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I haven't seen a thread about this.  Getting about a gallon of about 40 ppm pre-made for making seeds from a half-dozen plants, can run $100+ bux.  I do it for $33.50 by purchasing the 16 oz blue bottle.   it's ultra colloidal silver concentrate 16 oz from silver mountain minerals on amazon, 240 pm.  then i cut it down by mixing with a gallon of of reverse osmosis water bot locally (about $2) and pour the 16 oz 240 ppm colloidal silver into a 2 gallon container, followed by 6 x 16 oz of water.  Shake.   This results in 112 oz of colloidal silver that is around 40 ppm.

ppm meters don't work spot-on for taking accurate readings of cs.

a cs generator for $75-$250 would make gallons of cs but unless i knew quite a bit more than i do, and needed to make many seed runs, the 112 ozs of around 40 ppm, will do. 

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vaderog on youtube said something about taking a silver dollar (the ones pre-1965) and hooking it up to a battery to have the silver plate dissolve into water. thus making collodial silver.

 

heres simple instructions i found on the net

http://www.growery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/236180

 

cost of one of those silver dollars is i think $3-$5 or so.

 

good luck! dont electrocute yourselves.

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Maybe he should have mixed some gold shliger with it! lmao!

 

Peace

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vaderog on youtube said something about taking a silver dollar (the ones pre-1965) and hooking it up to a battery to have the silver plate dissolve into water. thus making collodial silver.

 

heres simple instructions i found on the net

http://www.growery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/236180

 

cost of one of those silver dollars is i think $3-$5 or so.

 

good luck! dont electrocute yourselves.

You want to use .999 fine silver.  If you use pre -65 you'll also get colloidal copper and a few other metals.  Silver eagles or Silver maples will work best at .999 and .9999 respectively.  Pre -65 is only 91%.

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how come i dont see this technique in any grow books ?

it could be difficult to discern the directions with pictures only? :lolu:

 

Jorge Cervantes does explain this in his grow bible, but with the internet, who needs to read  book right! :geek:

The plant has only one goal, to make seeds and spread its genetics. In a last ditch effort to fertilize itself, after running a normal course of

growing, it produces pollen void of male chromosomes, that results in female seeds, either within the same plant, or by fertilizing surrounding plants.

Whats really wild is that people continue to use strange chemicals, light stress etc trying to accomplish what the cannabis plant already knows naturally.

 

"Jorge:

 

 

Feminized Seeds

 

Produce all female or “feminized” seeds by obtaining pollen from an individual female plant and fertilize it with another female plant.

 

There are two simple ways to have female plants produce male pollen. The first is the easiest. Find a plant that produces a few latent intersex (hermaphrodite) male flowers of an otherwise female plant. The pollen from the male flowers is carefully collected once mature. Flowers are often well past peak development when pollen is collected. The problem with this method is that subsequent generations will have the same latent intersex tendencies. Stress also brings on inter¬sex tendencies earlier.

 

Or chemically induce female plants to form male flowers. This is done with the application of products such as eliteXelite or giberillic acid, which is dangerous and quite unpopular or Silver Thiosulfate Solution, chemicals used in photography.  (yet,  some folks worry about cannabis grown in composted lemons to influence terpene profiles?)

 

Pre-flowering female cannabis plants are sprayed with the dilute STS solution and induced to flower with the 12/12 day/night schedule. Pollen-bearing male flowers can be harvested in 35-40 days on most strains.

 

Once you have collected the male pollen it is ready to apply. Make sure to keep the male pollen dry and in a cool dark place. Moisture and light are pollen’s enemies. Use a small artist’s paint brush to wisp up a little bit of pollen and carefully brush it on female pistils of a strong stable flowering female. Continue this process until you have pollinated enough buds. Make sure there are no drafts and the air should be very calm so as to not blow pollen around. The seeds produced by the pollinated female will grow into all female plants."

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it could be difficult to discern the directions with pictures only? :lolu:

 

Jorge Cervantes does explain this in his grow bible, but with the internet, who needs to read  book right! :geek:

The plant has only one goal, to make seeds and spread its genetics. In a last ditch effort to fertilize itself, after running a normal course of

growing, it produces pollen void of male chromosomes, that results in female seeds, either within the same plant, or by fertilizing surrounding plants.

Whats really wild is that people continue to use strange chemicals, light stress etc trying to accomplish what the cannabis plant already knows naturally.

 

 

 

i think maybe my statement got misinterpreted. i fully agree that leaving a bud on the plant until it throws nanners is possible. i just dont recall reading that in any grow guide i've ever read, nor any 'how to make seeds' guide, nor 'how to propagate delicious plant i want to save but its clone only' guide.

 

 

i have jorge's book indoor outdoor bible in my lap as i post this, where does it say to leave a bud on the plant until it throws nanners? or is that inferred knowledge from the book and the plant that took years to glean?

the book, in the feminized seed pages talks about stress, light or heat, to make a plant herm. or chemicals or hormones or ethylene.

