jamieuke Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 (edited) Thursday June 25 1:00 on the steps of the Capitol in Lansing- join us for the official start of the MILegalize campaign- https://www.facebook.com/jamie.lowell/posts/10204443367269001 Please check out www.MILegalize.com to read the language, donate to the campaign and/ or sign up to volunteer. Edited June 21, 2015 by jamieuke GrowGoddess 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
imiubu Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 Now it's okay to rally @ the Capital? IS Michigan Medical Marijuana Association officially backing MiLegalize??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Restorium2 Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 I can't see a way past this being another time we put Schuette up to bat. I would rather pitch around this guy. Work around the edges with some other batters that might not be quite as dangerous to have at the plate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
suneday11 Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 The sky is falling today too?!?! Guess I'll burn one and meet it halfway :) trichcycler and medmanmike 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
imiubu Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 Then this thread title is misleading? Was this thread title purposely misleading? I wonder. I also noticed on social media, that the op used the term 'end prohibition' when posting about the milegalize campaign. milegalize in no way, shape or form ENDS PROHIBITION. Jaimie; stating milegalize will end prohibition is just not true and imo may be part of a scheme on your part that is just as manipulating as any of the media sources we constantly complain about here about their low brow tactics. Just as I believe this thread title is intended to do. I am curious as to whether these misleading statements to our community was done intentionally in an attempt to sway votes ? I call foul. Dlo, Hydraulic Jack , trichcycler and 1 other 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
suneday11 Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 (edited) Doesn't the mmma have a president? What does he say? I joke a lot, but I'm with you on this one. I would like to know where the mmma officially stands as our head moderator just casted some doubt into these posts. Edited June 21, 2015 by suneday11 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
suneday11 Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 Haha...not at all.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
trichcycler Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 am I allowed to use the MMMA endorsement on future endeavors without their stated support? sounds scary maybe allow the members to "vote" to see if the MMMA actually does support this initiative? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
trichcycler Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 I have a thread this morning attempting to do just that. please chime in and correct any falsities listed? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
imiubu Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 If Michigan Medical Marijuana Association is not endorsing MiLegalize I ask that the thread title be changed as it is misleading. We can continue the conversation honestly that way. Hydraulic Jack and suneday11 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Restorium2 Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 Then this thread title is misleading? Was this thread title purposely misleading? I wonder. I also noticed on social media, that the op used the term 'end prohibition' when posting about the milegalize campaign. milegalize in no way, shape or form ENDS PROHIBITION. Jaimie; stating milegalize will end prohibition is just not true and imo may be part of a scheme on your part that is just as manipulating as any of the media sources we constantly complain about here about their low brow tactics. Just as I believe this thread title is intended to do. I am curious as to whether these misleading statements to our community was done intentionally in an attempt to sway votes ? I call foul. Well put. The deception itself is enough to kick em to the curb. We need clearness and integrity running the show. No grey area shady wording or outright lies. We have had enough of that with medical. False hopes are just false. phaquetoo 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Restorium2 Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 The sky is falling today too?!?! Guess I'll burn one and meet it halfway :) Yup. Reality is still in business today. Life's a biotch like that. Smoke a fatty if you think it might help you forget for a minute. We will still be hear when you remember. Cannabis is not the cure for getting rid of Snyder/Schuette/Bad Legislators. You have to remember to vote them out. It takes a long time of remembering. Cannabis never makes me forget anything for very long, contrary to some seriously flawed studies. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobandtorey Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 What would this proposal seek to do? Legalize all forms marijuana for adults 21 and older- including topicals, oils, and tinctures.Allow for adults to cultivate up to 12 plants.Allow for the cultivation, possession, and otherwise processing of hemp and hemp products.Grant medical marijuana patients & consumers additional protections to things like 2nd amendment rights, education, and child custody.Provide patients access to medical marijuana when authorized by their doctor even if their condition does not qualify under Michigan’s Medical Marijuana Act.Provide licensing to marijuana establishments and large cultivation facilities.Establish a ten percent excise tax on recreational marijuana sales, but with no tax on medical marijuana patients.Require that the tax proceeds to be used to fund education, transportation, and local government.Remove all criminal penalties for distribution, cultivation, and possession of marijuana with the exception of sale to an unauthorized minor.Allow for civil infractions to be issued if the person is in violation of the actProtect consumers from search, seizure, and investigation by law enforcement for marijuana related offenses.Authorize local units of government to adopt limited regulation of marihuana facilities and stores. keylan, medmanmike, Indigro and 1 other 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
suneday11 Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 Great. On the other side of the coin, can we tone down the fear mongering. Read the text of the proposal. I really can't understand what people are worried about. Schitter has never gone up to bat for a marijuana defendant....he won't start in 2017 unless he has political motivation (which he might). It does you no good to continually point the finger at those that might agree with you. bunny muffin, look, stir. Bye Quote Link to post Share on other sites
