries happen in the U.S.," said Dr. Leopoldo Malvezzi. He is a pediatric surgeon and director of trauma at Nicklaus Children's Hospital in Miami.

 

 

Gun homicides are largely related to gangs and drugs, Sacchetti said.


 

Malvezzi said that making guns safer is essential. But, he added that's unlikely to occur.

 

"If we had a toy that hurt five people, the news would be all over it, and here we have 1,300 kids die each year from a product," he said.

 

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What's a "high income country"?  Seems like theyre using it to boast the 91% number to make it look huge. 

 

38% are suicides so shouldn't that # be dropped since they'd just use pills or some other way.  Esp if you aren't going to call for caring for the problems of these suicidal kids?  The # is better used to demonize guns, which also save people?

 

Malvezzi must be a dem since he knows that dems won't allow or go after the NJ law against making SMART guns.

 

Maybe toys that hurt 5 people  the net would be all over but pods for washing clothes get a pass huh? 

 

And since most are associated with drugs and gangs I see a real simple way to cut out those injuries and deaths, just legalize drugs, duh.  I wonder what the final # would be if all this was cleared up(subtracting suicides is close to half nad it seems gangs and drugs are more than that).

 

You guys seem to be able to pick apart any negative story on MJ but when it comes to guns all that intelligence goes right out the window huh?  But you can't see that the fault associated with guns lies with dems SMART gun law, suicides(uncontrollable) and drugs and gangs?  Wow!

 

those are just distractions.

 

 

When people ask,.. at what cost does freedom come,.. I always remind them, every year, we have to slaughter hundreds of children to have it.  I support the second amendment,... but let us not try to cover up the true cost.

 

Again,... Cost of freedom is dead children. And I support killing off or injuring 7000 kids a year for it. Of course. Just realize it and acknowledge it.

 

 

and this silliness;

 

Maybe toys that hurt 5 people  the net would be all over but pods for washing clothes get a pass huh? 

 

 

The harms to children from laundry pod ingestion included(2 year span):

  • 17 cases of coma
  • 6 cases of respiratory arrest
  • 4 cases of pulmonary edema (fluid in the lungs)
  • 2 cases of cardiac arrest

And they passed new regulations to make them less desirable by children when it happened.

 

Bad comparison.

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those are just distractions.

 

 

When people ask,.. at what cost does freedom come,.. I always remind them, every year, we have to slaughter hundreds of children to have it.  I support the second amendment,... but let us not try to cover up the true cost.

 

Again,... Cost of freedom is dead children. And I support killing off or injuring 7000 kids a year for it. Of course. Just realize it and acknowledge it.

 

 

and this silliness;

 

 

The harms to children from laundry pod ingestion included(2 year span):

  • 17 cases of coma
  • 6 cases of respiratory arrest
  • 4 cases of pulmonary edema (fluid in the lungs)
  • 2 cases of cardiac arrest

And they passed new regulations to make them less desirable by children when it happened.

 

Bad comparison.

Just as bad as the quote about 5 or more kids get hurt by a toy and it's all over the news.  You still don't see the irony? In fact, a child is reported to a poison control center about every 45 minutes in this country.”  You forgot this from teh article.  I'm sure there is much more harm than the couple cases you listed.

 

Too bad Dems won't get rid of the law that would let guns be more safe around kids thru a fingerprint or ring attachment needed to fire.  Again, what percent is from suicides and what percent is from gang violence over drug territories?  You still want to blame the gun for those stats?  If so you are NOT for teh 2nd ammendment.

 

Just like you to blame the gun for actions of people while not blaming MJ for anything.  Why does one inanimate object take all teh blame for one thing while people take all teh blame for teh other?  Oh it's the parents fault for leaving the mj out but it's the guns fault for being there in teh first place.  It's the persons fault for overdoing it on the MJ and calling the hospital over a panic attack but it's the guns fault for someone commiting suicide?  Give me a break, the only thing you blame people for about MJ is for breaking the law.  Well it's against the law to shoot someone Mal.

 

It's the fault of society for where we are with guns, it didn't used to be this way.  Take away all the gang violence and suicide(which has gone thru the roof since the 60's) and the accidents are teh same as they have always been.  And then the stats are where no one went apeshit over it since it's in the range of all the other accidental deaths out there.  Cry me a river.  Were'nt u the one who always bitched about bringing up the children over mj, but gun violence is fine.  Hypocrite!

 

Give me a break that you are for the 2nd ammendment.  Another "world according to Mal" statement.  So you just want us to realize and acknowledge your lie, your smoke and mirrors?  I just showed or highlighted that you can't blame the guns for the 38% suicides and the gang violence.  I see you don't want to touch those statements though because they would point out how WRONG you are!!!!

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But bringing up a 2+ year dead thread just because teh last post had something to do with guns to put out that piece of crap article is just what someone who is for the 2nd would do.  But Mal is "for" the second ammendment, ya right.  I'm not stupid Mal.  People who are for the 2nd wouldn't just throw a drama article out on a 2 year dead thread for kicks.  Anti's do that.  Just because you say it doesn't mean it's true.

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Cost of the 2nd amendment.  Just admit it. It is what it is.

 

 

 

 

It's the fault of society for where we are with guns, it didn't used to be this way.  Take away all the gang violence and suicide(which has gone thru the roof since the 60's) and the accidents are teh same as they have always been.  And then the stats are where no one went apeshit over it since it's in the range of all the other accidental deaths out there.  Cry me a river.  Were'nt u the one who always bitched about bringing up the children over mj, but gun violence is fine.  Hypocrite!

