Question On Shocking

[ferris]

Hey i got a question that maybe someone can answer me. I am wondering about shocking one of my "the purps" plant to produce seeds, the seeds where so expensive. Now i got three girls about to start bloom, they have a seven week bloom. Now i heard that i can isolate one lower branch on one plant and spray it with a small amount of water with crushed asprin and only that branch would seed. That it had to be a lower branch so the whole plant will not be affected. And that the other two girls it the same grow space wouldnt be affected has anyone heard of this.Or have any ideas keep in mind i dont want all my girls to go to seed.

[Snow White]

I don't have an answer about seed production, but do you absolutely want/need seeds? If you do, that's cool, but if all you want to do is preserve your genetics, you could just take clones?

[ferris]

well i defently am but the issue is with the twelve plant limit in michigan and two other beutiful stands sitting on the shelf, white widow, and blueberry. I would like to be able to put this strand on the shelf when i bring the others out.

[Nemosity]

I have heard, and used crush aspirin to help promote root growth on clones. But I have never heard anything about using it on the lower branches for seeds. Is the acid supposed to stress the plants branch into a pseudo herm? Interested to hear more, as the only way I know of to stress a plant into this condition for the purpose of having seeds is light stressing.

[ferris]

As you said you use asprin on the plants most sensitive part the roots and it helps it i cant see why i can try it out. But crap i am really aftaid of hurting one of my girl they r doing so well. I am haveing difficulty downloading photos.

[Grow Thread]

I am haveing difficulty downloading photos.

 

try this

 

http://www.michiganmedicalmarijuana.org/tutorials/t-31-uploading-pictures-for-posting-on-mmma20/

[Grow Thread]

Why don't you just use STS? I gave up the formula in one of these threads somewhere. Maybe one of the Mods can pin it.

 

i am looking for it now. any idea where it may be??

[Grow Thread]

here is something to chew on until i find indica's post:

 

 

The following is a safe, inexpensive, and successful method for reversing the sex of female cannabis plants. Individual plant responses may vary based upon strain, but I can verify that this process is fully effective in stimulating profuse staminate flower production.

 

This process can be used to:

A: create new feminized seeds from solitary prize mothers that you currently have

B: create interesting feminized-seed hybrids from different prize strains that you currently have

C: create feminized seeds for optimum outdoor use

D: accelerate the "interview" phase of cultivation, in searching for interesting new clone-mothers

E: reduce total plant numbers- great for medical users with severe plant number restrictions

F: increase variety, by helping to create stable feminized seedlines to be used as an alternative to clones

 

At the bottom of this post are some specific details about the chemicals used, their safety, their cost, and where to get them.

 

It is important to educate yourself about cannabis breeding theory and technique prior to using a method like this one. Here is a link to Robert Clarke's "Marijuana Botany", which is a very good reference.

 

"Marijuana Botany" by Robert Connell Clarke

(unfortunately missing the appendices)

 

It is also important to use basic safety precautions when mixing and handling these chemicals, so read the safety data links provided. The risk is similar to mixing and handling chemical fertilizers, and similar handling procedures are sufficient.

 

Remember: nothing will ever replace good genetics, and some of your bounty should always go back towards the professional cannabis breeders out there... the ones who have worked for many generations to come up with their true-breeding F1 masterpieces. Support professional breeders by buying their seeds. Also, order from Heaven's Stairway. Not that they need a plug from me, but they are very professional and provide very fast service worldwide.

 

Preparation of STS:

First, a stock solution is made. It consists of two parts (A and that are initially mixed separately, then blended together. Part A is ALWAYS mixed into part B while stirring rapidly. Use distilled water; tap water may cause precipitates to form.

 

Wear gloves while mixing and using these chemicals, and mix and use in a properly ventilated area. A mask will prevent the breathing of any dust, which is caustic. STS is colorless and odorless, and poses minimal health risks if used as described here. (See material safety data sheet links below). Note that silver nitrate and STS can cause brown stains upon drying, so spray over newspaper and avoid spilling.

 

Part A: .5 gram silver nitrate stirred into 500ml distilled water

Part B: 2.5 grams sodium thiosulfate (anhydrous) stirred into 500ml distilled water

 

The silver nitrate dissolves within 15 seconds. The sodium thiosulfate takes 30-45 seconds to dissolve.

 

The silver nitrate solution (A) is then mixed into the sodium thiosulfate solution ( while stirring rapidly. The resulting blend is stock silver thiosulfate solution (STS).

 

This stock solution is then diluted at a ratio of 1:9 to make a working solution. For example, 100ml of stock STS is added to 900ml of distilled water. This is then sprayed on select female plants.

 

Both the stock STS and the working solution should be refrigerated after use, as well as the powdered chemicals, to avoid activity loss. Excess working solution can be safely poured down the drain after use (with ample running water) with negligible environmental impact. It's pretty cheap.