t-pain Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 we had almost the same republicans in office in 2008 that we have now. does the mmma support milegalize? i dunno. its going to be hard to convince zap, as the seed of controlled substances has been firmly planted in his (and my) mind. is it better than what non-mmma people have now? absolutely. should the mmma, a patient and caregiver organization, support a non-medical legalization initiative? i figure if it helps patients stay out of court, then its a plus for medical. what we could do is make a list of all coa/msc cases and see how milegalize would help or wouldnt help those cases. for instance, although it wouldnt have helped bobandtorey who had plants growing together, because of idiot laws on constructive possession, they would have only had a $100 fine instead of 5 years in court. surely zap would support a change that protects patients from 5 years in court? even if its not true full "legalization" or decriminalization. kolane - its retroactive, so it would have helped him. king - $100 fine blysma - $100 fine mcqueen - $100 fine carruthers - $100 fine but what you dont realize is that many of these cases would never have even been found. as police wouldnt have been working to bust marijuana , since its an exception/right/legal/privledge (whatever msc wants to call it this week) for 21+ under milegalize. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobandtorey Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 we had almost the same republicans in office in 2008 that we have now. does the mmma support milegalize? i dunno. its going to be hard to convince zap, as the seed of controlled substances has been firmly planted in his (and my) mind. is it better than what non-mmma people have now? absolutely. should the mmma, a patient and caregiver organization, support a non-medical legalization initiative? i figure if it helps patients stay out of court, then its a plus for medical. what we could do is make a list of all coa/msc cases and see how milegalize would help or wouldnt help those cases. for instance, although it wouldnt have helped bobandtorey who had plants growing together, because of idiot laws on constructive possession, they would have only had a $100 fine instead of 5 years in court. surely zap would support a change that protects patients from 5 years in court? even if its not true full "legalization" or decriminalization. Thanks So you are saying no matter what Laws the people vote for the Courts/ Leo will not follow it ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
imiubu Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 I have read the text of the proposal, several times. I am not fear mongering. I am seeing beyond the language with out 'legalization' stars in my eyes. I ask that people remember that our gov't will only take and not give. Oh... and I gotta love what one member of the milegalize crew told me last week ... it's only $5000. for a license and that's not very much... wth? That is more than half of some people's yearly income for cripes sake! This is not a peoples bill, this bill still benefits the commercial interest over pt/ cg and the common recrecational user. I ask others to remember and to think with your own mind and not what is fed to us by the media. Hydraulic Jack and Hayduke 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
t-pain Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 well when rent for a dispensary building is ~$1000+ a month, a $5000 license is not that much. or are you saying that to be a caregiver for multiple people, you would want the $5000 license? @bob, no , the courts mostly follow the law, as you saw in 2009 with your dismissal. i think people (and lawyers) dont have a grasp on exactly what the law says, because its all shenanigans with words. thats why zap and i want marijuana removed from controlled substances because thats ultimately the reason why marijuana is a crime. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
imiubu Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 t, I am 100% against this proposal and all legalization proposals. I am seeing people on other forums and social media sites beginning to also question 'legalization' and whether it's the right move and timing. I say, no it's not. Not now in MI. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
t-pain Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 i'm curious when we will have a marijuana friendly legislature. hey maybe one day.... suneday11 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobandtorey Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 well when rent for a dispensary building is ~$1000+ a month, a $5000 license is not that much. or are you saying that to be a caregiver for multiple people, you would want the $5000 license? @bob, no , the courts mostly follow the law, as you saw in 2009 with your dismissal. i think people (and lawyers) dont have a grasp on exactly what the law says, because its all shenanigans with words. thats why zap and i want marijuana removed from controlled substances because thats ultimately the reason why marijuana is a crime. OK but for that to happen the people must change the Michigan constitution ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
t-pain Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 the phc and controlled substance list are not in the constitution. MCL 333.7xxx is the PHC. the constitution does not have to be changed to remove marijuana from the laws of michigan. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobandtorey Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 i'm curious when we will have a marijuana friendly legislature. hey maybe one day.... I think not look at what has happen to the Law we have today and what we had from 2008 no way anyday Quote Link to post Share on other sites
suneday11 Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 I'm not going to claim to know the inner working of our legislature, but I do know this; a rookie legislator do NOT get to write, co-author, or hardly support new bills. You play by the rules or the rest of them eat you up and spit you out. It's not so simple as voting one out and other in. Remember there us a lot of land and people between gr, kzoo, aa, det, flint, and traverse....they tend to vote the way they do. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
t-pain Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 I think not look at what has happen to the Law we have today and what we had from 2008 no way anydayyou're not going to "hold your breath" ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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