+Malamute Posted September 8, 2016 Report Share Posted September 8, 2016 ...and the whole transportation thing... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CedarSpringsCG Posted September 8, 2016 Report Share Posted September 8, 2016 (edited) They stole 8.9mill from patients to pay for dispensaries andopenedup the confidential system to private entities. Well, I would rather them steal it to provide a service some patients can use instead of giving it to police for "training" which they really use for overtime to raid people... Just in case you didn't know, the 30 million surplus the MMMA has is being given out in grants to police departments who are using them to raid patients... Edited September 8, 2016 by CedarSpringsCG Hempcheff 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
matt79 Posted September 8, 2016 Report Share Posted September 8, 2016 (edited) I think the law goes into effect in 360 days aftee being signed Edited September 8, 2016 by matt79 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Willy Posted September 8, 2016 Report Share Posted September 8, 2016 So for us layman what do these laws really mean to a caregiver and patient. medmanmike, Dlo and Pain 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
free420country Posted September 8, 2016 Report Share Posted September 8, 2016 So does this mean they now know who we all are, even if we have never been to a dispensary? Will they just be able to search at will and find out who we all are?.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
free420country Posted September 8, 2016 Report Share Posted September 8, 2016 I just read threw 4210 and it really seemed to be a good deal for us..we can make edibles, concentrates,even bho if we do it outside and also makes it legal to have 36oz of concentrates liquid that only counts as 1 oz. Looks like a good deal....just my opinion Quote Link to post Share on other sites
t-pain Posted September 8, 2016 Report Share Posted September 8, 2016 I'm losing sleep this election cycle :/ pergamum362 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Highlander Posted September 8, 2016 Report Share Posted September 8, 2016 This story claims it passed 28-9. HB 4210 does amend the MMMA. http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2016/09/senate_moves_to_clear_up_legal.html This story claims it passed 28-9. HB 4210 does amend the MMMA. http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2016/09/senate_moves_to_clear_up_legal.html Thank you. I hadn't looked at 4210. In my initial read of 4210, I'm pleased to see some good changes. The bill replaces "shall" in many places with better language. I've read a lot about how "shall" has been used loosely in recent years and that "shall" means more or less "has a duty to" but "shall" has been used frequently where it shouldn't have been used. Example: F) (e) A registered primary caregiver may receive compensation for costs associated with assisting a registered qualifying patient in the medical use of marihuana. Any such compensation shall DOES not constitute the sale of controlled substances. This falls in line with an argument I have been making for years - that the intent of the MMMA wasn't to put the onus on a CG that the CG has to prove that receiving compensation for providing MMJ doesn't constitute a sale. This amended language clears that up. By taking "shall" out of the language and replacing it with "does not" is a huge step for CGs. This is a subtle but monumental change. medmanmike and Hempcheff 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
keylan Posted September 9, 2016 Report Share Posted September 9, 2016 Although unfortunately last minute amendments were approved that make BHO manufacture totally illegal on residential property. And theoretically you can only have 2.5 ounces of concentrates, but the police think you can have 17.5 grams, and others might read it to mean 90 fluid ounces. It is not solid language, but the 2.5 ounces is where it will likely fall based on definition. So if I have the infamous pan of Brownies I'm still over because they are still counting the total weight. What about just oil ??? I'm confused and prefer to err on the side that keeps me out of court Quote Link to post Share on other sites
+Malamute Posted September 9, 2016 Report Share Posted September 9, 2016 What is CURTILAGE?The enclosed space of ground and buildings immediately surrounding a dwelling-house. In its most comprehensive and proper legal signification, it includes all that space of ground and buildings thereon which is usually enclosed within the general fence immediately surrounding a principal messuage and outbuildings, and yard closely adjoining to a dwelling-house, but it may be large enough for cattle to be levant and couchant therein. 