I'm A Caregiver. I Was Jacked For 4 Oz, Caught The Guy Held Him There Called The Police, They Did Nothing

[Highlander]

This story is a good lesson for people to learn from.  I'm not criticizing the OP at all, but we've seen many people who get into caregiving due to greed and many who do it because they are simply poor and hope to use MMJ to make ends meet.  There are many problems for the person looking to be a caregiver just to make ends meet.  He has to pay for the start-up costs for seeds or clones and equipment and pay utility bills for four months and just hope it works out.  Then, if problems arise, such as humidity, temperatures, odors, etc., this requires additional investment.  Finally, after spending all of this money and labor, when the finished product comes, there may be some desperation to sell it quickly.  This kinda seems to be  the case here.  I don't know why a prospective caregiver would meet a prospective patient with four oz. in one bag.  Was he thinking he was going to sit in his car and weigh-out 2.5 oz. or less for the initial transfer?  If it was a matter of offering samples, why bring 4 ounces?  Something isn't adding up here.

[Restorium2]

So even if you sued the guy for snatching your stash you probably would not be able to collect anything from the dead beat even if you won in court like I did. I spent a couple hundred to win in court and I represented myself.

[Restorium2]

We have a few different topics going in this thread.  My understanding of the conventional, widely-accepted wisdom for using a firearm for personal protection is to "aim for the center of mass."  I guess there are two reasons for this.  1.  You're more likely to hit the target when you aim for the biggest target (the torso) because very few people can hit a small target even at close range.  2.  If you're in a situation where you are compelled to pull out a pistol, you're in a situation where you should be ready to kill someone - not shoot to hurt.  If your life is threatened, you shoot to kill.  Even CPL instructors (at least some I've talked to) explain that if the other guy is dead, that's one fewer witness who can testify against you.   

This is what I was taught also. You protect your gun to the death because they will kill you with it if you don't. 

[trichcycler]

Geesh guys, I know if my life was worth a few grams of weed or a few bucks, and wanted to sell pot on craigslist, and carry a pistol for those times when a dope sale goes bad and I need to pop a cap in a patients face....... I would not have registered with the state duh.  Can take the marijuana out of the gangsta but you cant take the gangsta out of marijuana

 

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[trichcycler]

We have a few different topics going in this thread.  My understanding of the conventional, widely-accepted wisdom for using a firearm for personal protection is to "aim for the center of mass."  I guess there are two reasons for this.  1.  You're more likely to hit the target when you aim for the biggest target (the torso) because very few people can hit a small target even at close range.  2.  If you're in a situation where you are compelled to pull out a pistol, you're in a situation where you should be ready to kill someone - not shoot to hurt.  If your life is threatened, you shoot to kill.  Even CPL instructors (at least some I've talked to) explain that if the other guy is dead, that's one fewer witness who can testify against you.   

 

viva life, but bad guys have sued, their families have sued too, when they were hurt or killed during their crime. 

[Kingdiamond]

Dont worry about the cannabis thats nothing compared to outing yourself to law enforcement you are now officially being watched tread lightly and follow the law .

[Kingdiamond]

trying to play that "I got the last word in, I win!" game, is really immature, you should get past that bud. But hey, whatever helps you feel more superior, am I right?    

 

Grow some balls civi.

Cmon guys be civil here..

[GrowGoddess]

Unfortunately shooting them in the chest would have much more serious legal ramifications in these situations, unless the other individual had actually produced the firearm they were threatening my life with, they're going to get a "friendly" life reminder- a .44 in the knee.

 

"experience" isn't worth throwing away the blanket made out of my DD-214.

 

Not what my lawyer or gun instructor recommends. My lawyer recommends that if you feel you need to pull out the firearm, you pull it out and shoot to kill. Otherwise you have high odds of brandishing, or attempted murder charges. You have to prove your life or the lives of others around you were actually in danger before using that firearm. Dumping the entire clip into the assailant could be considered a piece of evidence that you were terrified for your life. Shooting them in a non life threatening manner is a display that you were not in a life threatening situation. This is based upon my lawyers recommendations. This lawyer is a specialist in firearms use and safety. 

 

Also, dead men tell no tales....

 

I would not meet up with a patient if I felt I needed to carry a firearm to the meeting. Cannabis and firearms don't mix. I take all the precautions I can, and schedule the first meeting, and several thereafter, in a public place. No need to make myself vulnerable to a bad situation. If they try to take the product, let them take it, no need to fight or create a bigger issue. If you can't afford to lose it, don't take it with you. Bad things can and do happen. Why make it potentially worse?

 

Forgotten wallet or patient card, bummer, you ain't seeing or touching anything until I see the card and ID to verify. I would have considered the meeting over right then and there. Don't have time to play games.

