Free Lab Testing For Patients?

[trichcycler]

They have given very questionable testimony before.

I've seen that. I guess some will say or do just about anything to keep their job. shame on them.

but with that said, laboratory results from a medicinal plant is exciting, useful, and should not be discounted for a few

soul sellers right? where would that have left us in the rest of the world of ethno botanicals ?

 

(perhaps better off without patents and big pharma maybe I'd agree)

[+Malamute]

Actually, many of the dispensary interests who harped for testing because marijuana isn't safe, it can kill patients, basement grows are dangerous etc.  suddenly realized they were screwing themselves completely and the costs of doing all those tests was insane because of the size of testing batches in Michigan.(2.5-15 oz) 

 

The type of testing we are talking about can make sense in warehouse grows where SOP and pesticide standards are met prehand and then testing done across 5000 plants.

 

Anything beyond that is just insane.  General profiling is fine and dandy on a entertainment/interest reason. mandatory testing outside of safety(molds,fungs, etc) is a marketing tool only IMO.

 

Testing should be mandatory on packaged food items that correlate with current standards for all packaged food items.

 

 And honestly, why do people need "oil" anyway?  Why not just use water/ice extracts, kief etc instead of oil?  Seems water doesn't leave residues like solvents?

 

I just never understood the whole oil fad.  You get more oil when whole plant extracting I guess.  Prices are ridiculous it seems. 

 

Ahh well....

[Hayduke]

I can see I don't need to say anything...lol...

[t-pain]

a two week (at least) test for bacteria. so each disp would have to hold onto batches of bud or food that were in the process of being tested ?

 

so no fresh edibles? all frozen? whaaaat?

 

why did i only see this while i was high? because i was thinking about the two week period for bud and how to handle it legally, before i read that bud wasnt even going to be tested. i didnt even think about bacteria tests on edibles having to be tested.

Edited March 4, 2015 by t-pain

[trichcycler]

Testing should be mandatory on packaged food items that correlate with current standards for all packaged food items.

 

 And honestly, why do people need "oil" anyway?  Why not just use water/ice extracts, kief etc instead of oil?  Seems water doesn't leave residues like solvents?

 

 

 

Ahh well....

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...."I've heard people say in the same tone "what kind of medicine is smoked anyways?" It is not my concern how or why one chooses to use cannabis for the relief of their symptoms. As soon as we aim to limit or control any part of this freedom, I cannot agree, sorry.

 

I do agree with testing edibles though. "Not understanding" is no reason to throw oil users under the bus. There are some who don't understand why a person would need marijauan in the first place, I imagine their nefarious agenda as this plays out.

 

peace

[Restorium2]

I just never understood the whole oil fad. 

 

It's not a fad for me. I take only the best buds off a plant and make oil out of the rest of it. Oil stores good. It vapes good. It's just a smart use of cannabis. You extract a plant and then you have all that plant had to offer. It's like a time capsule for future uses. When the science catches up to patients we will be able to extract the exact components we want out of the oil we have. Using oil is the best way to make edibles. It's the best way to control a dosage. It's just super smart!

It's the most stealth way to use and store cannabis. The ways to vape oil are improving very quickly as people invent new ways. Cannabis oil is the cannabis of the future. It doesn't even matter if it is legal or not because it's King Cannabis. Might as well get used to that.

[Restorium2]

But I NEVER will throw smoking under the bus as 'not medical' like The Michigan State Police are trying to do right now. I remember my roots and those shoulders I stand on.

[trichcycler]

I just never understood the whole oil fad. 

 

It's not a fad for me. I take only the best buds off a plant and make oil out of the rest of it. Oil stores good. It vapes good. It's just a smart use of cannabis. You extract a plant and then you have all that plant had to offer. It's like a time capsule for future uses. When the science catches up to patients we will be able to extract the exact components we want out of the oil we have. Using oil is the best way to make edibles. It's the best way to control a dosage. It's just super smart!

