The Michigan Responsibility Council

[t-pain]

it would be great if you could write your posts large enough so people can read them w/o a magnifying glass!

 

Peace and write larger, we are not all youngsters that dont need reading glasses!  In fact Im a pt who has been in this fight longer than you have been alive!

 

i'm glad i'm not the only one who is affected by websites using smaller and smaller fonts. although i dont notice it as much now that i fixed the option in my web browser.

 

heres some tips for everyone:

 

in firefox , you can set a minimum font size, so any text that is smaller will be enlarged:

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/font-size-and-zoom-increase-size-of-web-pages#w_set-a-minimum-text-size

 

although this page is out of date, it might help those with old web browsers

https://kb.wisc.edu/page.php?id=25134

 

lots of info out there, just have to find the hidden options and fix it!

http://www.apa.org/about/accessibility.aspx

 

good luck, and feel free to ask for help just tell us what browser version and name you are using.

[GregS]

What are these people's reasons why they want to trash home growing?

[Restorium2]

What are these people's reasons why they want to trash home growing?

What did she say? Phone work?

[GregS]

I've left her vm.

[YesMichigan]

What are these people's reasons why they want to trash home growing?

 

It is possible they changed their position in the last few days since the Ohio group reworked theirs to allow "limited" home growing.

 

I would guess they trashed home growing initially for "public safety" hypocrites to continue their charade and to get that fat "Central Growing Company" lobbyist money flowing.

[Restorium2]

I've left her vm.

Me too. On both lines.

[GregS]

Me too. On both lines.

Ooh. She gonna hate on us.

 

Nice work.

[Restorium2]

It is possible they changed their position in the last few days since the Ohio group reworked theirs to allow "limited" home growing.

 

I would guess they trashed home growing initially for "public safety" hypocrites to continue their charade and to get that fat "Central Growing Company" lobbyist money flowing.

Not because they can make more money with their 10 monopoly grows if they kill their only competiton? I always look at the money angle when thinking about proposed business adventures. 

[phaquetoo]

Not because they can make more money with their 10 monopoly grows if they kill their only competiton? I always look at the money angle when thinking about proposed business adventures. 

Oh no it dont have anything to do with $$$$$$$$          ahhhh to be pain free in the mornings,,,,,,,Priceless!

 

Peace

[YesMichigan]

Oh no it dont have anything to do with $$$$$$$$ 

 

Peace

 

The money is useless though without getting it passed. That's what the Ohio Cartels realized. They relented on home-growing quickly because every group they counted on voting for "legalization" turned and bit them when the obviousness of their strategy was revealed. They lose out on some market share but they have Zero market share unless it passes.

 

I am curious if the MRC changed their position since the conversation on Sunday. I'll bet a 6 pc. Buffalo Wild Wings they will style their home-growing policy after Ohio now.

Edited February 19, 2015 by YesMichigan

[Restorium2]

The money is useless though without getting it passed. That's what the Ohio Cartels realized. They relented on home-growing quickly because every group they counted on voting for "legalization" turned and bit them when the obviousness of their strategy was revealed. They lose out on some market share but they have Zero market share unless it passes.

 

I am curious if the MRC changed their position since the conversation on Sunday. I'll bet a 6 pc. Buffalo Wild Wings they will style their home-growing policy after Ohio now.

Intent is everything. They just let their business model show before they understood the game of hiding it until they get their foot in the door. Just like when Michigan Dispensary Bill Sponsor Rep. Callton said a vote for dispensaries is a vote against home grows.

[phaquetoo]

The money is useless though without getting it passed. That's what the Ohio Cartels realized. They relented on home-growing quickly because every group they counted on voting for "legalization" turned and bit them when the obviousness of their strategy was revealed. They lose out on some market share but they have Zero market share unless it passes.

 

I am curious if the MRC changed their position since the conversation on Sunday. I'll bet a 6 pc. Buffalo Wild Wings they will style their home-growing policy after Ohio now.

you will have to add a 6 pack of bud lite with them hot wings!  We need to look around MI has the best mm law as far as plant limits and useable amounts allowed, Im thinking our state will be looking more and CO than any other rec state!