[Restorium2]

Geesh guys, I know if my life was worth a few grams of weed or a few bucks, and wanted to sell pot on craigslist, and carry a pistol for those times when a dope sale goes bad and I need to pop a cap in a patients face....... I would not have registered with the state duh.  Can take the marijuana out of the gangsta but you cant take the gangsta out of marijuana

 

before

It's not really about weed. I hate it when people act like weed has some sort of criminal stigma attached to it. It's about how you protect yourself when dealing with strangers and things of value. Heck, I went to buy a treadmill off Craigs List and the seller showed me he had a gun so I wouldn't pull any funny business. Dam treadmills are full of gangsta too! It's America. You have to accept the fact that we are mostly gun toting individuals. Assume everyone has one and learn to fit into that scenario. If you showed a stranger a box of old coins you had for sale they could try to snatch a handful just like what happened to the victim here with his cannabis. This adventure was not an exclusive cannabis event. It could happen with anything of value.

[Restorium2]

People twisting these events into a scenario exclusive to cannabis plays right into the hands of those who restrict cannabis. It gives them justification to treat cannabis differently than other things people sell every day. A box of anything small, of value, and legal would be just as dangerous as a box of cannabis in this same situation. 

[phaquetoo]

Did you file a garnishment via the state tax?

 

 That is the best way to get  your money after a judgment.

 

 You don't need to know bank or employment.....

 

 

edit:  http://www.michigan.gov/taxes/0,1607,7-238-43513_44135-168434--,00.html#garnishment

you have to file the garnishment papers every pay day for the thief, its not worth it, and 2 oz's is not worth calling the po po's. if it is for him he shouldnt be a c.g!

 

if the guy is on ssi or ssdi no one can garnish it but the friend of court,,,,,,no one!

 

Peace

[phaquetoo]

 No crime had been committed at that point right?

He was in the commision of commiting a crime!   no matter what you say, as told by the op, the guy was in the commision of commiting a crime........he had no intention of purchasing any thing, he was there to rob the guy!

 

Open your eyes, use your head!

 

Peace

[phaquetoo]

You obviously have no clue, if you did, you'd know that a DD214 is a separation from the military. 

 

Troll harder, maybe one day you'll get it buddy.

 

Speaking of asking a soldier, maybe you should nut up and join some day? Then like some of us, you can have your very own DD214. Until then, stick to making remarks from behind your computer. 

im out of likes, I would give you all 20 of mine if I had them,

 

I agree, maim the phaq, and no he isnt getting up after his knee cap is blown lol!

 

No need to kill and have that big investigation, plus the thief will never learn his lesson if he is dead!

 

Peace

[Restorium2]

im out of likes, I would give you all 20 of mine if I had them,

 

I agree, maim the phaq, and no he isnt getting up after his knee cap is blown lol!

 

No need to kill and have that big investigation, plus the thief will never learn his lesson if he is dead!

 

Peace

He could sue the caregiver for damages because he was shot in the knee even IF you could prove he was trying to rob you. It could cost him a million bucks. This is really bad advice phaquer. Really bad. 

[trichcycler]

Not what my lawyer or gun instructor recommends. My lawyer recommends that if you feel you need to pull out the firearm, you pull it out and shoot to kill. Otherwise you have high odds of brandishing, or attempted murder charges. You have to prove your life or the lives of others around you were actually in danger before using that firearm. Dumping the entire clip into the assailant could be considered a piece of evidence that you were terrified for your life. Shooting them in a non life threatening manner is a display that you were not in a life threatening situation. This is based upon my lawyers recommendations. This lawyer is a specialist in firearms use and safety. 

 

Also, dead men tell no tales....

 

I would not meet up with a patient if I felt I needed to carry a firearm to the meeting. Cannabis and firearms don't mix. I take all the precautions I can, and schedule the first meeting, and several thereafter, in a public place. No need to make myself vulnerable to a bad situation. If they try to take the product, let them take it, no need to fight or create a bigger issue. If you can't afford to lose it, don't take it with you. Bad things can and do happen. Why make it potentially worse?

 

Forgotten wallet or patient card, bummer, you ain't seeing or touching anything until I see the card and ID to verify. I would have considered the meeting over right then and there. Don't have time to play games.

 

If I felt I need to carry a gun to sell some old coins to a fella I met on craigslist, I would just keep the coins, or sell them to a coin dealer at his store. Like meeting patients to sell them cannabis, if I need to bring a gun I must not have done my job in our interviews, or am compromising my standards. 

 

Cannabis isn't a box of coins. Cannabis is illegal for the majority of people to possess in our state. Selling the drug to a stranger has different dynamics than selling coins to a stranger. I wouldn't sell marijuana to someone until I felt they were not a stranger any longer. I interview until we both feel the same, or I move on.

I like your lawyers advice GG! money well spent

[trichcycler]

well gee, maybe a shot guy wouldn't spark an investigation?     he needs medical attention, the gun is most likely registered, the bullet will be recovered, and the evidence will get lost in a storage locker.   craigslist gun toting sellers can only hope

 

entering the grow room?   leave gun in safe, check

driving with cannabis in the car, leave the gun in the safe, check

growing cannabis, leave he guns in another place., check

 

for best results, don't sell drugs to strangers either. man, I cant believe someone would shoot a person, in the leg or otherwise if they grabbed their marijiuana sample and ran. unbelievable.  things start to make sense

[bobandtorey]

Always aim for the middle of the chest.

