Milegalize + Petitioners = Getting On The 2016 Michigan Ballot

[phaquetoo]

I was just laying out one possible scenario.  I didn't say I was the one paranoid geesh.

I have been to places where the petitions are just laying on the counter for anyone to sign or read.

 

Here another thing if y'all want to attack me for my opinions....

 

 

I have not nor will I sign either of the petitions currently being circulated.... OH... I did sign the no fracking petition.

 

Let the bashing of imi begin, idc.

so you will sign one petition sitting on a counter but you wont sign one that may help the mm or mj law!

 

That makes alot of sense,  so you dont want fracking so you sign it,,,,,,,so you must not want legalization since you didnt sign it!

 

I truly dont think that is a good way to rep 3ma!  with you just saying that, will no doubt keep newbies from doing it, I mean after all you are here to break up fights and tell people what they cant do! And you do that, your not just working behind the scenes like you said, you tell people what not to do all the time, while you are right there in the middle of it all,

 

Maybe you shouldnt be a mod!

 

have you been going to your city concil meetings as of late?  if so, dont let them bad people who want new laws follow you home, take a cab, than a bus, bike and alley's, I think you will be able to lose the bad petitions signers!

 

man I hope no one I know see's my name on the one I signed, they may finaly find out I smoke pot!

 

People at the places you see the petitions on the counter, dont pay their employee's to hold the sheet and cover others names while people sign it,,,,,,we need to be thankful that people let them be put in there business!

 

Peace

[phaquetoo]

Democracy also means I have a choice in what I support.

 

Just because I do not support either of the mmj initiatives does not mean that

I do not take every opportunity to make others aware of them and where they

can sign them locally.

 

Matter of fact... I was at the insurance company today and spoke with the agent

about both petitions.  She had already signed them.  She also told me her father

feels just as I do and will not sign either. 

 

Legalization will not "free the weed".

I dont care about weed being free, I care about pt's and c.g's not being in jail!

[imiubu]

Wow, notice I did not judge anyone else for their choices.

 

Just because I don't care if I get bashed for my opinions does not mean I won't defend them.

 

So, because I have differing views then I should not be a mod?

 

Wow... just wow.

 

 

I'll say this one more time more slowly... I   am   not   the   one   concerned   if   anyone   reads   my   name  on   a   petition. 

I was stating only that I have seen them left unattended and... some folks that are cautious/ paranoid may not want their name out there like that.

 

Good thing I am confident in my decisions.

If these attacks are meant to be a way to sway me,... nothing of substance has been offered up.

 

I do not support either mmj bill and I have that right.

[phaquetoo]

Wow, notice I did not judge anyone else for their choices.

 

Just because I don't care if I get bashed for my opinions does not mean I won't defend them.

 

So, because I have differing views then I should not be a mod?

 

Wow... just wow.

 

 

I'll say this one more time more slowly... I   am   not   the   one   concerned   if   anyone   reads   my   name  on   a   petition. 

I was stating only that I have seen them left unattended and... some folks that are cautious/ paranoid may not want their name out there like that.

 

Good thing I am confident in my decisions.

If these attacks are meant to be a way to sway me,... nothing of substance has been offered up.

 

I do not support either mmj bill and I have that right.

of course you have that right!

 

with you being a mod here, dont you think it may be best to not tell people you wont sign a petition because it is on a counter (like most ive signed) and you dont want people to see your name?

 

maybe a dif choice of your wording wont scare newbies into not signing it also!

 

Peace

[imiubu]

Jim... re read my post... I NEVER said I would not sign a petition setting out on a counter ... geesh.

 

 

Now, because I am a mod I need to re word everything that you don't approve of?

[phaquetoo]

I've seen them at grow stores, dips, testing labs and my clinic.

 

All places I'm not going to leave my name and address for the next guy to read lol.

 

you may as well of said it!  You liked this post, so you may as well of said it your self

I disagree.  If the petition is just sitting on a counter unattended... anyone can access it. 

 

 

Being cautious doesn't always equate to paranoia.

You didnt have to come out and say it, all you had to do is agree with some one who said it,

 

and I have nothing against paranoia, it has kept me from prison a few times!,,,,,,,,,,im not repping this site as a mod!

 

Peace

 

edit= ok I have to go wash my camper and seal the roof, Im getting the phaq out of here as soon as I can, at least for a few nites lol!

Edited April 30, 2016 by phaquetoo

[imiubu]

I disagree.  If the petition is just sitting on a counter unattended... anyone can access it. 

 

 

Being cautious doesn't always equate to paranoia.

 

Where do I state that I am the one paranoid or won't sign such a petition?

[imiubu]

You my friend are reading what you want to read in my post.

 

Stop projecting.

[bobandtorey]

The "sick". Lol

 

We're all sick.

 

Only the illegal dispensary operators/owners, over count, over weight, and greedy are in court with you.

 

They make the rest of us legal folk just a little more sick.

 

We the People voted to grow our own or have a caregiver help us with that.

 

dispensaries have injected themselves like a virus to infect the MMMP, they are not legal.

 

Abrogate is the only solution.