It's the most stealth way to use and store cannabis. The ways to vape oil are improving very quickly as people invent new ways. Cannabis oil is the cannabis of the future. It doesn't even matter if it is legal or not because it's King Cannabis. Might as well get used to that.

nicely stated

[Restorium2]

and any mixture or preparation thereof

[t-pain]

and any mixture or preparation thereof

now put it all together.

 

possesses an amount of marihuana that does not exceed 2.5 ounces of any mixture or preparation of the dried leaves and flowers of the marihuana plant.

[Restorium2]

Was talking with my cannabis specialist doctor yesterday and we agreed that the bill that pretends to say we can legally have upwards of 72 ounces on hand per patient is a bait and switch. We will NEVER get to legally have more that 2.5 ounces of cannabis oil like the law says we can have now.

[t-pain]

you never think the bill will pass as-is or the bill will never contain 72 oz part ? or the 72oz wont apply to oil?

[Restorium2]

you never think the bill will pass as-is or the bill will never contain 72 oz part ? or the 72oz wont apply to oil?

A little broader stroke than that; The bill sponsors have no intention of broadening our legal possession limits. Of that, no one can deny. It's stupid of any of us to think that some kind of 'mistake' they make is going to help us. Their intent is very clear. Their intent is what will prevail when the dust clears.

[Hydraulic Jack]

Cannalytics is no longer in business....HJ

[Restorium2]

Oil is usable marijuana, 2.5 ounces. 72 fluid ounces is allowed for liquid infused products. I think that is a big difference.

Many are being fooled by those who would like us to believe some of the 'wording changes' are actually going to help us. A little wink and a nod without any real promise. Leading many of us to believe in something false just to get us behind the bills. I'm getting a little more wary every time these false hopes are waved in our faces. It seems that these advocates are drinking the koolaid now? Exposure to bad people can be a bad thing even for people who started out with good intentions.

[Restorium2]

While the courts can solve the definition issue, and I think they will with the right case, they cannot properly solve the weight issue of infused products.

 

As far as I can see nobody is waving the false hope of 72 fluid ounces of oil; that is just a misinterpretation of the amendments in HB 4210.

I believe the people who know oil would believe it can be seen as liquid because much of it is when you subtract the waxes and sugars. My best oil will flow at room temperature. Yet I know in the back of my mind that there's no way that the people who are in control of what these bills say will even let us have more than 2.5 ounces of oil. They would rather us have NONE. 

 

As far as infused products go;

 

Example; If someone wants cookies then give them oil and a recipe.

[Norby]

that's interesting.

I wonder of the reason a canna lab wouldn't strive to be all they can be?

Cost and that people want exact proveable results for under $20.

[Norby]

Gary, your ignorance is immense.

 

Sight allows me to narrow down heritage which allows me to triangulate likely cannabinoid profiles. Smelling allows me to determine terpene/phenol profiles because I know what the main ones smell like and what heritages favor certain components. 

 

 I love you using me as stating I could tell you exactly the cannabinoid profiles by my nose.  I guess I just happen to have a much larger knowledge of marijuana and can narrow things down rather quickly by sight and smell. A bigger picture analysis? Not sure. Experience? Old timer status?  Want me to tell you how the wind blows too?  :-p

I'd love to pay for the tests to check this but he'd likely not believe the tests are accurate and say that he's right anyway.  So how about the Incognito from Dr Green thumb.  Are you up on the terpenes that don't smell?

How about menthol, eucalyptus and the other couple minty ones? Able to discern layers of those too?

Edited March 4, 2015 by Norby

[Restorium2]

None of this is the point. The bill DOES NOT say people can have more oil than they can have now. It says 2.5 ounces, period. Those who think the bill says otherwise are not reading correctly.

I've seen that people, even smart people here, hint hint, have, in your words, not read it correctly.

[YesMichigan]

Oh yeah? Who? I've seen way more people making the mistake of thinking that the 7 gram "gaseous" infused products definition refers to oil. Also a mistake.

