Getting Colloidal Silver For Small Fem Seed Runs?

[trichcycler]

so easy for anyone to check it out by leaving one stem when harvesting.  I'm gonna do it.

 

still counted as one plant though.....

 

( a segment of a top cola might be the best choice)  this may be the most developed, thus quicker to "finger"

[t-pain]

gm: how long until it fingers ? i mean... 4 weeks flower, 6 weeks flower ... how many days on average? i know you keep journals and schedules. estimates are fine. just curious, for science.

 

and what do you mean by finger? foxtail or male flower or what?

Edited February 25, 2015 by t-pain

[Restorium2]

respectfully, you are incorrect. ALL cannabis will work in the way I describe, even auto flowers.

I know growers who cannot clone any cannabis, luckily for them, the internet offers an ego saving excuse.

 

which part "didn't work" ?

did the single finger appear?

did it flower?

produce pollen?

you gathered the pollen and applied it to another fertile bud ready to be fertilized?

 seeds resulted?

viable?

hermaphrodites?

underdeveloped?

no seeds? 

 

I 'll try to  fix this for you so it will work every time if interested.

The presence of 'nanners' is not in question. 'Nanners' can produce pollen, which can be used to produce seeds, but those seeds do not always produce female plants.

[Restorium2]

gm: how long until it fingers ? i mean... 4 weeks flower, 6 weeks flower ... how many days on average? i know you keep journals and schedules. estimates are fine. just curious, for science.

 

and what do you mean by finger? foxtail or male flower or what?

He's talking about nanners which can happen very late in flower. It's strain specific. Google nanner marijuana

Edited February 25, 2015 by Restorium2

[trichcycler]

A “monoecious” hermaphrodite cannabis plant will show fully formed pollen sacs on some parts of the plant, but will be growing buds on other parts of the plant. Generally, a monoecious hermaphrodite plant does not have both male and female parts growing from the same place (often referred to a “bisexual” flowers) - they will have fully formed male parts in some places, and fully formed female parts in others.

 

Rodelization sort of manipulates natural, biological factors at play in the female marijuana plant. Oftentimes, when the female marijuana plant becomes stressed or is nearing the end of its lifecycle without having been fertilized, it will start to grow pollen sacs on its own. Marijuana plants are naturally going to want to propagate their seed to extend the line, and when they don’t get fertilized, they will sometimes take to fertilizing themselves. The reason that rodelization frequently produces seeds with female characteristics is because all of the genetic and reproductive material involved also had female characteristics.

 

This is the crux of seed feminization. It is the unique ability of the female marijuana plant to essentially fertilize itself (without actually being hermaphroditic). If both the eggs and the pollen come from genetically female plants, then there is a greater likelihood that the plants will produce female seeds. Although the concept might be simple, actually putting it into practice can be a bit difficult.

 

The colloidal silver method works in much the same way. Very small concentrations of colloidal silver (which is pure silver) are put into distilled water. This water is then sprayed onto female marijuana plants during the flowering cycle. It reacts with the plants so that they start producing the same pollen sacs you might see during rodelization (or normally on males). Again, the difference in this case is that genetic material in the pollen is completely female and, thus, will be more prone to producing female marijuana seeds.

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I wont take time to explain it, because Jorge already did. I do know that weak infected genetics are never fun to work with. I've only supported fully expressed healthy proven varieties and this may add reason to my awesome success.

[trichcycler]

gm: how long until it fingers ? i mean... 4 weeks flower, 6 weeks flower ... how many days on average? i know you keep journals and schedules. estimates are fine. just curious, for science.

 

and what do you mean by finger? foxtail or male flower or what?

that would depend on the natural flowering time of the cultivar I think. For instance I flower mostly 60ish day varieties. Within 3 weeks after the (60 day)harvest I see my prized "no male chromos" finger to work with. those fingers should not appear before the flowering period is finished.

 

there are scientific reasons explaining why some pollen sacks produce nasty hermy pollen, and others produce sexy femmy pollen, with no male genes. the expression is not that of confusion, but survival.

[trichcycler]

heres an article from that liar breeder Soma on the subject

 

RODELIZATION: SOMA'S WAY TO FEMALE SEEDS(cmon guys, very old tried and true info, is very old, tried and true info...argue with Soma, I'm gonna keep making fem seeds!)

 

Story by Soma

 

Creating feminized cannabis seeds is an art. Just like art, there are a few different methods of application. I have written about some of my different methods of making seeds in previous HIGH TIMES articles. I have used gibberellic acid, pH stress, light stress, and fertilizer stress to force my female plants to make seeds. All of these methods are harsh on the plants, and some, like the gibberellic acid, are not organic. In my search for cleaner, more earth-friendly ways of working with the cannabis plant, I have found a new way to make feminized seeds.

Feminized seeds occur as a result of stress, rather than genetics. All cannabis plants can and will make male flowers under stress. Certain strains like a higher pH, some a lower one. Some like a lot of food, some like much less. There is quite a lot of variety in marijuana genetics, and you can’t treat every plant the same way.