 

I realy want to make it clear, I am not against all out legalization, but I am against changes to our mm laws, I dont know how much clearer and easier I can say it!

 

Peace

[YesMichigan]

you will have to add a 6 pack of bud lite with them hot wings!  We need to look around MI has the best mm law as far as plant limits and useable amounts allowed, Im thinking our state will be looking more and CO than any other rec state!

 

I realy want to make it clear, I am not against all out legalization, but I am against changes to our mm laws, I dont know how much clearer and easier I can say it!

 

Peace

 

I don't drink alcohol, that stuff is terrible for you. I've read studies that say it will make you beat your wife and drive erratically. No thank you.

 

Your policy is all good with me. It seems hard to converse here because every communication is seen as an assault for some reason. I read your candidacy platform. I'm leaning towards Phaq in 2016. You're at least a viable candidate - miles ahead of the D or R in my book.

Edited February 19, 2015 by YesMichigan

[GregS]

Why cannot the text be pasted here? Valuable stuff: http://www.mlive.com/lansing-news/index.ssf/2015/02/michigan_marijuana_legalizatio.html

[YesMichigan]

Why cannot the text be pasted here? Valuable stuff: http://www.mlive.com/lansing-news/index.ssf/2015/02/michigan_marijuana_legalizatio.html

 

Should get its own thread since it proposes the alternative now to the "Michigan Republican Council" or whatever they are called.

 

I think the pictures are getting caught in with the text and they can't be embedded like that. I had same problem a minute ago pasting article.

[Restorium2]

Michigan marijuana legalization proposals - and a potential race to the ballot - in the works for 2016

 

 

LANSING, MI -- Two separate -- and potentially competing -- groups are laying the groundwork for 2016 ballot proposals that would seek to legalize, regulate and tax marijuana in Michigan.

Jeffrey Hank, an attorney who spearheaded a still-pending legalization effort in East Lansing last year, filed paperwork with the state on Tuesday to form the Michigan Comprehensive Cannabis Law Reform Committee.

"We want to do something in 2016 that will give Michigan voters the gold standard for cannabis reform," Hank told MLive. "We can look at other states that have done it, cherry-pick their best practices and make the best law we can."

Voters in Colorado, Washington, Alaska and Oregon have already chosen to legalize marijuana, and groups in a number of other states are pursuing ballot proposals. Recent polling suggests roughly 50 percent of Michigan voters support the concept of legalization and taxation of marijuana sold through state-licensed stores.

While planning has only just begun, Hank said the new Michigan coalition will seek to protect and improve the state's medical marijuana law, create a legal system for taxable sales to adults and allow industrial hemp farming.

Marijuana activists from around the state are expected to gather this weekend to discuss more specifics about potential ballot language, petition circulation and fundraising efforts.

"There is not a pot of money that's funding this operation," said Matthew Abel, a Detroit attorney and executive director of the Michigan chapter of the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws.

"There are a number of people who are going to put up an initial kitty to begin work, but serious fundraising is going to have to occur. Petitioners will have to be paid."

The activist community has long discussed a potential statewide proposal, but the effort has taken on a new urgency in recent weeks with formation of a new group they fear will put a more restrictive legalization measure on the ballot.

Suzie Mitchell, President and CFO of the East Lansing-based Mitchell Research & Communications firm, filed paperwork with the state last month to create a new nonprofit corporation called the Michigan Responsibility Council.

Mitchell, speaking with MLive on Wednesday, said it was too early in the process to discuss many details. She confirmed the company is an "advocacy group for the cannabis industry" that will likely transition to a ballot committee later in the year.

"It's very preliminary at this point," she said. "All we can say is that the goal is full legalization for 2016."

Paul Welday, a political consultant and former chairman of the Oakland County Republican Party, is involved in the effort as well.

"At this point, it is a group of people who are coming together to look at what some of the options might be," Welday said. "It's not a ballot committee, but the organization is looking at opportunities for a potential ballot initiative in 2016."

Sources familiar with the effort believe the Michigan Responsibility Council will be well funded and may seek to create a tightly regulated industry.

In Ohio, for instance, a group called ResponsibleOhio is working on a November 2015 ballot proposal that would limit production to ten wholesale growing sites controlled by investors. The group this week expanded their pending 2015 ballot proposal to include home growing for personal and medical use.