 

This is exactly the type of wording they want. They had to obfuscate "any" so they could "simplify" it with "gaseous infused products" because hell if I don't say that every day.

[Restorium2]

Oh yeah? Who? I've seen way more people making the mistake of thinking that the 7 gram "gaseous" infused products definition refers to oil. Also a mistake.

Makes no difference now because the truth came to town....  Even if your oil is in liquid form it's not going to be seen as a liquid form for the purpose of these bills.

[Restorium2]

Here's one example;

 

just a copy of my earlier thoughts on the bills from the other thread, i may update this after re-reading the bills a few more times. as always, i still am not a lawyer, this is not legal nor medical advice, just my opinion.

 

http://legislature.mi.gov/doc.aspx?2015-HB-4210

http://legislature.mi.gov/doc.aspx?2015-HB-4209

the lyons bill moves protections for caregivers from section 4b to section 4e2 (previously 4d2).

(2) IS in possession of an amount of marihuana OR USABLE MARIHUANA AND USABLE MARIHUANA EQUIVALENTS that does not exceed the amount allowed under this act.

the bill will use MMMP funds to create the dispensary database.

plant resin and extraction/extract are not defined



as for gaseous amounts.. please lets not fight about what gaseous is.
wax shatter hash are all solids.
oil, tincture, balms are liquids.
gaseous would be some kind of aeresol product, maybe a breath spray or inhaler.


the sec4A (stupid name for a new section in the MMMA) addition in lyons bill provides a person is not subject to arrest prosecution or criminal penalty for a transfer or use of marihuana or usable marihuana equivalents from or to a provisioning center.
 

boiled down...

but it does not provide the same immunity from "denial of any right or privledge' like sec4 provides for .

what this means is that if you use marihuana or edible from a dispensary , then you CAN be given civil fines and such? or denied rights or privledges ? like they can take your drivers license away?

section 8 of the dispensary bill does not put the protections back in.
section 8 of calltons dispensary bill only provides protections from transferring, not USE...




onto calltons revised bill:

(f) "medical marihuana" means marihuana for medical use as that term is defined in section 3 of the michigan medical marihuana act, MCL 333.26423.

"medical marihuana" and "marihuana for medical use" is not defined in 333.26423, nor the lyons bill.


"a provisioning center shall not operate unless its agents are residents and have been michigan residents for at least 2 years."

no green rush here. nice. puremichigan!

it would be nice if the safety compliance facility agents had the same requirement.... flower "the werc shop".

all your sales and purchases at the dispensary will be put in the confidential connected database so stores cannot sell you more than your limit. btw this confidential database is open to court orders who will, i'm sure, be looking to see how much you bought near that date that you wrecked your car. or maybe how much you purchased and sold while asking your connected patients questions about supply problems? hmmmm many questions here.

 

[Restorium2]

another example posted here;

 

 

i believe the any preparation is taken out because its replaced by the edibles limits which are
16 oz of solid
72 of liquid
and the gaseous lol.. please lets not fight about what gaseous is again.
wax shatter hash are all solids last tiem i looked.
oil, tincture, balms are liquids as far as i can tell too.
gaseous would be some kind of aeresol product, maybe a breath spray or inhaler.

Edited March 4, 2015 by Restorium2

[t-pain]

you are quoting me. hooray

 

i'm not sure what zap is talking about. i think you guys are arguing in another language

[Restorium2]

you are quoting me. hooray

 

i'm not sure what zap is talking about. i think you guys are arguing in another language

He's saying that he thinks no one has made the mistake of thinking that oil could be counted as liquid. Or he wants to see some proof of it for credibility that it is happening.

I know it's happening because I have read it many times here.

Things like this do not escape me, I remember them, hunt them down, and present them like a cat with a dead mouse. 

I will admit that I was mistaken also. 

No one took the time to correct us.

It was left there like it was true.