 

It takes many harvests before you really get to know a particular strain. Just like getting to know human friends, it takes time. I have grown the same strains for close to a decade, and am truly getting to know every nuance the different plants exhibit. I can recognize them from a distance. I must say that I get a lot of help from my friends, both in making seeds and in learning new and better ways of working with this sacred plant.

 

I named this new method "Rodelization," after a friend who helped me realize and make use of this way of creating female seeds. After growing crop after crop of the same plants in the same conditions, I noticed that if I flowered the plants 10-14 days longer than usual, they would develop male "bananas." A male banana is a very slight male flower on a female marijuana plant that is formed because of stress. Usually they do not let out any pollen early enough to make seeds, but they sometimes do. They are a built-in safety factor so that in case of severe conditions, the plant can make sure the species is furthered.

 

To me, a male banana is quite a beautiful thing. It has the potential of making all female seeds. Many growers out there have male-banana phobia. They see one and have heart palpitations, they want to cut down the entire crop, or at the very least take tweezers and pluck the little yellow emergency devices out. I call them "emergency devices" because they emerge at times of stress.

 

In the Rodelization method, the male banana is very valuable. After growing your female plants 10-14 days longer than usual, hang them up to dry, then carefully take them off the drying lines and inspect for bananas. Each and every banana should be removed, and placed in a small bag labeled very accurately. These sealed bags can be placed in the fridge for one or two months and still remain potent.

 

For the next phase, you need to have a separate crop that’s already 2 1/2 weeks into flowering. Take your sealed bags of pollen out of the fridge, and proceed to impregnate your new crop of females. To do this, you must first match the female plant and the pollen from the same strain in the previous crop. Shut all the fans in the growroom down. Then take a very fine paintbrush, dip it in the bag of pollen, and paint it on the female flower. Do this to each different strain you have growing together. I have done it with up to 10 different kinds in the same room with great success.

 

I use the lower flowers to make seeds, leaving the top colas seedless for smoking. This method takes time (two crops), but is completely organic, and lets you have great-quality smoke at the same time you make your female seeds. If you’re one of those growers who’s never grown seeds for fear of not having something good to smoke, you will love this method.

 

You can also use this pollen to make new female crosses by cross-pollinating. The older females with the male bananas can be brought into the room with the younger, unpollinated females after they are three weeks into flowering. Turn all of the circulation fans on high, and the little bits of pollen will proceed to make it around the room. Do this for several days. Six to seven weeks later, you will have ripe 100% feminized seeds; not nearly as many as a male plant would make, but enough to start over somewhere else with the same genetics.

 

As a farmer who has been forced to move his genetics far away from where they started, I know very well the value of seeds. My friend Adam from ThSeeds in Amsterdam has a motto that I love to borrow these days: Drop seeds not bombs.

[trichcycler]

I've looked at over a dozen forums just now, and everyone of them is well aware of this procedure in posts. I suspect the only naysayer hermie seeds in those forums is Resto, everyone else, well, they sit back and enjoy their free female seeds year after year from every prized cultivar they keep..

 

truth be told, I do this to unlock latent genetics within my prized plants. I could care less about fem seeds. nothing against them of course, but I have no need for them on a large scale. I culture my library, and clone from a clone, until the drift shows, then refresh with new cultured cleaned genetics.

sometimes I find a seed with very different characteristics and wish to exploit these for one reason or another. sometimes I even replace my library with the new found stock.

[flower pharm]

how come i dont see this technique in any grow books ?

knowledge is power! same reason im the only one that acutally knows what my strains are.

[trichcycler]

I may adapt that flower pharm, no attempts to :bong2:bully you after all.

[pic book]

weird snow ryders.  they've put out female buds where a few pistils are turning red before the male flowers have even opened.  

next seed run i'm gonna try Reverse on snow ryders.  maybe the colloidal silver really screws up the ryders timing?  this is day 89, and previously in non-seed runs the pistils by now are all blood-red.

Edited March 24, 2015 by pic book

[pic book]

wanna strain that grows no taller than 22 inches tall and don't smell?  snow ryder. 10 in one room making seeds and no odor.  yeah , if i shove my nose so it touches a bud there is a hint of something.... 

[trichcycler]

critical plus, 45 day finish

dr greenthumbs Iranian fast flower(needs a topping in veg)

 

 

interesting.......when  I try a new seed, and the bud doesn't stink at the finish line, it takes one joint to decide to feed the bush to the rabbits, and toss the remaining seeds in the park. Critical+ was the closest I had to keeping one. it finished so quickly, and tasted great, for about two weeks after harvest. The effect was droop-eye,

couchy, loved by most who tried it but didn't make my cut. Hard colorful buds, short strong bushy, little vegetation. 

[Budz-4-U]

Or, you could just buy feminized seeds.

