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I'm Big Jae. A fellow Michigander who's had this hobby for 20 years! Yet I know there is always plenty more to learn & can't wait to hear back from Everyone. I say everyone because who knows, maybe you've learned something, don't want to share because you think it might be common knowledge, no way, I want you to share it! Maybe in your area and group of friends have figured out something that's alien to me. Haha! I'm open like a book and have lots of experience helping people set up their stuff in apartments to under ground hidden levels in their house. I build and repair computers, electronics of almost every type, ps3 ps4, xbox one, 360, cell phones, and much more. So I'm technical savy in some regards (if you need help w that stuff to I'm open to help anyone). I'm currently 90% of the way done setting up my new room and joined here to possibly share grow journals etc. I also would rather get info and swap shop with people from my own area as we can direct each other to places to get supplies of all types etc. So thanks for reading, look forward to hearing from all of you, consider me a newb, but feel free to ask me anything!!

 

Big Jae

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Welcome to the board, you'll find a lot of info here that has been covered: It may take you some time to flip through some of the old tropics but there are tons of them with loads of info on various grow types, styles, problems etc. Other than that, the best thing you can do is ask questions when you have them, and pay attention to what other folk post up! 

 

Take some, leave some, or be like me and tend to lurk.

 

Just remember: This isn't a forum for folks to "get the hookup" so to speak- Unless they're legitimately looking for a caregiver- in which case, lots of em in many areas! Just gotta take the time to find em'.

 

Tons of grow shops in mid mich, some of them known, some of them not so much!

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 Thanks for the reply! Yeah I'm actually looking for someone or a topic somewhere with someone who can give me some pointers or help me with running a couple 1K cool tube HID lights from my panel. I added a 30 amp 220 dual pole breaker & new wire when changing my gas water heater over to electric and it was easy. I would like to do the same thing for my two new 1k lights running them at a cooler 220 on their own separate breaker. Just do not want to buy a controller. Will probably build one.

 

Oh no I would never ask anyone for "the hookup" and if people on here are notorious for that let me make it clear now. I won't ever be doing anything like that & ask nobody to ask me either. Unless someone who has a serious illness needs a care giver and it's cool with everyone, that's different. I already am care giver to a few people who I do not charge any $ whatsoever for the medicine I provide them. I've been offered money to take on people many times, however I'm very much about helping people that can't help themselves. All I ask from my patients is a donation towards the breakdown of my electrical bill from the lights, They are very grateful I help them and I've made all their lives much more manageable. I've gotten to know their families and keep a very close circle. Although we are all legit, anonymity is very important to me.

 

So yeah If I came across that way I was just trying to be nice letting everyone know to never be afraid to ask me anything. Odds are I've seen it or can point you in the write direction. But I'm no electrician! lol I would just like to run my idea by someone to triple check it's safety. Thanks again and look forward to talking to you again.

 

P.S. When you say grow shops do you mean like stores with grow equipment or dispensaries? Because I live close to the Saginaw Bay and can only think of two from the Bay to Saginaw. From Saginaw to Flint however there are many rip off places that claimed to be dispensaries. A lot of them were selling what I would consider mid grade for top shelf prices. If it's harsh, it was grown hydro crammed with chemical nutes by a rookie who didn't leach their plants to keep weight up. Yuck! Plus all the mold covered herb I've seen. I hope when they finally make some rules the make it so only herb to be sold to sick / dying patients who can't afford to get anymore sick is all lab tested or would have to pass a quality control. Just MHO.

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Plus all the mold covered herb I've seen. I hope when they finally make some rules the make it so only herb to be sold to sick / dying patients who can't afford to get anymore sick is all lab tested or would have to pass a quality control. Just MHO.

 the haters are :watching:  

no worries, welcome to the forum! :P

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that might be difficult to discern since everyone in MI with a legal medical cannabis rec is actually sick.

Who would decide what illnesses should require tested meds, and what if the patient doesn't want to pay extra for that test?

 

with an immunosuppressant  illness  , maybe patients are in a better position to decide which cannabis they want to test, if at all.

 

I would gladly pay a lab for results if my patient insisted. Of course they would have to wait for the results, and would be required to reimburse me

for testing expenses.

An immune suppressant patient might be smarter than to buy their schwag from an unlawful seller ?

 

these are good discussion points imo. Some believe that some dispensaries are using the moldy weed show to further their agenda of removing our home grows. You can understand when they get upset at the thought of mandatory testing. Some of us pay for lab results other than mold presence. 