1 Chit. Gen. Pr. 175. The curtilage of a dwelling-house is a space, necessary and convenient and habitually used for the family purposes, and the carrying on of domestic employments. It includes the garden, if there be one. and it need not be separated from other lands by fence. State v. Shaw, 31 Me. 523; Com. v. Rarney, 10 Cush. (Mass.) 480; Derrickson v. Edwards, 29 N. J. Law, 474. SO Am. Dec. 220. The curtilage is the court-yard in the front or rear of a house, or at its side, or any piece of ground lying near, enclosed and used with, the house, and necessary for the convenient occupation of the house. People v. Geduey, 10 Ilun (X. Y.) 154. In Michigan the meaning of curtilage lias been extended to include more than an enclosure near the house. People v. Taylor, 2 Mich. 250. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pergamum362 Posted September 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2016 What is CURTILAGE? The enclosed space of ground and buildings immediately surrounding a dwelling-house. In its most comprehensive and proper legal signification, it includes all that space of ground and buildings thereon which is usually enclosed within the general fence immediately surrounding a principal messuage and outbuildings, and yard closely adjoining to a dwelling-house, but it may be large enough for cattle to be levant and couchant therein. 1 Chit. Gen. Pr. 175. The curtilage of a dwelling-house is a space, necessary and convenient and habitually used for the family purposes, and the carrying on of domestic employments. It includes the garden, if there be one. and it need not be separated from other lands by fence. State v. Shaw, 31 Me. 523; Com. v. Rarney, 10 Cush. (Mass.) 480; Derrickson v. Edwards, 29 N. J. Law, 474. SO Am. Dec. 220. The curtilage is the court-yard in the front or rear of a house, or at its side, or any piece of ground lying near, enclosed and used with, the house, and necessary for the convenient occupation of the house. People v. Geduey, 10 Ilun (X. Y.) 154. In Michigan the meaning of curtilage lias been extended to include more than an enclosure near the house. People v. Taylor, 2 Mich. 250. is that word in the language in one of the bills? I just got through with 4209, gona save the others for morning Quote Link to post Share on other sites
+Malamute Posted September 9, 2016 Report Share Posted September 9, 2016 They added these amendments last minute on the floor: House Bill No. 4210, entitled A bill to amend 2008 IL 1, entitled "Michigan medical marihuana act," by amending sections 3, 4, 6, and 7 (MCL 333.26423, 333.26424, 333.26426, and 333.26427), sections 3 and 4 as amended by 2012 PA 512 and section 6 as amended by 2012 PA 514, and by adding sections 4a and 4b. The following are the amendments recommended by the Committee of the Whole: 1. Amend page 1, following “THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF MICHIGAN ENACT:" by inserting: "TITLE An initiation of Legislation to allow under state law the medical use of marihuana; to provide protections for the medical use of marihuana; to provide for a system of registry identification cards for qualifying patients and primary caregivers; to impose a fee for registry application and renewal; TO MAKE AN APPROPRIATION; to provide for the promulgation of rules; to provide for the administration of this act; to provide for enforcement of this act; to provide for affirmative defenses; and to provide for penalties for violations of this act.". 2. Amend Page 4 , following line 14, by inserting: "(G) "MARIHUANA PLANT" MEANS ANY PLANT OF THE SPECIES CANNABIS SATIVA L." and relettering the remaining subdivisions. 3. Amend Page 4, following line 26, by inserting: "(J) "PLANT" MEANS ANY LIVING ORGANISM THAT PRODUCES ITS OWN FOOD THROUGH PHOTOSYNTHESIS AND HAS OBSERVABLE ROOT FORMATION OR IS IN GROWTH MATERIAL." and relettering the remaining subdivisions. 4. Amend page 19, line 14, after "program." by inserting "FOR THE FISCAL YEAR ENDING SEPTEMBER 30, 2016, $8,500,000.00 IS APPROPRIATED FROM THE MARIHUANA REGISTRY FUND TO THE DEPARTMENT FOR ITS INITIAL COSTS OF IMPLEMENTING THE MEDICAL MARIHUANA FACILITIES LICENSING ACT AND THE MARIHUANA TRACKING ACT.". 5. Amend page 20, line 11, after "EXTRACTION" by striking out the balance of the line and inserting "IN ANY PUBLIC PLACE OR MOTOR VEHICLE, OR INSIDE OR WITHIN THE CURTILAGE OF ANY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE. (7) SEPARATE PLANT RESIN FROM A MARIHUANA PLANT BY BUTANE EXTRACTION IN A MANNER THAT DEMONSTRATES A FAILURE TO EXERCISE REASONABLE CARE OR RECKLESS DISREGARD FOR THE SAFETY OF OTHERS.". 6. Amend page 21, line 22, after "offense." by inserting "Retroactive application of this amendatory act does not create a cause of action against a law enforcement officer or any other state or local governmental officer, employee, department, or agency that enforced this act under a good-faith interpretation of its provisions at the time of enforcement.". Quote Link to post Share on other sites
+Malamute Posted September 9, 2016 Report Share Posted September 9, 2016 So, the above amendment number 5 would look like this. Black being amendment added from house. Blue being new language added by the Senate. Red being stricken by the Senate. (6) SEPARATE PLANT RESIN FROM A MARIHUANA PLANT BY BUTANE EXTRACTION INSIDE A RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE. IN ANY PUBLIC PLACE OR MOTOR VEHICLE, OR INSIDE OR WITHIN THE CURTILAGE OF ANY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE. (7) SEPARATE PLANT RESIN FROM A MARIHUANA PLANT BY BUTANE EXTRACTION IN A MANNER THAT DEMONSTRATES A FAILURE TO EXERCISE REASONABLE CARE OR RECKLESS DISREGARD FOR THE SAFETY OF OTHERS.". Quote Link to post Share on other sites