[pic book]

Budz:  If you are replying to me, I did buy fem seeds.  I ordered 10 snow ryder fems (autos) and needed to make female pollen from one of them....so to cause female pollen to develop, i used colloidal silver at the rate of 45 ppm, sprayed onto the entire plant's foliage until it drippped. Despite my spraying that plant 65 times post the initial appearance of sex, it only put out buds, not nanners.  On day 70, seeing all the buds, white hairs, and no nanners, i thot the cs had failed, and i'd have no pollen.  but on day 82, tiny nanners appeared, just pinheads, dozens of them, located just below the buds on most stems. Today is day 96, and the pinhead nanners have swelled to an elongated bb size, and some of the nanners are yellowing and cracking open. Soon the pollen will be blown by the fan in the room onto the buds.  the pistils are now so old they have turned red and brown and have even begun to slightly whither.  Don't know if they are still able to receive pollen and make seeds.  Gonna find out, tho.  this is all new to me, as this is only my second seed run (attempt to make seeds).

My thinking next time i'll use Reverse rather than cs, is to turn one of the fems into a male, so the turned plant produces only pollen.

Next up is Dr. Greenthumb's Iranian Short Season aka Iranian Auto Flower.  I purchased all fems.  (Only avail as fems).  I am making clones of them now, but soon i'm going to make pollen by spraying one plant with Reverse.  My question is, will that reversed plant be producing female, or male, pollen?

If male, I need to skip Reverse and continue with colloidal silver. 

Edited March 31, 2015 by pic book

[trichcycler]

If Reverse is used to correct the sexual confusion of a genetically female plant, there wont be any male expressions showing to produce pollen.

 

The corrected plant can be manipulated to produce a male expression capable of producing XX pollen.

[pic book]

GM:  I know you said something friendly and mean to be helpful.  I'm just not sure what you are telling me?   Say it in more words, please, and I'm not sure what XX means for me, is it good or bad when what I'm trying to accomplish is female pollen?  Thank you very much MR. Science Guru.

[Norby]

I think he means you can spray reverse on a plant to keep it from hermaphroditing but you can later spray a clone with colloidal silver to get it to throw male flowers.

[trichcycler]

already treated with reverse=  after the male parts dry up and go away the corrected plant can be treated with colloidal silver/acids etc to cause the male expression to appear. The pollen made from those sacks will produce female seeds. Timing is crucial, gathering the pollen, choosing a "ready" female to pollinate

 

xx=girl chromosomes  

[Norby]

Timing isn't a problem if you dry and freeze the pollen beforehand.  Then it's ready whenever you need it.  That's what I'm doing with my Perkins cannatonic(well all my pollen, I'm starting a collection).  This way I can cross it to my space dawg, GSOGPK, Gorilla Glue, etc. even though they aren't all ready to pollinate at once.

[trichcycler]

yep, timing is important more so in choosing the right female to pollinate, at its ideal "ready" stage.

 

 

Reverse works by blocking specific hormonal messengers sent to help the plant pollinate for survival. The colloidal silver/gibb acid etc is toying with those same message pathways and hormones. I suggest choosing a solid healthy stable female, from open pollinated seed stock, to produce female seeds. You may end up with all this time, energy and cash only to find failure, or some genie snafu otherwise, unless you're just experimenting and don't mind the losses.

In my experience with Reverse the effects, or anti effects, remain for the life of the line with only one application to a few fan leaves with a brush.

After applying Reverse to healthy plants, ones exhibiting zero confusion ever, the flowers were more pronounced but the real eye candy was the giant calyx produced by the treated plants. These were not fertilized but became swollen to the size of a pea. The clones from those plants expressed normally. The Reverse is said to be made with plant lipids.

[pic book]

snow ryder is such a peculiar plant.  Mine in a seed run are 22 inches tall, and have 100s of male flowers (yellow banannas which opened, turn out to be 6 filaments, or tendrils, in a pod, and no pollen grains.  The mature plant (108 days from germination), has shriveled buds wrapped in purple-black foliage. So far, no powdery dusting of pollen anywhere, and no developing seeds.  behold, I show you a mystery...did the colloidal silver yield imitation pollen pods?

[trichcycler]

I've no clue. I never use the stuff, but maybe others have experienced the phenomena?

[Norby]

snow ryder is such a peculiar plant.  Mine in a seed run are 22 inches tall, and have 100s of male flowers (yellow banannas which opened, turn out to be 6 filaments, or tendrils, in a pod, and no pollen grains.  The mature plant (108 days from germination), has shriveled buds wrapped in purple-black foliage. So far, no powdery dusting of pollen anywhere, and no developing seeds.  behold, I show you a mystery...did the colloidal silver yield imitation pollen pods?

Did you spray right up until the sacs were ready(about 2-3 days) to open?

[pic book]

I quit spraying a week after I saw seeds forming.  that was 3 weeks ago that i quit.  tonight all pods are split open and all have tendrils, none have powdery yellow grains.  I guess I should have quit spraying sooner?

 

So now I'll let the plant go another 40+ days, and see if on its own it generates any pollen.  I do have younger (backup) females on their way.  Too tender to spray, but in 30 days buds will be forming on them, and then I'll spray them for a week.  I still want seeds.

 

Purpling on the poisoned (cs), screwed-up plant continues, and shrinking of the flowers.