 

 

peace

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that might be difficult to discern since everyone in MI with a legal medical cannabis rec is actually sick.

Who would decide what illnesses should require tested meds, and what if the patient doesn't want to pay extra for that test?

 

with an immunosuppressant  illness  , maybe patients are in a better position to decide which cannabis they want to test, if at all.

 

I would gladly pay a lab for results if my patient insisted. Of course they would have to wait for the results, and would be required to reimburse me

for testing expenses.

An immune suppressant patient might be smarter than to buy their schwag from an unlawful seller ?

 

these are good discussion points imo. Some believe that some dispensaries are using the moldy weed show to further their agenda of removing our home grows. You can understand when they get upset at the thought of mandatory testing. Some of us pay for lab results other than mold presence. 

 

 

peace

 

Oh yeah I totally 100% agree. The reason I feel so strongly about it is because one patient I know with HIV had some issues. As I'm sure you know people with HIV really can't afford to get sick & this poor girl kept getting sick even though she was avoiding people doing everything she could to not catch a cold from anyone. She got very close to death a few years back and it was due to her medicinal marijuana was tainted with mold. I guess from what she said most of us without immune system problems don't get effected by this small amount but some like her does. She later told me that her doctor who actually did her application had introduced her and 4 other patients to a caregiver. All of these people were infected with HIV and all were getting sick from caregivers growing methods. So that's what I was thinking about when I wrote that.

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Her HIV doctor rec'd a grower? who sold mold?  wow, what a guy, I wonder why?

Doc should be publicly named for avoidance imo

 

No lol, her doctor hooked her up with a care giver because like lots of people that don't know where to even start when it comes to finding medical pot she was desperate and the guy who was growing actually had a pretty clean operation. But it was his drying and curing methods I guess where it got the mold. I think she said he had an iintake / exhaust set up in a spare room with only a panty hose filter on the intake. That's what I was told anyways. Never seen someone with an intake on there drying room personally. lol

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that might be difficult to discern since everyone in MI with a legal medical cannabis rec is actually sick.

Who would decide what illnesses should require tested meds, and what if the patient doesn't want to pay extra for that test?

 

with an immunosuppressant  illness  , maybe patients are in a better position to decide which cannabis they want to test, if at all.

 

I would gladly pay a lab for results if my patient insisted. Of course they would have to wait for the results, and would be required to reimburse me

for testing expenses.

An immune suppressant patient might be smarter than to buy their schwag from an unlawful seller ?

 

these are good discussion points imo. Some believe that some dispensaries are using the moldy weed show to further their agenda of removing our home grows. You can understand when they get upset at the thought of mandatory testing. Some of us pay for lab results other than mold presence. 

 

 

peace

 

I don't know about that, I know many people who have cards for non existent back problems. I mean look at how many people alone were using over the net doctors when it all started.

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Big Jae, I would like to use your technical services to have sensors installed in my grow for temp, lights on/off and sent to my phone (grow is 20 miles away).  i don't grow in my home anymore and want to keep better track of the distant situation and avoid unnecessary trips there when all is OK.  2.5 hours by city bus one way sux.  But, you're in Saginaw---long ways from Detroit.  but welcome to the board anyway.

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Big Jae, I would like to use your technical services to have sensors installed in my grow for temp, lights on/off and sent to my phone (grow is 20 miles away).  i don't grow in my home anymore and want to keep better track of the distant situation and avoid unnecessary trips there when all is OK.  2.5 hours by city bus one way sux.  But, you're in Saginaw---long ways from Detroit.  but welcome to the board anyway.

 

Well that might be possible and easily do able but they might be pissed in this forum if I did that. If you would like me to come "help" you and throw me some gas money since I'd be coming from 2 hours away that might be possible. I have mine set up just as you described but using motion activated cameras. Everytime the oscilating fan turns it sends a pic to an email, I just set it to only snap a pic every so often to avoid a bunch of emails. But I can get a clear hd camera shot of everything including hygrometer that's digital as long as everything is placed right. I just don't want ppl in here to think I was advertising or anything like that because sometimes I do learn stuff from these forums. I'm not one of those ppl who thinks they know it all. Nice to meet ya though.

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forum no care bout patients helping patients, even with cash. pic book could have put up a gofundmecom account to collect donations from members here most likely. I've seen them here before.   Very nice of you to offer help !!!!!!  you rock!