 

 I hear "wing em" and I know it is somebody with no experience.

 

;-p

 

.... and yes, I agree.

 

:-)

 

 

Aim small miss small ?

[phaquetoo]

He could sue the caregiver for damages because he was shot in the knee even IF you could prove he was trying to rob you. It could cost him a million bucks. This is really bad advice phaquer. Really bad. 

Thats one of the messed up things with laws, a person breaks into  your home,  you kill him, his family sues you and gets every thing  you own,  I know that kind of thing happens, but it shouldnt,,,,,,,,,here is even worse advice, go get rid of his family that can sue! (jk)

 

Peace

[Restorium2]

 

If I felt I need to carry a gun to sell some old coins to a fella I met on craigslist, I would just keep the coins, or sell them to a coin dealer at his store. Like meeting patients to sell them cannabis, if I need to bring a gun I must not have done my job in our interviews, or am compromising my standards. 

 

Cannabis isn't a box of coins. Cannabis is illegal for the majority of people to possess in our state. Selling the drug to a stranger has different dynamics than selling coins to a stranger. I wouldn't sell marijuana to someone until I felt they were not a stranger any longer. I interview until we both feel the same, or I move on.

I like your lawyers advice GG! money well spent

Some people need to sell stuff. Like the guy who sold me the treadmill on Craigs that had a gun. You do what you need to do to survive. Where there is a will there is a way. The way might include personal protection in case things go bad. It is what it is. Humans learn to adapt. Learn to adapt or perish. 

[trichcycler]

People twisting these events into a scenario exclusive to cannabis plays right into the hands of those who restrict cannabis. It gives them justification to treat cannabis differently than other things people sell every day. A box of anything small, of value, and legal would be just as dangerous as a box of cannabis in this same situation.

I agree Resto. People talking about shooting patients does similar. Caregivers toting guns and willing to shoot people in the leg for stealing their delivery samples might accomplish the same also. Selling marijuana to strangers is dangerous business. I don't see cannabis as the dangerous item in the ops story though, I see meeting strangers online and showing them quarter pounds in parking lots as dangerous, and possibly used against legitimate patients.

I don't meet anyone until after the state has verified their status in the registry. I doubt a "registered to you patient" would smack and grab anything with his name and address, DL, MJ card all in the know.

 

peace

[Restorium2]

I agree Resto. People talking about shooting patients does similar. Caregivers toting guns and willing to shoot people in the leg for stealing their delivery samples might accomplish the same also. Selling marijuana to strangers is dangerous business. I don't see cannabis as the dangerous item in the ops story though, I see meeting strangers online and showing them quarter pounds in parking lots as dangerous, and possibly used against legitimate patients.

I don't meet anyone until after the state has verified their status in the registry. I doubt a "registered to you patient" would smack and grab anything with his name and address, DL, MJ card all in the know.

 

peace

I agree. I would rather let them have what I have and not kill someone. I just don't want that on my resume. You have to keep your ideals in mind when you decide on how a deal is going to be made. I would only shoot someone if backed into a corner. So I would be prepared to give up the sample before I even went there. But that is my choice and others might do it differently. 

[bobandtorey]

 

If I felt I need to carry a gun to sell some old coins to a fella I met on craigslist, I would just keep the coins, or sell them to a coin dealer at his store. Like meeting patients to sell them cannabis, if I need to bring a gun I must not have done my job in our interviews, or am compromising my standards. 

 

Cannabis isn't a box of coins. Cannabis is illegal for the majority of people to possess in our state. Selling the drug to a stranger has different dynamics than selling coins to a stranger. I wouldn't sell marijuana to someone until I felt they were not a stranger any longer. I interview until we both feel the same, or I move on.

I like your lawyers advice GG! money well spent

 

 

Thanks 

 

I have a coin for sell also

[bobandtorey]

Wow ! 

 

Lot's of people do not know this

 

Just because you are a card holder you should not be aloud to carrie a Gun ? per/MSP

[t-pain]

any cop who submits medical marijuana patient info to NICS would be violating that 333.26426h4 misdemeanor....

[GrowGoddess]

well gee, maybe a shot guy wouldn't spark an investigation?     he needs medical attention, the gun is most likely registered, the bullet will be recovered, and the evidence will get lost in a storage locker.   craigslist gun toting sellers can only hope

 

entering the grow room?   leave gun in safe, check

driving with cannabis in the car, leave the gun in the safe, check

growing cannabis, leave he guns in another place., check

 

for best results, don't sell drugs to strangers either. man, I cant believe someone would shoot a person, in the leg or otherwise if they grabbed their marijiuana sample and ran. unbelievable.  things start to make sense

 

a safe with a combination lock..... it has to be a certified safe though, to give you the fullest protection of the law. They cant subpoena a combination, you have the right to remain silent. A keyed lock, that is a different scenario. A key can be court ordered.