 

 

Gang violence was worse in 1920 and 1930, 1960's, 1990's and has been waaay down for years and years. 

 

Just quit conflating.

 

There is a cost. This is simply one of them.

 

And it is worth it to me.  Just accept it and quit making excuses.

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Cost of the 2nd amendment.  Just admit it. It is what it is.

 

 

 

Gang violence was worse in 1920 and 1930, 1960's, 1990's and has been waaay down for years and years. 

 

Just quit conflating.

 

There is a cost. This is simply one of them.

 

And it is worth it to me.  Just accept it and quit making excuses.

Anti!  Cry me a river.  You're the one inflating the cost and using an anti's propaganda article!  Stop deflecting and admit you are wrong for once!  The "cost" is the cost of society acting teh way it does, has nothing to do with the second ammendment.

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wonder how many kids stab themselves to death vs gun deaths. that would prove once and for all! nothing really just curious

Maybe pills?   They took away guns from servicemen while on leave and they had fewer suicides.  Now if you're only worried about the stats that's a success.  If you're worried about the people it's a fail.  All how you look at it and you can tell someones agenda just as well from what they don't say as to what they do say.

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They took away guns from servicemen while on leave and they had fewer suicides. 

 

Interesting.

 

I hadn't seen that myself. 

 

If true, you just busted your previous argument? Taking away guns does lower suicides?  Your words...

 

My agenda is to make people understand the cost of rights and freedoms. 

 

I don't really care a few kids are in comas from laundry pods,..i like laundry pods.  :-)

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  Now if you're only worried about the stats that's a success.  If you're worried about the people it's a fail.  Leaving this part out is quite telling.

 

  Thanks for proving you only worry about the stats.  Sure didn't make their lives any better by taking away their guns, they stayed on the edge of suicide and probably did themselves in after they left the war.  It just didn't give them a way out while they had the alcohol they needed to push them that little step over the edge.

 

  Alcohol is involved in lots of shootings too.  But it's the guns fault not the alcohol right? 

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Interesting.

 

I hadn't seen that myself. 

 

If true, you just busted your previous argument? Taking away guns does lower suicides?  Your words...

 

My agenda is to make people understand the cost of rights and freedoms. 

 

I don't really care a few kids are in comas from laundry pods,..i like laundry pods.  :-)

And it's not the cost of freedom, it's the cost of society.  People committing suicide has nothing to do with the freedom of having guns it has to do with the state of the country and mental health.  Drug gangs have nothing to do with the cost of freedom, it has to do with the cost of being a subject who isn't free to buy drugs at a store like you can alcohol(quite the opposite).  Do you see people shooting each other over territory to sell alcohol?  No you see them shooting each other over drug territory and drug deals because the gov't doesn't give out the ability to sell on street corners or to complain if you are ripped off.  Really Mal, what a skewed view on blame.  Everything is solely because of the gun and all these deaths are strictly because we can own guns.  What about the illegal guns responsible for tehse deaths and harm, you counting those too?  Probably don't even know do you, but that's all because we have freedom too huh?  Illegal guns don't have anything to do with the freedom we have to own guns.

 

Just admit it Mal you're wrong.  It isn't that hard to do and you'll feel better afterwards.

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Only in your mind r u right.

 

These statistics are teh cost of gov't policies, not freedom at all.  The war on drugs is one of the most corrupt policies we've had outside slavery and you think that's part of our freedom? They are teh cost of psychotropic drugs and the cost of our mental health system, the one forced on us.  I feel bad for you that you can't see that and blame it on the 2nd amendment.  No wonder we have teh problems we have if people think like you do, they can't even identify the true root cause.  A true anti.  You make it blatantly obvious.

 

So arrogant you just can't admit it can you?

 

And you think it's a right?  Do you know what a right is?  If it was a right I'd not have to get a permit.  It's a privilege.  It's supposed to be a right.

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So all those child gun deaths and injuries are from drugs your excuse is? Or suicide?  Heh.

 

You can keep bouncing around the Truth.

 

You can try to discredit the source of statistics and all. It's cool.

 

But, there is a cost.  Simply recognize the sacrifice. Most of these children has sacrificed just as much as any memorialized veteran to protect and sustain our rights.  They don't deserve your flippant excuses. 

 

Embrace the reality.

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Fresh local reality;

 

Local gun dealer's kid shot himself in the head after a bonfire party with friends. The investigation says it was an accident, not suicide.

 

No mental illness. Loaded guns laying around.

 

All statistics aside, how do you fix that?

 

Is this 17 year old's death a cost of having gun freedom? 

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The only answer for accidental gun deaths is getting the word out that they happen often. Tell the stories. People get to thinking about them. Then it's the process of natural selection. The whole 'statistics' thing is cold and impersonal. This issue needs to be in your face and personal. It happens all around you all the time. Think of ways to help stop it. This is only fixed by thinking. 

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Maybe pills?   They took away guns from servicemen while on leave and they had fewer suicides.  Now if you're only worried about the stats that's a success.  If you're worried about the people it's a fail.  All how you look at it and you can tell someones agenda just as well from what they don't say as to what they do say.

i think mal is saying one can argue for the 2nd amendment, for guns, while educating people on the dangers of gun ownership and the responsibilities of not leaving loaded weapons where childrens can access them.

 

what part of that confuses you?

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