 

maybe i missed it? when i read the book the first time i wasnt looking to make seeds! so i skipped chapter 16 breeding. :)

 

i agree with your statement that the life cycle of the plant demands that it reproduce by any means and that means throwing nanners. i think its great info and needs to be spread out there more. i think many people do not realize how easy it is to stress a plant to herm via simple methods without buying anything or dissolving silver coins.

 

again, thanks grassmatch, you have lots of experience growing, you should write a book! :)

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no misunderstanding tpain, I was tugging your chain is all. I really did think everyone knew this, and was always confused why some would choose chems instead.

I hope I prevented any blue men from being created.....

 

I'll scan the grow bible again maybe today. I'm pretty sure I didn't invent the process, and only read one grow book before planting first seeds.

I would like to clear up a misconception though, this process does not produce a hermaphrodite(little grouped balls swinging low). The pollen collected from those sexually confused plants will always result in hermaphrodite tendency. Light stress can cause hermies, as can light interruptions, needles in the stalk, maybe even a cold draft, not sure lol.

 

long flowering sativas will show intersex (fingers) quickly sometimes, while our hybrids may take several weeks after a proper finish. When you look into my garden you'll see a dedicated tray of "one bud" plants slated for pollen collection.  Most of which is experimented with, mainly storage. I'd really like to attempt culturing the pollen, but never got around to it. I have cultured anthers and calyx though, but that's for another blog.

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i think maybe my statement got misinterpreted. i fully agree that leaving a bud on the plant until it throws nanners is possible. i just dont recall reading that in any grow guide i've ever read, nor any 'how to make seeds' guide, nor 'how to propagate delicious plant i want to save but its clone only' guide.

 

 

i have jorge's book indoor outdoor bible in my lap as i post this, where does it say to leave a bud on the plant until it throws nanners? or is that inferred knowledge from the book and the plant that took years to glean?

the book, in the feminized seed pages talks about stress, light or heat, to make a plant herm. or chemicals or hormones or ethylene.

 

maybe i missed it? when i read the book the first time i wasnt looking to make seeds! so i skipped chapter 16 breeding. :)

 

i agree with your statement that the life cycle of the plant demands that it reproduce by any means and that means throwing nanners. i think its great info and needs to be spread out there more. i think many people do not realize how easy it is to stress a plant to herm via simple methods without buying anything or dissolving silver coins.

 

again, thanks grassmatch, you have lots of experience growing, you should write a book! :)

 

I'm a bit confused about the idea of leaving buds on a harvested plant with the idea of harvesting seeds.  I've seen the "nanners," the scattered male flowers ready to pollinate in the end-days of the plant's life.  But how long does it take to get from the point of "nanners" to viable seeds?  GM, I think you said you let such plants go another couple of weeks to get seeds.  Do usable seeds form in two weeks?

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highlander,

 

I'll clear it up, sorry for the confusion. I don't let a plant grow past its finish in order to get seeds.

I do this to gather the pollen made by those yellow fingers in late buds. This pollen is used to

pollinate other females in my room. Sometime I'll pollinate 20 different strains with the same pollen.

I tag the bud with the info on it and at harvest time I gather the seeds from the pollinated bud.

I rarely would aim to allow the plant to pollinate itself, but it does happen.  hope that helps?

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highlander,

 

I'll clear it up, sorry for the confusion. I don't let a plant grow past its finish in order to get seeds.

I do this to gather the pollen made by those yellow fingers in late buds. This pollen is used to

pollinate other females in my room. Sometime I'll pollinate 20 different strains with the same pollen.

I tag the bud with the info on it and at harvest time I gather the seeds from the pollinated bud.

I rarely would aim to allow the plant to pollinate itself, but it does happen.  hope that helps?

And these seeds always produce females?

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yes, 100% in my experience so far.

 

I've  laughed out loud for years, every time I hear the term "clone only"

 

that pollen is devoid of male chromosomes as a survival tactic, to produce more females in the area where seeding proves difficult for the plant.

It my be attempting to fertilize itself, or maybe to fertilize others around it. I believe it is to self pollinate for survival.

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respectfully, you are incorrect. ALL cannabis will work in the way I describe, even auto flowers.
I know growers who cannot clone any cannabis, luckily for them, the internet offers an ego saving excuse. :P

 

which part "didn't work" ?

did the single finger appear?

did it flower?

produce pollen?

you gathered the pollen and applied it to another fertile bud ready to be fertilized?

 seeds resulted?

viable?

hermaphrodites?

underdeveloped?

no seeds? 

 

I 'll try to  fix this for you so it will work every time if interested.

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know that I didn't invent this process. its not voodoo at all, just science, it works, plan on using the pollen in a timely manner, and make sure you have some female plants ready to be pollinated the timing of fertilization of another bud with the fem pollen is key.

a bad environment will adversely affect seed production. they will be all fems though regardless.

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