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1 hour ago, glued gorilla said:

Having not had, this cross, I'm not going to argue the point anymore, but I still think there is possibilty of good product there. I do think there are plenty of modern crosses with great quality and yield though. Ice cream cake, kush mints, and Gg4 are a few that I have run. All are Connisuer quality, and able to produce 2+lb per light.

The only one on your list that I have tried is GG4. Put it this way; If I had a jar of GG4, a jar of SFV OG Kush, a jar of SFV Diesel, and a jar of original chem D, the jar of GG4 wouldn't get used. It would sit there until the others ran out. It's a decent strain but not all that like the SFV strains are. When you grow and are using the best anything less isn't worth anything at all to you. I mean I could sell it. But I wouldn't smoke or vape it. 

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Any time I run into a 'point of contention', for the sake of finding the truth rather than just thinking I'm right, I do some checks.

What I just did was to ask several patients who have had access to GG4 to give me a comparison to my SVF strains. 

They all said that they wouldn't ever smoke the GG4 if the had the SFV strains. It would sit there and rot or they would sell it if they could.

One said that a person wouldn't have any idea what they had was not as good if they had not tried the others. 

This is old news to me. Been around and around this block since '09. Wasted a lot of time popping seeds and trying other people's strains.  Now that the dispensaries carry most everything it's easier to prove.  Even the stuff they have that they say are SFV strains aren't as good as the real ones. I wonder how many growers have the originals? You definitely can't make as much money with the originals. The lie for money is that the new strains are just as good and you can get better production from them. That is a myth. 

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4 hours ago, Restorium2 said:

To each their own. The originals are great, but there is more out there. I refuse to live in a box!   Variety is the spice of life.

I have an original Diesel cut, and access to SFV, Ghost, and Tahoe OG cuts. Diesel and Tahoe are great and throw down weight as good as any! I still need variety. Also, having smoked many "Originals", there are plenty equal to the them.  There are unique flavor profiles in many of the originals that are hard to find in other strains, and if you are in love with that exact flavor. You may not like anything else. It does not mean, nothing else is good. I prefer sweeter strains with a bit of gas, and ice cream is probably my favorite for that. GG4 kicks my donkey, but it's flavor is not my preference, but I have a patient that will smoke nothing else.

It is fair to say that for you, nothing beats the old School OG cuts! But, the same is not true for everyone, and it is unfair to say that none of the modern crosses are any good!

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55 minutes ago, glued gorilla said:

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To each their own. The originals are great, but there is more out there. I refuse to live in a box!   Variety is the spice of life.

I have an original Diesel cut, and access to SFV, Ghost, and Tahoe OG cuts. Diesel and Tahoe are great and throw down weight as good as any! I still need variety. Also, having smoked many "Originals", there are plenty equal to the them.  There are unique flavor profiles in many of the originals that are hard to find in other strains, and if you are in love with that exact flavor. You may not like anything else. It does not mean, nothing else is good. I prefer sweeter strains with a bit of gas, and ice cream is probably my favorite for that. GG4 kicks my donkey, but it's flavor is not my preference, but I have a patient that will smoke nothing else.

It is fair to say that for you, nothing beats the old School OG cuts! But, the same is not true for everyone, and it is unfair to say that none of the modern crosses are any good!

I wasn't even counting my own opinion. 

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This discussion brings me to the realization that what I grow hasn't ever been about what I wanted, always what others wanted. 

These jars empty while others only get 'tried'. When you own the candy store you know what people like.

One thing about a really good strong strain like Original Diesel Headband from the San Fernando Valley, even if it comes in a little 'sub par' the effects are always there.

The weaker strains need to be 100% to even be acceptable.

I went from the 70's to the 90's only having Mexican for half the year most of the years. 

My standards are low. I'm not one of the spoiled ones who have to have this and that plus the other thing ....

Heck, I could probably be very happy with some decent brick and no cops breathing down my neck!

Life is funny like that, suffering makes you strong.

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On 8/1/2020 at 5:27 PM, Restorium2 said:

I wasn't even counting my own opinion. 

Everyone has their preference, you and your people clearly have theirs. I will agree to disagree. There are plenty of modern crosses, that are just as tasty and at least as potent as the "originals". That is my opinion, based on my experience. Yours seems to be that nothing beats the "originals", and that's just fine.

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13 hours ago, glued gorilla said:

Everyone has their preference, you and your people clearly have theirs. I will agree to disagree. There are plenty of modern crosses, that are just as tasty and at least as potent as the "originals". That is my opinion, based on my experience. Yours seems to be that nothing beats the "originals", and that's just fine.

The folks that bred the 'originals' had a whole different purpose.  That's the difference. The difference between breeding just for the quality of the effects as compared with now the breeders lean towards quantity and they will tell you that the 'taste' can make up for the lack of the originals' effects. It's all a trade off. The breeders of the originals moved cannabis is a direction and the newer breeders have taken it in a different direction to fit the needs of the industry, not the individuals. It's always a trade off so a change of 'intentions' changes everything.

You have to be able to see that the intentions changed right?

That the industry changed?

And in following that known thing, be unbiased and realize that we are best at fooling ourselves into thinking the effects stayed the same when production went up. We are always best at fooling ourselves .....

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On 7/31/2020 at 1:55 PM, BrianVegTops said:

When do you think the stretch will start? Still two weeks away?

From what I'm seeing outdoors, my plants that share a little genetic material with yours are stretching a little. That is showing me they got the 'signal'. I mark that as reference comparable to when you see the stretch after you switched your lights to 12/12. So I'm thinking that we are about a week into the flower cycle for the late bloomers. 

On 'sharing' genetic material. Maybe you will get super lucky and see the stronger effects of some of those excellent genes deep down under that laundry list of BS the breeders piled on. Like seeing some abs after you burned all the fat off your belly. You have got some muscle there under that laundry!

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