 

Free the Weed

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Free the Weed.......Abrogate

 

 

Thanks 

 

Only the illegal dispensary operators/owners, over count, over weight, and greedy are in court with you.? Mr. Hartwick wasn't a dispensary nor over his count he had about 4 - 5 OZ and was charged with 5 - 45 Keys 

 

Mr. Selman wasn't either i could go on and on with others 

 

By the way am not against Abrogate i've already signed it

[Tigersfann420]

I signed the petition. Although i am againt forced taxation I would rather see it become taxed so it can be legal and we can stop our brothers and sister's from going to rot in a jail.

[t-pain]

Just because I do not support either of the mmj initiatives does not mean that

I do not take every opportunity to make others aware of them and where they

can sign them locally.

 

Matter of fact... I was at the insurance company today and spoke with the agent

about both petitions. She had already signed them. She also told me her father

feels just as I do and will not sign either.

 

Legalization will not "free the weed".

this is what you said that makes it seem you didn't sign

 

edit: nevermind, someone used the term "vote" instead of "sign" ... imi, we are mostly middle-age or older here and probably all ate the lead chips as children. dont take it personally if we arent as sharp as you .

[phaquetoo]

This is your writing not mine!

You my friend are reading what you want to read in my post.

 

Stop projecting.

 

 

Democracy also means I have a choice in what I support.

 

Just because I do not support either of the mmj initiatives does not mean that

I do not take every opportunity to make others aware of them and where they

can sign them locally.

 

Matter of fact... I was at the insurance company today and spoke with the agent

about both petitions.  She had already signed them.  She also told me her father

feels just as I do and will not sign either. 

 

Legalization will not "free the weed".

I love it when I medicate and forget what I wrote lol!

 

Peace

[Indigro]

Wow, notice I did not judge anyone else for their choices.

 

Just because I don't care if I get bashed for my opinions does not mean I won't defend them.

 

So, because I have differing views then I should not be a mod?

 

Wow... just wow.

 

 

I'll say this one more time more slowly... I am not the one concerned if anyone reads my name on a petition.

I was stating only that I have seen them left unattended and... some folks that are cautious/ paranoid may not want their name out there like that.

 

Good thing I am confident in my decisions.

If these attacks are meant to be a way to sway me,... nothing of substance has been offered up.

 

I do not support either mmj bill and I have that right.

Il support u on this one imi...

 

In a grow shop... U likely grow... Now here's a name and addy associated w ur face... And the fact that u grow = target for rippers

 

In a pot shop... And they c u r familiar, and possibly a supplier... W a name, addy, face and car = a target for rippers

 

That's not paranoid, just being aware

[trichcycler]

I've seen them at grow stores, dips, testing labs and my clinic.

 

All places I'm not going to leave my name and address for the next guy to read lol.

 

before anyone has a misunderstanding about my "like" on shishka's post....there are many reasons to "like" a post. One does not necessarily have to agree with what was posted but may support the posters right to post their opinions, shared or not with the herd.

shish has a great point, and I dont care if he/she actually does/doesnt sign petitions, fact is, many people feel just the same and I'm glad the post came up to bring that to our attention.

some people value their privacy more than others value their own of course, and I respect that for sure.

 

cert centers are awesome places for these signatures to be collected.

[mibrains]

What exactly is a cert center?

 

You mean a doctors office?

 

The Dr patient relationship law put an end to cert mills.. so you must mean a Dr office is the place...

 

Sorry but I disagree..

it's one of the last places a MMJ petition should be located for signatures since everyone there has their identities protected by HIPPA regulations and to have a signature page available with a persons personal identifiable information exposed is a huge no no...

 

I signed one at the grow store..He did not have it out on the counter but instead had a sign indicating it was available.

 

to my way of thinking I signed because I want things here to be able to resemble CO.

I failed to sign the legalization petition that was circulated here in MI prior to CO passing their recreational law but now I have seen the light...

How many Billions did cannabis revenues create in the state of CO last year?

how many jobs?

how much paid in tax revenue to help the people of that state?

[t-pain]

i'm not big into caring about the business side. i vote and support legalization just to keep more people out of jail, especially the blacks.

 

http://www.drugpolicy.org/sites/default/files/Colorado_Marijuana_Arrests_After_Amendment_64.pdf

 

arrests / charges down about 80 percent amongst possession/cultivation. from 8000 a year down to 1,500 a year.

 

i still do not understand those who will not sign a paper so less people get arrested for a plant. i guess your signature is worth more than 20,000 felonies/misd in michigan each year.

 

but if you want to know business of it, "Legal US pot sales soar to $5.4B in 2015: Report - CNBC.com" http://www.cnbc.com/2016/02/01/legal-us-pot-sales-soar-in-2015.html

[mibrains]

I care about the business and money side.

 

I am an american..I want to succeed financially doing something I love doing..

 

But that said I really support it not for my own benefit but because I know that money talks... and to be in a position to be able to effect real helpful change you have to have deep pockets...I don't currently have any pockets let alone deep ones.

 

I want to earn a living growing cannabis...is that so wrong?

 

I would love to retire a millionaire... is that so wrong?

 

I would love to be able to provide high quality cannabis to the masses for $5 A gram or less... is that so wrong?