+Malamute Posted September 9, 2016 Report Share Posted September 9, 2016 And btw, can I laugh about butane extraction in a motor vehicle.... medmanmike 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
+Malamute Posted September 9, 2016 Report Share Posted September 9, 2016 Aren't there 38 senators? If so, do they count the unvoted? Or do they only count actual votes? 28 out of 38 is 73%, not 75%. but if they only count the ones actually voted it would be 75.6%... So maybe we are good to go. I hope so, I have a couple really awesome recipes that I would love to start making again. There is currently only 37 Senators serving due to a resignation in District 4. Virgil Smith in Detroit due to a prison sentence. But he would have voted for it almost definitely,...so,....yea. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
+Malamute Posted September 9, 2016 Report Share Posted September 9, 2016 So if I have the infamous pan of Brownies I'm still over because they are still counting the total weight. What about just oil ??? I'm confused and prefer to err on the side that keeps me out of court you can have 16oz of brownies. When the law passes etc. Edit: correction 1 oz of usable = 16oz brownies(edible substance) so 40 oz brownies = 2.5 oz of usable marijuana. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jamieuke Posted September 9, 2016 Report Share Posted September 9, 2016 I thought it was always 180 days for petitions. The only time the 180 limit to petition has ever been the law- is when Governor Snyder signed SB 776 and created PA142 in June of this year. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pergamum362 Posted September 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2016 So where does that leave patients/cg to make bho or other similiar extracts? Would i have to rent an industrial site, for the sole purpose of making extracts? Yes mal...i think we all can laugh about making bho in a car..but then again, history has shown there are severely intelligence deficient people. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
+Malamute Posted September 9, 2016 Report Share Posted September 9, 2016 I know. I laugh now... but I am seriously wondering who will be the first one to get busted for making BHO in their camper at the state park. My money is on phaqutoo. Complete idiot. right up his alley. Hahahaha..... cristinew 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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cristinew Posted September 9, 2016 Report Share Posted September 9, 2016 Now i see who got this into the language , secure transport. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
+Malamute Posted September 9, 2016 Report Share Posted September 9, 2016 Transport was done for Boji. They wanted distributorships but got transport. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Highlander Posted September 9, 2016 Report Share Posted September 9, 2016 I know. I laugh now... but I am seriously wondering who will be the first one to get busted for making BHO in their camper at the state park. My money is on phaqutoo. Complete idiot. right up his alley. Hahahaha..... No need for personal insults here. I have a high degree of respect for everything you post and appreciate all you do and have done for the MMJ movement in Michigan. But geeze, why insult Phaque? His posts have been pretty clear about the dangers of BHO extraction. Like most MMJ patients, he has issues and maybe sometimes comes across as combative. But he offers good advice. He's one of the few members here who has gone through the wringer more than once and is willing to share the experience, presumably to help others. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
medmanmike Posted September 9, 2016 Report Share Posted September 9, 2016 16 oz of brownies, x 2.5 = 2.5 pounds.if 1 oz bud = 16 oz of brownies, wouldn't 40 oz of brownies = 2.5 oz bud? 1 : 16 2.5 : 40 The factor is 2.5. 2.5 X 16 = 40. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
+Malamute Posted September 9, 2016 Report Share Posted September 9, 2016 No need for personal insults here. I have a high degree of respect for everything you post and appreciate all you do and have done for the MMJ movement in Michigan. But geeze, why insult Phaque? His posts have been pretty clear about the dangers of BHO extraction. Like most MMJ patients, he has issues and maybe sometimes comes across as combative. But he offers good advice. He's one of the few members here who has gone through the wringer more than once and is willing to share the experience, presumably to help others. its a joke. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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