 

Each liter of stock STS will make ten 1-liter batches of working solution of STS. With the minimum amount of base chemicals ordered from Photographer's Formulary (see link below), this means that each 1-liter bottle of working solution STS costs less than 9 cents, and can treat 15-20 mid-sized plants. That's 200 1-liter batches of STS for $18. Note that the distilled water costs far more than the chemicals.

 

Application:

The STS working solution is sprayed on select female plants until runoff. Do the spraying over newspaper in a separate area from the flower room. You probably won't smell anything, but ventilate anyway. You now have what I call a "F>M plant"; a female plant that will produce male flowers.

 

After the F>M plant dries move it into 12/12 immediately. This is usually done three to four weeks prior to the date that the target (to be pollinated) plants will be ready to pollinate. Response times may vary slightly depending upon the strain. More specific times can be determined by trial with your own individual strains. In my trials it took 26 days for the first pollen. 30-35 days seems optimum for planning purposes.

 

So, assuming that a target plant needs 3-4 weeks to produce fully mature seeds, a strain that takes 8 weeks to mature should be moved into flower at about the same time as the female>male plant. A target plant that finishes flowering in 6 weeks needs to be moved into flower later (10 days or so) so that it doesn't finish before the seeds can fully mature.

 

A seeded individual branch can be left to mature on a plant for a bit longer, while harvesting the other seedless buds if they finish first. Just leave enough leaves on for the plant for it to stay healthy.

 

Effects:

Within days I noticed a yellowing of the leaves on the F>M plants. This effect persisted for two weeks or so; after this they became green again, except for a few of the larger fans. The plants otherwise seemed healthy. No burning was observed. Growth stopped dead for the first ten days, and then resumed slowly. No stretch was ever seen. After two weeks the F>M plants were obviously forming male flower clusters. Not just a few clusters of balls, but complete male flower tops. One plant still formed some pistillate flowers, but overall it was predominantly male.

 

It is strange indeed to see an old girlfriend that you know like the back of your hand go through a sex change. I'll admit that things were awkward between us at first.

 

When the F>M plants look like they may soon open and release pollen, ( 3-1/2 to 4 weeks) move them from the main flower room into another unventilated room or closet with lighting on a 12/12 timer. Don't worry too much about watts per square foot; it will only be temporary.

 

When the pollen flies, move your target plants into the closet and pollinate.

 

A more controlled approach is to isolate the F>M plants in a third remote closet (no light is necessary in this one, as they are releasing pollen now and are nearly finished anyway). In this remote other closet the pollen is very carefully collected in a plastic produce bag or newspaper sleeve and then brought back to the lighted closet, where the target plants are now located. If this is done, be careful to not mix pollen types by letting the F>Ms dust each other. Avoid movement, or use yet another closet.

 

Take special care to not let pollen gather on the outside of this bag- a static charge is sometimes present. Drop small open clusters of blooms inside and then close the bag at the mouth and shake. Important: next, step outside and slowly release the excess air from the bag, collapsing it completely, so that pollen doesn't get released accidently. Point downwind; don't let it get on your hands or clothes.

 

This collapsed pollinated bag is now very carefully slipped over only one branch and is then tied off tightly at the mouth around the branch stem with a twist tie or tape, sealing the pollen inside. Let the bag inflate slightly with air again before sealing it off, so the branch can breathe. This technique keeps the entire plant from seeding. Agitate the bag a bit after tying it off to distribute the pollen. Don't forget to label the branch so you know which seeds are which. Other branches on this same plant can be hit with different pollen sources.

 

If no lighted closet is available, the plant can be moved back into the main room, but- be very carefulollen is sneaky. After 4-5 days, the bag is gently removed and the plant completes it's flowering cycle.

 

Yet another method has worked well for me. I position the target plants in a non-ventilated lighted closet, and then I collect pollen on a piece of mirror or glass. This is then carefully applied to the pistils of one pre-labeled branch by using a very fine watercolor paintbrush. Care is taken to not agitate the branch or the pollen. No sneezing. The plant needs to be in place first; moving it after pollination can shake pollen free and blow this technique.

 

Regardless of technique, at completion you will have feminized seeds. Let them dry for 2-4 weeks.

 

About the chemicals:

Silver nitrate is a white crystalline light-sensitive chemical that is commonly used in photography. It is also used in babies' eyes at birth to prevent blindness. It can cause mild skin irritation, and it stains brown. Avoid breathing. I didn't notice any smell or fumes, but ventilation is recommended. Be sure to wash the spray bottle well before you use it elsewhere; better yet: devote a bottle to STS use. A half gram is a surprisingly small amount; it would fit inside a gel capsule.