Michigan's marijuana activist community wants to pursue what Abel called a "craft beer model" rather than a "Budweiser model" for growing and distribution, allowing smaller-scale and in-home growing operations.

"With craft beer, there are smaller batches, but people really take pride in their product and are making unique, rich and and varied products," he said.

Both potential petition drives will take months to get off the ground, but state Rep. Jeff Irwin, D-Ann Arbor, is hoping to get the conversation started sooner rather than later in the state Legislature.

Irwin, who introduced decriminalization legislation last session, is preparing a new bill that he said will take "the next step" toward full legalization, regulation and taxation of marijuana.

He called Colorado, where legal marijuana sales through licensed stores began last year, a "successful experiment" that could inform a similar system in Michigan.

"What you're seeing is reduced use amongst adolescents, reduced crime, reduced drunk driving deaths and you're seeing quite a bit of tax revenue," Irwin said. "All of those are good things. What I'm hoping to do is take that law and improve upon it for Michigan."

Irwin had bipartisan backing for his decriminalization measure last session, but the bill did not advance in the state Legislature, where legislation related to Michigan's voter-approved medical marijuana law also stalled out last year.

Marijuana prohibition has been a costly failure, according to Irwin, who said he was not surprised by talk of potential ballot proposals and would prefer to see a "free market" approach to legalization.

"I think the idea of putting this question to the voters is a good one," he said. "The public is way ahead of politicians on this issue, as usual."

Jonathan Oosting is a Capitol reporter for MLive Media Group. Email him, find him on Facebook or follow him on Twitter.

Edited February 19, 2015 by Restorium2

[Restorium2]

Hank said the new Michigan coalition will seek to protect and improve the state's medical marijuana law, 

 

Flog off arsehole

Edited February 19, 2015 by Restorium2

[GregS]

Hank said the new Michigan coalition will seek to protect and improve the state's medical marijuana law, 

 

Flog off arsehole

I have a call in to them too.

[t-pain]

do you boys want to play nice and work to legalize marijuana together , or just form more hatred between groups and have it fail like prop 19 in california?

[Wild Bill]

I've never played nice in my life.

 

She's just a hired gun anyway. She specializes in selling to baby boomers.

 

http://mitchellresearch.net/about-us

[YesMichigan]

do you boys want to play nice and work to legalize marijuana together , or just form more hatred between groups and have it fail like prop 19 in california?

 

Ohio only had Republicans ready to monopolize and monetize decriminalization.

 

Michigan is an entirely different climate with differing objectives and monetary concerns already staked. There won't be one voice. Fragmentation will turn it to something of a cacophony by November 2016 but I see it like this (thoughts encouraged)

 

1. The Michigan Responsibility Council (Republican Cartel) Proposal

2. NORML (Legalize Cannabis but who knows who they have to supplicate for funding?) Proposal

3. MMMA Supporters who see anything proposed as an assault or not enough Position

4. Prohibitionist's continue to imprison and confiscate Position

 

Ohio seems to have only groups 1 and 4 with any organizational power and efficacy. I think both measures will pass in Michigan if 1 and 2 get their Proposals on the ballot.

[GregS]

I'm more than willing to hear what this Law Reform Committee is about.

[bobandtorey]

I'm more than willing to hear what this Law Reform Committee is about.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[GregS]

I've rec'd vm back from Mitchell. Her assurance is that their group does not intend to compromise our grow rights. I'll be following up.

[Restorium2]

Make sure she explains this;

 

A group from Oakland Co reached out to the NPRA and we sat down with them yesterday February 13th. They are calling themselves The Michigan Responsibility Council (SUZIE MITCHELL)and are preparing to put full legalization on the 2016 ballot. Here's what they plan to do:

1. Repeal the MMMA of 2008
2. Divide the state into 10 sections where there will be 10 large grows supplying the state.
3. Tax all marijuana including medical
4. Ban all home cultivation
5. Allow for a limited number of distribution canters per 10 districts that must receive all product from the 10 big grows
6. Strategically give the 10 grow licenses by property address straight to their funders.