 

 There are great devices like Sentinel that do exactly what pic book wants, plug and play literally. Apps now make it possible to see your room in real time, and even make adjustments to ph, temps, c02, humidity, etc. They easily interface with alarm companies like adt for garden insurance coverage etc. Mine calls me when parameters are crossed, including motion sensor, temps, c02, electrical change like a bulb/ballast fail, power out, etc. audio and video from anywhere, and now emails of vids, issues.

 

are you willing to pay for internet service at your grow location? if so there are killer monitoring devices for every thing imaginable available online. all are plug and play, and a little costly. It might cost a whole branch just to pay for a video monitoring system for instance.... :P

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welcome to the forums Big Jae..

 

Thank you! Yes you could get a controller with one of those apps but if your not someone who knows how to use or install it and would like me to help you by doing that part I can. My set up is very simple, the cameras snap pictures when there is motion, an oscillating fan in your room is your motion, mount your digital hygrometer showing all the info you want and cost $20 for a nice one, set the motion's movement to only send a pic once every so many minutes, in my case every 15, sends that clear HD pic to your email or email you can make for this, than whenever your curious you simply check your email. Something even most peoples grandparents who aren't tech savy can do. Plus you'll now have miniature IR HD security cameras where ever you want for cheap. Total cost for 6 cameras, the DVR, and software was $200. Since it serves both purposes and will tell you what's going on in your room during lights out it's actually a handy investment for more than just keeping an eye on your room, you'll be able to watch your whole house!! I wondr how much one of those controllers is?  lol

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Extensive testing is required before FDA approval on pharmacueticals. This testing is done prior to release of the drug to the public.

 

The difference with cannabis is We the Public have been self medicating for centuries with virtually NO adverse side affects other than maybe a sudden craving for Doritos.

 

We know the medicinal properties and know how relatively harmless cannabis is compared the the awful side affect of many of the Tested pharmaceuticals on the market today.

 

We know cannabis treats many conditions with minimal impact on the body.

 

testing has failed us and the process has become a farce to promote pharmaceuticals. many pharmaceuticals have a drug approved but can't find a use for it because it fails the patients so pharma looks to Off label applications just to push their product.

 

here is a list of Tested and FDA approved Meds that as it turns out were more harmful than good.

 

Notice many Meds were pulled 1 year or LESS. Obviously testing failed us. If they had to pull a med within a year, their testing was a joke.

 

More money goes into marketing and advertising than research and development and testing That should tell us something.

 

Pharma doesn't care if it works or has plethora of harmful side effects...All they care about is unloading inventory and there bottom line.

 

 

http://prescriptiondrugs.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=005528

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Extensive testing is required before FDA approval on pharmacueticals. This testing is done prior to release of the drug to the public.

 

The difference with cannabis is We the Public have been self medicating for centuries with virtually NO adverse side affects other than maybe a sudden craving for Doritos.

 

We know the medicinal properties and know how relatively harmless cannabis is compared the the awful side affect of many of the Tested pharmaceuticals on the market today.

 

We know cannabis treats many conditions with minimal impact on the body.

 

testing has failed us and the process has become a farce to promote pharmaceuticals. many pharmaceuticals have a drug approved but can't find a use for it because it fails the patients so pharma looks to Off label applications just to push their product.

 

here is a list of Tested and FDA approved Meds that as it turns out were more harmful than good.

 

Notice many Meds were pulled 1 year or LESS. Obviously testing failed us. If they had to pull a med within a year, their testing was a joke.

 

More money goes into marketing and advertising than research and development and testing That should tell us something.

 

Pharma doesn't care if it works or has plethora of harmful side effects...All they care about is unloading inventory and there bottom line.

 

 

http://prescriptiondrugs.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=005528

Well to sum it up IMHO, They as in the government, pharm companies which are more powerful than any industry out there, don't ever want the chance of the public finding ways to medicate or cure themselves using things they can easily grow outside. 1000's of years ago Indians and others knew which plants to take for certain ailments. Since there wasn't massive industry polluting everything, not to mention how it's pounded into our heads that western medicine is the only safe method, so we all take pills for lots of diseases that never even existed in the past and if they did it was in very small numbers. Just a simple example of this is how millions of people buy mosquito repellent which is just tons of chemicals mixed together compared to just using oils from plants that are natural repellents. If pot becomes legal and millions find it cures there adhd, pain, or other things think about how much $ they would stand to lose. It's because now a days companies can't just have a good year with the same numbers as the year before, if they don't make tons more $ it'a a bad year meaning we are bombarded with bull bunny muffin everywhere we look making us believe we need things that we don't. There are enough resources generated in a year so every person on the planet could have a nice house, car, and live comfortably. But we as a species allow a few to run things and until that changes pharm companies will remain #1. Just my opinion.