 

I would LOVE to hire a bunch of people and provide a good opportunity to work full time doing something they love...is that so wrong?

 

I would happily pay taxes on earned income and help my fellow statesmen....is that so wrong?

[trichcycler]

What exactly is a cert center?

 

You mean a doctors office?

 

The Dr patient relationship law put an end to cert mills.. so you must mean a Dr office is the place...

 

 

 

I didnt define them, but new patients tell me they google "https://www.google. com/#q=Michigan+medical+Marijuana+certification+centers" and several certification centers are showcased. These are assumed to be a place to locate a medical doctor that is marijuana friendly, but you already know that. I've worked with physicians for decades before retiring and have NEVER met more than two that were marijuana friendly, then I visited one at a certification center to provide records to LARA.

[imiubu]

this is what you said that makes it seem you didn't sign

 

edit: nevermind, someone used the term "vote" instead of "sign" ... imi, we are mostly middle-age or older here and probably all ate the lead chips as children. dont take it personally if we arent as sharp as you .

I did not sign either mmj petition t.  I do not support them.  I do not think that either will improve upon the MMMA.

If I am speaking out of place as a mod, then I will stop being a mod before I will stifle my opinions.

Idk about eating paint chips and what not but some folks could improve upon their reading comprehension and stop

twisting up other peoples words to fit their own agenda.

 

Il support u on this one imi...

 

In a grow shop... U likely grow... Now here's a name and addy associated w ur face... And the fact that u grow = target for rippers

 

In a pot shop... And they c u r familiar, and possibly a supplier... W a name, addy, face and car = a target for rippers

 

That's not paranoid, just being aware

Right.

 

before anyone has a misunderstanding about my "like" on shishka's post....there are many reasons to "like" a post. One does not necessarily have to agree with what was posted but may support the posters right to post their opinions, shared or not with the herd.

shish has a great point, and I dont care if he/she actually does/doesnt sign petitions, fact is, many people feel just the same and I'm glad the post came up to bring that to our attention.

some people value their privacy more than others value their own of course, and I respect that for sure.

 

cert centers are awesome places for these signatures to be collected.

Exactly.  I "like" posts for a variety of reasons and it doesn't always mean that I agree. 

 

 

 

 

 

Some folks might think about putting themselves in check before they try to control others, sigh.

[phaquetoo]

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Some folks might think about putting themselves in check before they try to control others, sigh."

 

 

I agree! and I also resemble that aqusation!  At least I am willing to admit it!

 

 

 

I dont realy care what mods do for the most part!  But when there is a heated argument going, mods included, it sure sucks when the mod involved calls for calm when they are taken to task!

 

Peace

[Indigro]

I care about the business and money side.

 

I am an american..I want to succeed financially doing something I love doing..

 

But that said I really support it not for my own benefit but because I know that money talks... and to be in a position to be able to effect real helpful change you have to have deep pockets...I don't currently have any pockets let alone deep ones.

 

I want to earn a living growing cannabis...is that so wrong?

 

I would love to retire a millionaire... is that so wrong?

 

I would love to be able to provide high quality cannabis to the masses for $5 A gram or less... is that so wrong?

 

I would LOVE to hire a bunch of people and provide a good opportunity to work full time doing something they love...is that so wrong?

 

I would happily pay taxes on earned income and help my fellow statesmen....is that so wrong?

Here's the thing (and im really not that far away from where u r imo)...

 

U cant do the decent, considerate and even fair thing... And be 'successful' when measuring that success w a dollar yard stick, esp if u want that yardstick to measure out in the millions. For any one of us to have more, others have to have less. Thats the bottom line to american capitalism.

 

there are alternative models, alternative value systems... But weed is being overrun by the standard american model. i can complain a long diatribe here but let me just say that u r using competing, almost mutually exclusive, value systems in what u want. There is something wrong w wanting to be a millionaire... It means many others to be at the poverty line.

[Indigro]

Complain above is biiitch, lol, we just need to ditch that auto correct, what good does it really do anyway

[phaquetoo]

Complain above is biiitch, lol, we just need to ditch that auto correct, what good does it really do anyway

it keeps us from telling each other to f u ck off! lol

 

It would say making whoopi off lol

 

Peace

[Willy]

it keeps us from telling each other to f u ck off! lol

 

It would say making whoopi off lol

 

Peace

sometimes it just feels good to tell someone to go fuk themselves..

[pic book]

For any one of us to have more, others have to have less. Thats the bottom line to american capitalism.

 

 

No no no no.

In this city henry ford had much more than his workers in the factories.  Yet the standard of living rose in Detroit, and even assembly line folks could buy cars.

What you describe is a zero sum game, and casinos fit what you describe since, if the house gets more, the player(s)  [fools who take a risk when the odds favor the house] end up with less. True also of commodity futures, but not true in stocks. 

Your blanket statement holds truth only in certain situations, and not in the bulk of situations.

Your statement is true of government budgeting, due to tax collections being finite, and when a dollar is spent on roads that's a dollar less available to be spent on education.  Anytime a single pie must be divided up, you are correct.  You are not correct when endeavors result in multiple pies.