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I personally think the link between MJ and COPD is more linked to pesticides and fungicides and COPD, but that's just me.  And even that takes 20-40 years in "normal" people, if there is a link at all, as i found studies saying there isn't, and I think that's the difference without taking a week of my life to go over the methods, who did the study, etc.etc.etc.

Anytime you ask society to enter a study adn don't test the products they are using, there is a BIG variable not being addressed in that study.  I personally believe any study that shows MJ as bad is either not flushed and their measuring what P,K,N,Mg and calcium does when smoked or they were sprayed and from over the border and they are measuring all that and fungicides and pesticides affect on the human system.

If there is no mandatory testing, certain dispenses will test a portion of their products out of desire and everyone can have their way.  Some can get tested meds and some don't have to.  I wish there was a way to punish people who sell moldy, pesticide ridden, unflushed meds to people but it seems anything that would work would hinder us and put unneded power to the "rulers".

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there is no link to copd and mj. where did you get that from norby ?

 

http://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20120103/marijuana-smoking-not-linked_to-chronic-breathing-problems

Cigarette smoking is a leading cause of COPD. And marijuana smoke contains many of the same chemicals as tobacco smoke.

 

Indeed, cigarette smokers in the study saw their lung function drop significantly over 20 years.

 

But that didn’t happen to people who only smoked marijuana.

 

In fact, the study found that the lung function of most marijuana smokers actually improved slightly over time.

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there is no link to copd and mj. where did you get that from norby ?

 

http://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20120103/marijuana-smoking-not-linked_to-chronic-breathing-problems

10 studies someone thru in my face, 9 from the US and one from England.  Don't feel like going back there to link them. Like I said there are many false papers out there and there is a paper that looked at all the studies, that took those papers into light and said there isn't a link.  The webmd article is the one that I was talking about.  COPD is linked to calcium receptors in one study, it's also related to weight and other factors.  Like I said, without going over all of them and why the 10 were wrong, it's just a way that may explain the inconsistency(of course other than the conspiracy of holding back the good info and bandering the false info, also)

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You really have to read up on the mutual arising of opposites.  We've been given false info so long that some people see NO problems with mj.  We already know that some people CAN'T smoke MJ because of lung complications.  If it were as innocuous as pure air then compromised people could smoke it.  There is the mutual arising of opposites and the false info that has been brandished for 100 years.  I don't think there is a link but I don't do studies and no one but the people who did the tests knows what could've been missed, and even then they are biased.  It's very hard to gleam truth out of everything and I don't live in a "this is definite" world as it hurts your ability to find the truth.  I don't believe anything and know very little so I always leave the possibilities open.  I appreciate the link but I have to know, not believe.  Somewhere in there is the truth.  And it may well be there is NO link, not no discernable link.  I just don't think I'm qualified, yet, to make that definite of a statement.  In the other forum it only arose the opposite of my thought and that does no good for anyone, each side just digs in and wears themselves out till no one cares anymore. 

So, if you are comfortable making that statement, I am fine with that.  Just google COPD and MJ and there will be more than enough papers to peruse.

this study says studies are incosistent but link use of MJ WITH smoking cigarettes leading to a synergistic effects of producing COPD.  So it seems, frfom this paper, it's linked if you smoke cigarettes.  Maybe smoking pot and having a hi amount of pollution increses risk, or weight and mj smoke increases risk?  I don't fully know the relation but even the gov't says it doesn't seem to be linked alone.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2665954/

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i cant even find the faulty studies, norby.

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2665954/

Given the consistently reported absence of an association between use of marijuana and abnormal diffusing capacity or signs of macroscopic emphysema, we can be close to concluding that smoking marijuana by itself does not lead to COPD.

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9001303

These findings do not support an association between regular marijuana smoking and chronic COPD

 

i just hate to see anyone (especialy a mj patient) repeat such lies.

 

gregs was asking for

Can you please point to any authoritative reports of harm done by not testing?

because there is no report, no research has been done.

its mostly just a bunch of lab techs who want testing so they get more work.

 

there are, of course, patients who wish to try different strains and combinations of percentages of cannibinoids. which can be found by testing. although there is no research to show which percentages help which conditions.

 

i have none of the answers.

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